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You've been on the Putin bandwagon since 2016.

Pete, Biden, Amy, and Bloomberg are not even close to being progressives no matter what they call themselves. Bernie, liz, and Steyer (mostly) are progressives.

The debate and the candidates were a joke. Everything was chaotic, no moderation at all. People raising their hands and such? Get out of here with that stuff, LOL!

Next debate don't even have an audience.

They most certainly are. You're just having a problem confusing the words progressive with extremist.

bloomberg is not a progressive.

I agree. That one slipped by me.

Bernie 2020! Feel the Bern!

From Elizabeth Warren's website:

https://facts.elizabethwarren.com/the-best-president-money-cant-buy/

Elizabeth rejects big money’s influence on our political system: she’s not taking a dime of PAC money in this campaign. She’s not taking a single check from a federal lobbyist. She’s not sucking up to billionaires to fund a Super PAC. She’s not giving wealthy donors special access. And she challenges every other candidate who asks for your vote in this primary to say exactly the same thing.

Elizabeth rejects the help of Super PACs and would disavow any Super PAC formed to support her in the Democratic primary. We’ve got to overturn Citizens United because our democracy is not for sale. In the meantime, Democrats should show some moral backbone by refusing their own Super PACs in the 2020 primary.


I guess maybe she had just hit the peace pipe and forget her vows and promises...

Super PAC backing Warren makes $9 million Super Tuesday ad buy
The shadowy group has committed over $14 million to try to buoy Warren’s candidacy.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/02/27/warren-super-tuesday-ad-118055

You got a lot of damn gall. Trump is a russian puppet and Putin's girl.

You're going to give comrade sanders, wet dreams.

Don't let facts get in your way.

Putin: I wanted Trump to win the election

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/07/16/putin-trump-win-election-2016-722486

That must be facts lite. A third less facts than your average facts.

As reported, he said he wanted both Trump and Hillary at one time or another. regardless, that article has nothing at all to do with what his preferences are today. Not that anyone really cares what putin wants, other than putin and of course comrade sanders.

So Putin supports Trump and Bernie is a communist?

Obviously your side still can't figure out the difference between a communist and a socialist. They can't figure out the difference between a Democratic socialist and a socialist government.

Of course if they bothered to learn the difference it would ruin 90% of the BS they're spreading.

According to your ilk, every Democratically elected government in Europe is a socialist government. But that's always been the kind of BS you guys say any time someone actually wants to help the American people instead of big business and the wealthy.

Seems to go with his history of being a Republican lite, Democrat lite, Christian lite, common sense lite.

South Carolina Closing Poll Stations Without Notice

CHARLESTON, S.C. — The “First in the South” Democratic primary will not have all of its precinct voting locations open on February 29. Despite the fact that South Carolina has an open primary and any registered voter can participate, the biggest county in the state has closed one-third of its polling locations.

Greenville County closed down 52 precincts; most of those precincts will be consolidated and some will be shifted into temporary locations, but instead of 151 polling locations, Greenville County will have only 118. Across the state, 131 precinct polling places will be relocated.

Consolidating polling stations is a regular occurrence in South Carolina, and Greenville has already planned to do it for the first four elections of this year. “We did that for January 7th, for January 21st, we did it for tomorrow’s election on the 29th and for a sheriff’s election on March 10,” County Executive Conway Belangia told the Prospect. “All of those [elections] being countywide.”

This precinct consolidation for the highest-profile 2020 election in South Carolina has not been publicized, however. Instead, the new voting location for residents is updated on the South Carolina Election Commission website. “They don’t tell people what’s been closed. They’ll tell you where to go,” said Brett Bursey, executive director of the South Carolina Progressive Network. Regular registered voters are unlikely to go online to confirm their polling location before every election.

Belangia told the Prospect that the change was made because the 52 original locations were in schools, and they couldn’t host voters while the school year was in session.

The Greenville County Democratic Party chair told the Progressive Network that the county kept the high number of relocated stations in place for the primary, so they wouldn’t confuse people who adjusted to the changes for the first two elections this year.

Such decisions add to voter confusion in a state that already has many nuanced voter laws. The sudden changes can be undertaken because changes to the election system no longer have to be pre-approved by the U.S. Department of Justice. In the 1965 Voting Rights Act, Section 5 of the legislation prevented states with histories of voter suppression and intimidation from making any logistical changes with elections before DOJ could review them for possible discrimination or unnecessary impediment.

