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J/c people padding their stats to impress the box score scouters, I see.
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Schobert was not a steal. Schobert is a backup LB on a good team. He only starts on the Browns Some of your posts sound like you are trolling. I hope that isn't true. Kinda sounds like Mac.
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As what the 7th injury/player declined invite alternate?
If anyone thinks Schobert is a good player, i would have to conclude you are blind or lack the intelligence to evaluate talent
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If Browns players are so good why havent they had a winning season since 2007. If trolling is disagreeing with your opinion or stating facts then i guess that makes me a troll in Browns fans delusional assessments
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Im not trolling. Sorry u cant handle my opinion
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Schobert was such a beast the Browns gave up 144.7 yards rushing per game good for 30th out of 32 teams
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Schobert was not a steal. Schobert is a backup LB on a good team. He only starts on the Browns Some of your posts sound like you are trolling. I hope that isn't true. Kinda sounds like Mac. .
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If you think for a moment that trying to insult me proves your point; think again.
You are a prime example of know it all; no nothing.
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How about we wait and see. Not really fair to trash a guy who has not even made a move yet.
I'm not trashing the guy. I don't know him. I'm postulating the current regime has as much chance of getting it right as the last 10-15 regimes, or whatever it is since the return. I'm aware it's "Hope Season", so carry on.
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For me it is not any season.
I can understand your negativity. However, past performance is not a forecast for future performance.
If this new regime fails then I am sure you will not be alone in calling them out.
IMO it is premature to do that now given they have had no chance to prove anything one way or the other.
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Its nearing Isle of Optimism time for me ....  .... were in the re-decorating process ... taking down the statues of KJ and taking down the FREDDIE IS READY slogans and replacing them with Andy and Kev’s garb ... The talents still there and hopefully these guys upgrade it ... we have a decent draft slot and plenty of cash ... GOOD TIMES ARE JUST AROUND THE CORNER ... for reals this time ... *L* ,..
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What is Freddie getting Ready for, Diam? :-p
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Welcome back diam  .... haha but really, I don’t doubt the talent. But I think Baker’s progress MUST take place ASAP or else it’s not going to work
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Welcome back diam .... haha but really, I don’t doubt the talent. But I think Baker’s progress MUST take place ASAP or else it’s not going to work I don't know how much was baker's talent not progressing, or the coaching staff putting baker (and the team) in bad spots. I think simply the coaching change will pay dividends.
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The new regime isn't really new, bone. Depo and Berry were both here for the 1 and 31 fiasco and both have quite a bit of power/influence.
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What is Freddie getting Ready for, Diam? :-p
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Yeah, that certainly could be the case. We’ll find out!
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Yes they were there.
But the roles and today's combination which include Stefanski are different.
I don't have a problem with anyone feeling negative about all that has gone before.
However, I do believe the current regime as it stands today deserves the right to be judged upon their own merits or failures.
Both Berry and Depo have now added additional experience.
Experience is a teacher when it lands on a open mind.
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I certainly am not trying to challenge how you perceive this regime. I expect the same courtesy.
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What is Freddie getting Ready for, Diam? :-p He no longer wears orange and brown so who cares ..
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The new regime isn't really new, bone. Depo and Berry were both here for the 1 and 31 fiasco and both have quite a bit of power/influence. They both have quite a bit of power and influence now. How much they had then is debatable. I don't think Hue was the choice of coach for either of them. I do think Sashi's lack of scouting background hurt us. I think he relied too much on coaches who weren't really scouts either. Hue didn't like Wentz at 2, so Sashi took the best offer to trade back. Hue wanted a safety more than he wanted Watson, so Sashi didn't take Watson. I'm guessing then Sashi went to Williams for his thoughts on the defensive players. I don't know if Hue thought Watson would be there later like an Andy Dalton but on the clock he wanted the safety over the QB. Sashi wasn't an ace player evaluator. He listened to the alleged QB guru he was paired with (against his will) when it came to QBs. Hue may have liked those players, but he didn't like them enough when the team was on the clock with the opportunity to take them to tell Sashi to pick them. I think inexperienced guys not having a good feel for when players would go was a factor in our draft results during Sashi's time. I think they thought they could get certain guys later. I still think RGIII's injury was the straw that broke the camel's back. The plan of a deep ball oriented offense doesn't work so well without a good deep ball thrower.
