“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
It is what it is. They are never going to let him be President anyway. Centrist would rather vote for Trump.
More lies....
How is that a lie? The establishment dems and MSM smeared him like republicans would for the better part of three weeks AND many of them said they would never vote for a socialist. So tell me how it's a lie. You are beginning to sound like 40.
Because it is. EVERYONE who are Democrats are saying they will support the eventual nominee.
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You mean Dems. Bernie is not and has never been a Dem. He's an Independent running on the democratic ticket. That's what the "I" in front of his name stands for.
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and MSM smeared him like republicans would for the better part of three weeks
You mean the same way Bernie Bro's have been attacking Biden and even union membersa who have been staunch supporters of Democrats? Like that?
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AND many of them said they would never vote for a socialist. So tell me how it's a lie. You are beginning to sound like 40.
Why don't you quantify "many". If you actually took a moment and removed your blinders you would find that most of those who say that are not democrats at all, but Independent voters. You know, the voters you actually need to win a presidential election.
You are a prime example of what people point to when they wish to show what's wrong with the typical Bernie supporter. You just make up your own facts like trump and his supporters do.
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Good news for you on two fronts; progressives, Bernie Bros, radical left extremists are all going to vote against Trump because they despise him no matter who they have to vote for. Second, you won't have to worry about progressives, Bernie Bros, or or radical left extremists being dems after this election, they won't be.
The context was totally different. Obama was actually talking to Castro trying to find ground with which to have a conversation that could be a fruitful one. That is never going to happen if you refuse to say anything positive about your enemy.
Bernie was trying to sell that to Americans as a talking point.
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I know you would rather make enemies among those you have more in common with than less. I know you think insuring that People like trump rules this nation for decades to come is more rational than compromise.
Once again, you're a prime example of what's wrong with some Bernie supporters.
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The independent that has caucused with dems for 30 years, serves under Dem leadership in the Senate, and now has ran on the dem ticket twice playing by their rules... Let's observe all the context.
Pete and Joe are so far center that they might as well be republicans. If you look at Joe's history before Obama, he could pass for one.
We were talking about the black vote in either this thread or another thread earlier this week. Swish and I were trying to explain the black vote after OCD asked a question. This is NOT a bash on OCD. Questions are a good thing.
I know a lot of blacks in SC. There are a lot of misconceptions about them. Bernie does not appeal to them for the reasons Swish and I listed.
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“It wasn’t the billionaires. It was voters. Mostly women voters and voters of color. And if you can’t win them, you’re not going to be the Democratic Party’s presidential nominee.”
I don't agree w/the entire article and not sure how reputable that site is. I do know that the quote I used does represent a lot of black folks and women.
Bernie has a well-earned problem w/these people.
Btw---------I can't stand Biden either. I can't believe these are our top two choices. But, no way in hell will I vote for Bernie.............and I'm telling you.......there are many more like me.
Elizabeth Warren’s exit interview is a warning for the dirtbag left
Elizabeth Warren, Bernie Sanders supporters, and how online meanness backfires.
One of the big questions in the debate over Sen. Bernie Sanders’s angry online fans is whether they’re worth talking about at all. They don’t speak for the campaign, so it’s unfair to blame Sanders for their antics. And the vast bulk of the American public isn’t on Twitter — why would you expect them to base their vote on what happens on that site?
Sen. Elizabeth Warren’s campaign exit interview with Rachel Maddow, aired Thursday night, is a clarifying moment in this conversation. In the interview, Warren showed palpable anger with the online Sanders army’s treatment of her and other progressives.
“I think there’s a real problem with online bullying and online nastiness. I’m not just talking about who said mean things; I’m talking about some really ugly stuff that went on,” she said. She expressed particular concerned about threats, citing the publication of phone numbers and home addresses belonging to two women who worked for the Nevada Culinary Union after it produced a fact sheet critical of Sanders’s health care plan.
Warren’s reaction illustrates that these tactics make it at least somewhat harder for Sanders to build allies in the Democratic Party. And this failure of elite backing has real repercussions.
Maddow asked about Sanders’s disavowal of his supporters’ attacks on her, and Warren seemed not to find it very persuasive. “We are responsible for the people who claim to be our supporters and do really dangerous, threatening things to other candidates,” Warren said. Then when asked if “it’s a particular problem with Sanders supporters,” the senator replies bluntly: “It is. And it just is. It’s just a factual question.”
It’s worth watching the clip to get a sense of how deeply frustrating this is for Warren. She starts off by talking about her long friendship with Sanders, how much respect she has for him. And then she pivots to an emotional discussion of online harassment; you can hear that it’s clearly shaped her perception of the race:
You can understand why Warren seems to think Sanders’s disavowals ring a bit hollow. Sanders sat down for an interview with Chapo Trap House, the “dirtbag left” podcast whose hosts repeatedly serve up some of the most vicious and personal attacks on Warren. Sanders speechwriter David Sirota has appeared on their show while working on the campaign, as has national press secretary Briahna Joy Gray. From Warren’s point of view, it might seem like Sanders is speaking out of both sides of his mouth: vaguely disavowing online anger in public statements while his campaign reaches out and appeals directly to the people purveying it.
The purported aim of all the pro-Sanders trolling, the snake emojis directed at Warren on Twitter, and the vitriolic attacks on the Nevada Culinary Union is to shame or bully the targets into getting behind Sanders. Judging by this interview, it seems to have had the opposite effect on Warren.
