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Jc

Sounds like Carolina didn’t want to pay up with Turner, so they got what they could to keep the OL solid. But, it also sounds like they’re gonna tank out

Agreed. Their new owner sounds like Haslam. He used Haslam's term of going for sustained success. That's code for we are going to not be very good and that's our excuse

Haha exactly

If you can dodge a broom, you can dodge a wrench!

The five D's!

It's crazy to think of all of the great QB's who found those "broom sweepers" so valuable and, now, suddenly they're garbage. On no, wait, that's only on Dawgtalkers.

https://twitter.com/diannaESPN/status/1235687220750643200

What do you give up for an injury prone offensive linemen who just sat out a year and wants to be the highest paid player at his position?

If it was me in charge, not much.

If it were me, that ship has sailed. I probably wouldn’t touch him due to his contract alone, let alone trade value and lack of recent production

Yup. With the draft loaded with tackles this close and no games to play between then and now, he has no value to anyone that has a realistic shot at one of those in the draft.

If anyone bites, it will likely be after the draft, or on day 2, and it will not be for more than a 3rd round pick because nobody is going to give him a fat contract right now unless they are one of the teams that absolutely MUST spend a ton to be in compliance with the CBA's minimums.

He still has one year at 12.5 million left on his current contract. None of that is guaranteed however.

That's very affordable, actually.

I could see a team giving up a 3rd contingent upon working out a new long-term deal, but I don't see anyone throwing top dollar at him. Maybe a decent signing bonus with lots of incentive-heavy years after that... like a 5 year deal with the 4th and 5th years as options.

I think if we see it, it will be a team who will be drafting late in round 1 with a serious need at LT.

If Williams didn't want an extension I'd be willing to give up a fourth round pick for him (and could be talked into a third round pick). Because of the extension I would probably only give up a late round pick swap.

Times change. During last year's season, some folks were saying we should give up a first and possibly more for him.

A couple of us said "no way."

I am going to put the breaks of some of this negative Williams talk.

The guy is 31-32 years old. Fairly young for a offensive lineman. Playing at a fairly high level for 4 more years isn't out of the question. Maybe even 7 years.

I wouldn't just pass. He was out of the game last year. Call it a injury, yet it wasn't a injury.

Obviously you would want to make sure the guy was in shape, but I would be very interested. Seems like last year at this time most people were.

I wouldn't move from the first pick, or maybe even the 2nd, but heck yes I would talk to the guy. I might even move off the 2nd rounder if DC tossed in a 4th rounder.

Then you have to consider how much they want, but you bet, I would at least talk with them is a realistic way.

Don't count me among those people. I was in the "no way" group.

There were reports at the time that John Dorsey was in the trade a first for him camp:



Here is the Trent Williams thread from last year for reference:

https://www.dawgtalkers.net/ubbthreads.php/topics/1633334/4

I know you weren't. That is why I responded to you.

I would like to see the Browns trade for Williams. I do not think they should trade a 1st or 2nd round pick for him.

With Williams the Browns would be better positioned for the draft. They could take best player available if someone dropped to 10 that was a surprise. Or they could draft a top tackle and bookend the OLine.

I don't see why a team would trade anything for Trent Williams (if he wants a new contract) when Jason Peters is a free agent. Just give him one year, $12 million and don't give up any draft picks.

I have been thinking that signing a FA T and drafting just one OT is the way to go.

I am not adverse to signing a temporary fix and developing a rookie. Evaluate after the season and proceed accordingly.

I said this in the draft forum, but I am not a fan of drafting for need. I say you draft BPA and only move 1 spot off your board. Maybe 2. The extreme would be 3, but that is likely a once in a lifetime thing.

Use FA to patch needs. You can always draft that position in the coming years.

I think it is beyond ignorant to draft for need unless the player matches your board ranking. Draft guys you think will be contributors for 10 plus years. Use FA for the short-term.

We should do that anyway. If you draft for need, you are going to lose. I'll believe that to my end of time here.

I don't know whether we should trade for him or not, but Callahan should have a pretty good feel for him having been his position coach with the Redskins. If Callahan wants him, I wouldn't be upset with us trading for him. Not sure how high the price will be now. Age, contract demands, final year under contract, hasn't played much since the cancer so it's unclear if the treatment had any lingering side effects (reduced bone density, immune system, recovery time, etc.)

I'd probably start with a 4th rounder. Maybe go up to a 3 and a 5, contingent on Callahan wanting him in the room.

1. dodge
2. duck
3. dip
4. dive
5. dodge

I'd call them back and let them know I'll do it for nothing more than a swap of 1st rounders.

We get #2 & Trent, they get #10.... otherwise, we'll wait for them to release him.

Agreed with...I'm not even sure if Trent will trot out with his new team as well. Guy has been an odd paradox for some time.

When your team's medical staff tells you the uncomfortable lump on your head is nothing to worry about for multiple years and then you find out it's life threatening cancer, being upset is understandable.