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No problem.
Because I don't have any perception of this regime. A total blank sheet of paper.
I will wait and see.
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6-10, 7-8-1, 1-15, 0-16. I dont see 1 winning record in there. Sorry you cant handle the truth and facts
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Most Browns fans get so defensive when anyone criticizes their team. They havent gone 32-88-1 under Haslam because they have great talent, coaching or players, front office people or ownership.
Schobert, like Shelton and CamCakes are backups on good teams. Schobert couldnt start for any team that made the playoffs the last 4 years.
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Heres the great players on the Browns. Chubb, OBJ and Landry. 3 players that is it
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Most Browns fans get so defensive when anyone criticizes their team. They havent gone 32-88-1 under Haslam because they have great talent, coaching or players, front office people or ownership.
Schobert, like Shelton and CamCakes are backups on good teams. Schobert couldnt start for any team that made the playoffs the last 4 years. Maybe before posting u oughta recite your sig 10 times cause your posts certainly don’t reflect your sig ... just sayin ...
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j/c: This board used to be pretty strict about not spreading misinformation, rumors, and lies. The rise of social media has made things impossible to enforce, so I understand why things are let go. But, in regards to Watson and why the Browns didn't draft him, let's take a look at Watson's own words to help decide if it was Hue or the FO who didn't want to draft him. "Correct,'' he said. "Me and Hue during the draft process communicated, they were a team that was big on me, brought me in, worked me out, met with me, phone calls throughout the weeks and building a relationship, building a friendship.
"I didn't know where I was going to go, but at the end of the day, God put me here with Houston and Hue texted me that morning and just said, 'Be ready, anything can happen.' They took the picks they wanted to take and I belong with this situation and this organization, but the relationship and friendship will always continue.''
Watson threw three more touchdown passes against the Browns and became the first rookie QB in modern NFL history with at least three TD passes in three straight games. He acknowledged it "was a possibility" he could end up in Cleveland.
"I knew they had two first-round picks and anything can happen, so I just kept an open mind, didn't want to get my hopes up too big and enjoyed it, had fun with it, it was a lifetime dream and it ended up being a great night,'' he said.
Jackson talked to Watson before and after the game, one in which the quarterback threw a pick-six by Jason McCourty and the three touchdowns on the way to a 103.4 rating.
"Yeah, he came up to me before the game pregame and said 'best of luck,' he was proud of me and just keep it going,'' he said. "And then after the game he pretty much said 'Great job, keep leading this team and best of luck.'
"Like I said before, our relationship, we text here and there, checking up on each other, but we're both busy and he's a great guy. I respect him and all the things he does.''
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I don't need your sorrow.
What has that have to do with the evaluation of Joe Schobert? Given that the record of a team is just that.
A "team record".
Stick to the topic.
Now that Schobert is a FA. Let's see what kind of contract he gets.
Contract in case you are unaware equates to "fair market value."
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Coach Hue Jackson tells NFL Network he wanted Browns to draft Ohio State safety Malik Hooker at No. 12 before trade down
The Browns faced a fascinating decision when they were on the clock with their second pick of the first round, No. 12 overall, Thursday night during the NFL Draft.
They could have traded with the Houston Texans to move down from No. 12 to No. 25 in exchange for Houston's 2018 first-round pick, or they could have stayed put and selected one of several big-name players who were available.
Of course, head of football operations Sashi Brown chose the trade.
Still, this is interesting: Coach Hue Jackson told NFL Network's Michael Silver which player he wanted the Browns to draft if they had stayed at No. 12. It was Ohio State safety Malik Hooker, who eventually went to the Indianapolis Colts at No. 15.
Seems pretty straightforward. On the other hand, Hue's text can be interpreted a lot of ways.
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"Correct,'' he said. "Me and Hue during the draft process communicated, they were a team that was big on me, brought me in, worked me out, met with me, phone calls throughout the weeks and building a relationship, building a friendship.