Online anger and abuse may not filter down to the ordinary voter directly, but it shapes the way Democratic Party elites see the Sanders campaign. If they see it as a font of negativity and anger or a source of direct attacks on them and people they admire, they’re less likely to see it as something they’re comfortable lining up behind. And these sorts of endorsements can matter in primaries; support from Rep. Jim Clyburn (D-SC) and Sen. Amy Klobuchar (D-MN) seems to have really helped buoy Joe Biden in their respective states.
Fundamentally, if Sanders and his movement want to succeed in remaking the Democratic Party in their image, they can’t just drive out every person in a position of power right now. To go from insurgents to party leaders, they need to figure out a way to court the people with influence in the party. Right now, it seems to be the case that the pro-Sanders online brigades are making that harder.
You can call this childish if you want; that Warren and other Democratic elites are letting hurt feelings get in the way of progressive politics. But it doesn’t change the fact that they sincerely believe this is important — and no number of snake emojis is going to change their mind about. If Sanders’s fans are really serious about helping their guy, they need to think carefully about whether what they’re doing is actually working.
So are they saying that MSM intentionally produced Hillary 2.0 Male version to help keep neocons in power? Or are they saying MSM's dislike of Trump has caused dems to forget the real issues in their lives and vote strictly on beat Trump?
You're right! We should blindly nominate Hillary 2.0 the 'moderate' because that worked so well the last time. At least HRC could still wipe her own ass, that's more than I can say for sure about Joe.
And the Black or moderate voters that did this for Joe are going to vote blue no matter who in November! Most of them didn't decide Joe until the last minute, so take that weak ass argument and sit down.
Everyone hated Hillary. Even a lot of Democrats including the vast majority of Independents. A silly meme doesn't change that. You know this but in your zealot pursuit of not only ignoring black voters, but also Independent voters, you wish to try and lose the 2020 election.
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I could be wrong, but basically, I believe that the reason Trump won that election is two fold. The lies about Hillary and the fact that the polls said Trump would lose. I believe people sat out thinking it she was a shoe in.
I don't think that's going to happen.
#GMSTRONG
“Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.” Daniel Patrick Moynahan
"Alternative facts hurt us all. Think before you blindly believe." Damanshot
The problem with his "grassroots" "anti-corporation" "free everything" and "revolution" rhetoric is that it is a self limiting political strategy. He may be able to top out at around 30 percent, but that is the audience that will embrace that kind of stuff.
It appeals to a certain type of person, probably low income more than anyone else. If you are not low income, work for a corporation, and have some assets to your name, you probably are not going to buy into the proposals that he is touting. You may actually be turned off buy it. I could see my taxes go up with Bernie. I just never felt the Bern, and wanted some water tossed on that fire.
We have had the disruption candidate that fights every gnat that comes across his path for the past 3 years. I am sick of it. I will suggest that there are many democrats, independents and the never Trumper republicans that are exhausted by the President.
So what happened on Tuesday was a big "hell-no" with some behind the scenes maneuvering by the Democratic party that cleared the way for Biden. I was not a Biden supporter, but compared to Bernie, or Trump, I was motivated to not have a flamethrower on the left or right sitting in the presidential office.
Say what you want about Bernie, the man's mind is a steel trap. Biden's not so much. Personally Biden seems like somebody that's a year or two out from needing adult daycare.
Say what you want about Bernie, the man's mind is a steel trap. Biden's not so much. Personally Biden seems like somebody that's a year or two out from needing adult daycare.
Knowing what you just said is true, you have to also know the fix is in by the DNC. I want to see the first head to head debate with just these two, though you have to question whether it will ever happen.
Vote for the biggest pawn ever ... Mueller 2.0 ... put in charge to be manipulated and no more than a puppet ... and I’m sure his entire family is thrilled at the billions they can bank if there sugar daddy is elected to the highest office in the land ... BRILLIANT!!!
Vote for the biggest pawn ever ... Mueller 2.0 ... pu
Mueller was a GOP Pawn? I did not know that.
I know he is a Republican. I know he was appointed by a Republican. I knew he had Dems and Republicans on his investigative team. I know he sighted multiple instances of obstruction by Trump and I know he said he couldn't prove "collusion" (as it's been labelled) ... and he said he couldn't prove collusion one way or another because so many people lied and hid the truth. . . . Of course - you might have got your take away about the Mueller report from Trump and Barr ??? and we recently had a federal judge declare that anything AG William Barr has said publicly or ruled on regarding the Mueller report is a lie and cannot be trusted .... so you might want to go and verify for yourself everything I just said is true.
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The more things change the more they stay the same.
The thing I find so odd about all of this is that Warren and Bernie's political platform were nearly identical. They are both far left progressives. Liz is closer to Bernie than any other candidate running on the Democratic ticket.
Don't get me wrong, I have no problem with whoever you support or don't support. I just find this part very confusing.
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Vote for the biggest pawn ever ... Mueller 2.0 ... put in charge to be manipulated and no more than a puppet ... and I’m sure his entire family is thrilled at the billions they can bank if there sugar daddy is elected to the highest office in the land ... BRILLIANT!!!
You already elected their sugar daddy.
How Don Jr., Ivanka, and Eric Trump Have Profited Off Their Dad's Presidency
Say what you want about Bernie, the man's mind is a steel trap. Biden's not so much. Personally Biden seems like somebody that's a year or two out from needing adult daycare.
I want to see the first head to head debate with just these two, though you have to question whether it will ever happen.
I agree with you here. A head to head debate will expose the sad truth about Biden.