In 2013, the Supreme Court struck down the “pre-clearance” requirement, saying it was no longer necessary, because the discrimination that used to occur in voting laws no longer occurred. Organizers and activists in South Carolina say otherwise.

“Voters in South Carolina still, even as of this very moment, are faced with voter suppression and disenfranchisement,” said Dr. Brenda C. Williams, CEO of the non-profit The Family Unit in Sumter, South Carolina. “You might ask how is that in the year 2020? How is that after the Voting Rights Act of 1965? How is that after Shelby County v. Holder’s Supreme Court decision that said that racism is over, voter suppression is over, voter disenfranchisement is over?” Williams mused.

Consolidated polling stations can cause long lines and multiply the effect of any election-related hiccups, such as technology problems or short staffing. Belangia said he hasn’t made any staffing increases at the polls, despite the heightened attention on South Carolina’s primary.

“Our staffing is fine for what we’ve got going on in the locations, provided we don’t have any 50 percent turnout of registered voters we ought to be good,” Belangia said. He added that his county doesn’t expect more than 20 percent of participation from registered voters tomorrow.

The South Carolina Progressive Network will be surveying people outside of consolidated precinct stations on Election Day to gauge how this change affects voters, in addition to rapid response available through the voter hotline and the election monitoring teams from the ACLU and the Legal Defense Fund.

https://prospect.org/api/amp/politics/south-carolina-closing-poll-stations-without-notice/

all I heard was tearing each other down and "we gotta beat Trump". I watch for entertainment purposes, they are basically useless for anything else.

They spend more time attacking the one towards the back in the race instead of the frontrunner.

Maybe. Besides Delaware it will probably be the only other state he wins in.

He'll win some in the deep south, red states.

Maybe. We’ll see. I think he’s been done since trump asked the Ukraine to investigate him and his son. A win for trump. And now Sen. Graham is in love again.

Biden declared the winner on MSNBC and CNN the second polls closed with zero number reported in SC. ??? I'd at least like to see the numbers. Especially since Biden has never won a presidential primary.

Fox news and USA Today are also calling a W for Biden.

super Tuesday just got a hell of a lot more interesting.

Bernie slips while Biden rises!

America is once again safe for Democracy!

Biden has 45.4% of nothing yet.

Way to go Joe!

Swish, can you tell me why the southern black vote keeps voting for the status quo neocons? I mean Hillary with her super predator crap and now Biden running on "Barrack and Me"? They gave Biden his first primary win in three presidential runs! But I expected this win for Biden after the polls the last couple days showed him surging.

Congrats Joe, you were a good VP and a generally decent and good man.

On to Super Tuesday.

i dunno how many times we've been over this, but ok.

the criminal justice system and equal rights, in general, is the ONLY reason the democrats have an iron fist on the black vote, specifically southern blacks.

with all the freaking barriers that have been placed in front of us since the end of slavery, why in god's name would the majority vote for a socialist, a guy who is trying to place a cap on black success?

now, your counter will be "hes not trying to put a cap on black success", but he is. when he comes out here trashing the wealthy left and right, talking about no more billionaires, you honestly think that nonsense flies with southern black americans?

i dont know how many times i have to explain it to you. if it wasnt for the dems supporting criminal justice reform and equal rights, the republican party would have an iron fist in this country. because i can most certainly make - and have - a credible argument that blacks and latino's are even more conservative than their white counterparts.

we HATE the government, overall. so why would we vote for a guy who will expand it like crazy? all these feel good laws you and Rocket support, like extreme gun measures and red flag laws and all this nosense.

guess what communities they end up effecting the most? OURS. you guys push these gun control measures and such so that your lily white suburbs and schools dont get shot up, meanwhile the inner city and rural black communities that dont have such a problem in our schools end up getting screwed the most.

i dunno if 40 remembers posting this, but he's absolutely right when he said harsh gun control measures keeps black communities from protecting ourselves.

i can go on and on and on with regards to why bernie is gonna struggle with southern ANYBODY, not just blacks.

dont be surprised if Steyer ends up polling close to Sanders with southern blacks. i dunno if it will happen, but its most certainly a possibility.