"I didn't know where I was going to go, but at the end of the day, God put me here with Houston and Hue texted me that morning and just said, 'Be ready, anything can happen.' They took the picks they wanted to take and I belong with this situation and this organization, but the relationship and friendship will always continue.''
Watson threw three more touchdown passes against the Browns and became the first rookie QB in modern NFL history with at least three TD passes in three straight games. He acknowledged it "was a possibility" he could end up in Cleveland.
"I knew they had two first-round picks and anything can happen, so I just kept an open mind, didn't want to get my hopes up too big and enjoyed it, had fun with it, it was a lifetime dream and it ended up being a great night,'' he said.
Jackson talked to Watson before and after the game, one in which the quarterback threw a pick-six by Jason McCourty and the three touchdowns on the way to a 103.4 rating.
"Yeah, he came up to me before the game pregame and said 'best of luck,' he was proud of me and just keep it going,'' he said. "And then after the game he pretty much said 'Great job, keep leading this team and best of luck.'
"Like I said before, our relationship, we text here and there, checking up on each other, but we're both busy and he's a great guy. I respect him and all the things he does.'' Also, the that morning part is interesting to me. The draft didn't start until 8 pm. Hue had allegedly been going hard on Myles at 1. This seems to support my Hue expected Watson to fall theory as much as anything. Some of that may be me reading into it what I want to see. Your interpretation seems to be the same, though. Conjecture. Hue liked and supported Watson. Doesn't necessarily show his wanting to draft him at a certain spot.
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Most Browns fans get so defensive when anyone criticizes their team. Wording is everything. Their meaning someone elses. We don't have a problem with other teams fans being on the board (see sk8rmom), but when your simply going to troll, you will find that you might not like where you are. I would advise to keep smack in the shack. Read the rules, contribute, or I assure you, the refs will seek you out.
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This story keeps coming up, and the picture I always get in my head (FWIW) is Kevin Costner in Draft Day when he's talking to all the soon-to-be draftees right up to the draft. "Enjoy your draft, you only get drafted once" or something like that. Basically just being nice, friendly/professional.
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For me it is not any season.
I can understand your negativity. However, past performance is not a forecast for future performance.
If this new regime fails then I am sure you will not be alone in calling them out.
IMO it is premature to do that now given they have had no chance to prove anything one way or the other.
Equally it is premature to assume anything has changed other than we have yet another new regime. And there is no reason to believe this regime will succeed where so many have failed other than that they are new. Beyond that, they are simply the new flavor with little to no experience at their current positions. They are likely in over their heads, without the luxury of knowing it yet. If they succeed, I will be as happy as any Browns fan. If they don’t, I won’t be surprised, or even disappointed. They’re being handed a nearly impossible task and there are no magic beans. I applaud Hope Season, because for a short period of time there is hope and conversations about trades and draft picks and free agents still have merit. However, Hope Season is usually over in a matter of weeks once the season starts. We’ll see if that changes this year. So it’s not negativity you’re seeing. It’s pragmatism.
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First thought was, "alright, don't have to worry about the Panthers going LT." Next thought, "dang it, now I have to worry about the Chargers going LT."
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Welcome back diam .... haha but really, I don’t doubt the talent. But I think Baker’s progress MUST take place ASAP or else it’s not going to work I don't know how much was baker's talent not progressing, or the coaching staff putting baker (and the team) in bad spots. I think simply the coaching change will pay dividends. I think so. Everything points to Stefanski be a QB friendly coach and putting them in to good positions. It's a big year for Baker. He had his big rookie year, the for some excusable reasons didn't work as hard, and found out that doesn't work. Off season isn't 6 months of fun in the sun. It's maybe a month after the season and a week or two before camp opens. Other than that, it's training hard 2-3-4 hours a day 6 days a week. Maybe 2 of those days are a 8 mile 2 hour walk/ jog. As a QB, he doesn't need to lift a lot. Lighter weights, a few more reps. Baker. You want faster feet and drop a few lbs? Jump rope for 20 minutes, 5 minutes at a time with a 3 minute rest between. Sometimes the simple things are what works. Doing the workout provided is no easy feat. Jumping rope is as old as the hills, and there is a reason for that. All you need is some rope. It isn't easy.
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