That is a very interesting post about black voters. As a Christian I have quite a few black friends I attend church with and work with. We always seem to share quite a few values like our faith in God, pro life, family values, and views on the 2nd amendment. I never really understood why some leaned Democrat when the values seem to lean conservative.

I don't want to quote your entire post, but I agree w/your takes to OCD's question.

I live in SC and as you know, I taught in a school that was predominantly black. My principle was black. I had AP's that were black. There were multiple black teachers. So, I had the opportunity to talk to a lot of folks. From administrative people all the way down to those who were unemployed.

So, I want to add on to your explanation. A lot of these people are very religious. The ones that are diligent about voting are [and this is important] have a strong belief in working hard and that will lead to greater rewards. Try telling them that they should work harder to support those that don't work. LOL

Like anywhere else, there are idiot folks of all races down here. That includes blacks. However, as a whole.....southern blacks are such lovely people. Their folksy. They are as true as the day is long. They are honest folks who respect old-fashioned values. They have big hearts and are very open. They'll adopt you as one of their own if they can tell you are sincere [this is actually true of blacks in every part of the country I have lived in.]

Socialism in general and Bernie in particular doesn't ring true to most of these folks. I actually think Steyer does. so you could be right. I can tell you one thing..........they loved Bill Clinton. That's why they voted for Hillary. They made great strides when Bill was in office. They might chuckle about the stories about things like the cigar, but they had some meaningful economic gains while Clinton was in office.

I know that my family's well-being is important to me. It ain't just me. It's the fam. And, I completely understand --and even support--why black folk feel the way they do, especially here in the south.

this country as a whole is center-right. and democrats are mainly moderates. there are more further left voters than normal, but the moderates still outnumber the AOC types.

we have to also remember that these definitions academia uses is fluid. Reagan gave illegals amnesty and talked about affordable access to healthcare, as did Bush Sr.

they would be called RINOs today. or just straight up Dems.

i dunno if you listen to rap music, but in damn near every song there is a repeated value always stated.

hustle, grind, push.

Mike Jones - if you dont work you dont eat, you dont grind you dont shine. always about the barriers our communities have to go through in order to JUST break even.

and thats true. we have to work so much harder just to get to ground zero, never mind advance. that crap sucks, and you end up with a good amount of people who just throw their hands up and say "Screw it".

we have ALWAYS been about busting our ass to get where we need to, just like any other race. you are right that there's assholes in every demographic.

but one thing ive always despised about conservatives is how they always label us moochers and takers and such without taking into account history. oh we just vote for dems cause we want hand outs, like some have repeatedly stated on this board.

no, we need the dems to remove the barriers (criminal justice system, biased in housing) that are in front of us for no freaking reason other than hate.

but thats the thing. these white allies of ours (leftist) have the best intentions, but they keep trying to act like SAVIORS.

we dont want saviors. we already see what "saving" looks like. we just want aliies. we want to actually be treated equal.

other than that, the government needs to GET THE HELL OUT OF OUR WAY. we can figure everything else out just fine.

This could be such a deep and great conversation, especially this part:



I still contend that many of the whites who are in power use that tactic to hold blacks down.

The beauty of education is that we can spread the truth to all sorts of folks and they can learn how to better empower themselves.

Bro, you wouldn't believe how many successful blacks there are down here. A lot of blacks are impoverished, especially in the rural areas, but there are a ton of blacks in very important positions.

Even most of the poor folk who I talked to in parent/teacher meetings that were both formal, but mostly informal...........they always talked about work ethic and living a good life. They hate the thug stuff. They hate the free-loading label.

These folks are hard-working, moral, mostly religious, citizens who are great people. I truly mean that and I can't even do it justice.

I was born poor and my ancestors were new to the country. I can relate to how these people feel. I've had conversations w/good families that just couldn't afford to do certain things for the kids and the school's demands. Their kids were respectful. The parents were honest. Believe me, some of us teachers would make things "work" so the kids could participate. The parents would come in and help in other ways.

Hell bro............you would probably like it down here. There are some really good people here.

it could be, but im weary of having that sort of convo on here. i dont mind the south, but i was there as a military brat in hinesville, georgia, and then crap ass lawton, oklahoma as a soldier (ft. sill). needless to say my experiences in the south werent all that great, especially oklahoma.

but back to the primaries.

with 88% in, Biden got 48% of the vote, followed by Bernie with 20%. Biden got 64% of black voters, and bernie got 15%.

Steyer, who just dropped out, got 13% of the black vote.

keep an eye out for Georgia march 24th. atlanta is damn near all black and liberal as hell. its Hollywood south now. it will be interesting to see how Bernie polls there with the black vote.

and here are the states that vote on super tuesday:

Alabama
Arkansas
California
Colorado
Maine
Massachusetts
Minnesota
North Carolina
Oklahoma
Tennessee
Texas
Utah
Vermont
Virginia

___________

gonna be an interesting race.

What do you mean how many times? I think this is the first time I've heard this explanation...

But hey, thanks for the answer. I think I can see what you are saying. But I do have issues with a couple things you said.

First, southern black voters are in no way the majority. But if you are saying the center left/ right more conservative is the majority then I can see where you get that. But you are wrong, it doesn't matter what they call themselves if they support progressive policies.

Majority of Americans support progressive policies such as higher minimum wage, free college

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/03/27/majority...ee-college.html

Second, progressives are not trying to cap anyone's success regardless of color. What they are trying to do is reduce and balance inequalities, which is good for POC as a community. But I agree if you are a billionaire it sounds like they are out to erase you. Except those taxes are graduated and only kick in when you reach the 'disgusting greed' level of income. The first 20 million or so does't get the wealth tax. All money over that beginning amount gets a graduated level. So the rich will still be very rich. And the taxes they are talking about ARE LESS than they were in the 50's when America's economy and middle class boomed. This article does a good job of explaining how these wealth taxes are not the boogeymen they are made out to be. What they are is a check and balance that makes the rich pay the same rates as everyone else and not 0-15% they get away with today. If equal taxation is capping black America, then after the last 50 years the black community should be sitting on mountains of big fat stacks. How's that working for them? Read this:

https://slate.com/business/2017/08/the-history-of-tax-rates-for-the-rich.html

And FYI, I want common sense gun regulation but also strongly support gun ownership for hunting and home protection. So don't lump me into the all out bans and taking guns away crowd.

As for my "lily white" suburb, it sure ain't Maybery bro, the drug crimes are everywhere and rednecks/hillbillies like their guns too. But if your "dark chocolate" communities want to keep the gun violence in America for fear of new laws and the consequences they might bring to your communities... THAT IS A DIFFERENT ISSUE! Systemic racism in law enforcement, which Bernie wants to aggressively address and fix. But don't let facts get in the way of putting that lily white label on all white people's lives. Calling a black community "dark chocolate" was as rude as I was going to go just to let you know that crap ain't how friends talk to each other.

I've listened to you and Pit go back and forth the last couple weeks on the progressive agenda a lot. One thread you guys support and defend the policies, the next you are acting like republicans calling it socialist, extremist, radical... I think doing nothing and ending up with Trump or going back to what hasn't worked for 50 years is the extremist and radical stance. IMHO 'conservative' has little to do with being conservative and more to do with resisting any and all change out of fear of possibly making things worse. If you had a crystal ball that let you look into possible futures and you could see that Bernie's plan worked out great for America, you would have no issue backing them. If they worked out bad, you would fight them. But you don't have that crystal ball, so all you got is fear of trying when you know something needs to change. And no matter what happens, you are all going to have a seat at the table going forward with Bernie or whoever trying to get their policies implemented. So the fear is irrational IMHO. And not doing something aggressive to fix the economy, system, and government to function better for all is just insane.

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you asked me to specifically talk on southern blacks, and then you counter with some broad ass link from cnbc about the majority of americans?

dont ask me to comment on a specific demographic then tell me im wrong by moving the goal post bro.

try again, then maybe ill actually respond to the rest of your post.

You said why would the majority vote for a socialist that wanted to put a cap on success... Black southerners are not the majority, so I didn't know what you were saying. Now If you meant the majority of southern blacks I get it... But I still don't see how that is capping anyone. They got a whole lot of billionaires? A history of creating billionaires? What cap are you talking about? Some day when their ship comes in? smh

The rest of my reply applies.

yes, you asked me about the southern blacks, and my response implied we was still talking about southern blacks.

Even day knew what i was talking about. Vers did too. you're literally the only one confused here.

and just for that, im going to completely wreck your stupid ass post tomorrow morning. good night.