Trent Williams is a 7x pro bowler. Plus, his nickname is Silverback, so we can have more gorilla talk on the boards.

Jason Peters is 38 and while he doesn't necessarily miss games every season, he's often severely hampered.

Yeah I can it both ways, odd from both sides...Even after Washington fired and hired a new medical team, Williams still wasn't happy. I'd be weary of investing too much in him, Peters age and injury concerns are obvious concerns as well...Heck I still remember scouting RG Shawn Andrews and seeing Jason Peters as Arkansas's TE...that was forever ago lol

I think Callahan is someone to rely on if we have interest of course

Unless we consider him a long-term, multi-year solution for us, there is no validating giving up a pick AND big money for him. Period.
So, if we don't think he will be here and playing at a high level for a minimum of the next three years, you 100% Stay Away.

Say what you want, but he is a stop-gap player at this point in his career. He is not a long-term solution except for a team that has no shot at a real long-term solution. I know you think he isn't old 'Peen, but he's basically the same age as Joe Thomas was when he retired... and he already cannot stay healthy and on the field for the past several seasons. Those are not simple dismissables, those are legit red flags. A guy like Jason Peters still going well at 38 is the exception, not an expectable norm.


Someone is going to get a couple of decent years out of him, but unless we have absolutely ZERO other options, I feel that in no way should it be the Browns.


Sign Conklin, draft a LT and an OG. You get Conklin and the OG for whatever you would have to give up for Williams.... it is a MUCH better solution, by FAR.

Jc

The idea of signing Conklin, drafting an OT, and securing a complete TE would do WONDERS for our O

We MUST sign a FA OT, AND draft one. Both need to be legit starter-caliber (just a matter of who mans which side).

IMO, Williams would be perfect. I think it's possible to get Williams for a decent deal (3rd). A starter-caliber LT at 31 is worth that, easily. If we have big plans for that third then sure, you can just sign Peters, but that puts more stress on your draft(s) to nail one or more tackle prospects that will fill in behind Peters.

I like Trent. If the trade isn't too steep (I think the Redskins are between a rock and a hard place with Williams, so there's an opportunity there), then I do the deal, pay him his contract and then figure out if he's overpaid/too old/too grumpy/whatever next offseason.

FWIW

TRENT WILLIAMS
T, WASHINGTON REDSKINS

The Athletic's Connor Hughes reports the Jets are among the teams pursuing Redskins LT Trent Williams.

This makes sense. The Jets ranked 30th in adjusted sack rate and 31st in adjusted line yards per rush last season (Football Outsiders). Only the Steelers averaged fewer yards before contact per rush. Protecting Sam Darnold needs to be on the top of the team's offseason to-do list. Overall, Darnold was pressured on a league-high 41.6% of his dropbacks in 2019 (PFF).

SOURCE: Connor Hughes on Twitter
Mar 6, 2020, 3:39 PM ET

The Jets are such a yo-yo ... they act like they’re rebuilding and then act like they’re not lol ... same with NYG

j/c:

I like Purp's idea of signing Conklin and drafting a LT, provided one is available while matching our Vertical board.

I think Williams is a bit of head case. His handling of that situation was just as odd as Washington's.

I agree, sign Conklin for RT, big money.

Draft a LT at 10. There are at least 4 that should at minimum be good, solid players. I think their floors are high enough they won't bust unless we hold them to Gerrard Warren standards.

He mentioned a guard in round 2-3...I wouldn't do that. We need D in a bad way.

Lets sign a guard in FA. They don't need to be great, just solid.

We need to fix the D as well unless we feel we can score 40 a game to beat the other teams 38 points.

I don't think you need a great player at every offensive line position. With out talent at RB and WR, we need the QB to step-up his game big-time and not make the OL look as bad as he did last year.

I've said this for decades. Most fans don't get OL play and how QBs affect the perception on them. I have dozens of exampled, but I will provide just one to get you to think about what I'm saying. I might provide two, since they are are both examples from the Browns and most folks should remember them.

Charlie Frye was the Browns QB. Almost everyone said we had the worst OL in the league. Charlie would bail the pocket [much like Baker] and the sack totals were very high. DA took over and that same OL gave up very few sacks. Joe Thomas addressed it by talking about throwing the ball on time and not needlessly leaving the pocket.

The second example was how often Weeden got sacked. He held the ball forever. Couldn't read coverages to save his life...or his OL's. LOL Got confused and held the ball too long. Similar to Baker in that regard. Hoyer replaces him and once again, the sack totals immediately go way down because Hoyer did a better job of not holding the ball too long.

Our OL actually gave Baker quite a bit of time to throw for much of the season. There is proof of that. We obviously need two OTs at this point because Hubbard was the weak link and GRob is an idiot. However, if Baker doesn't do a better job of doing what he is supposed to do.......it's not going to matter all that much.

I give Baker a pass on last year because the O was so screwed up between some sort of Monken O and Freddie O, nobody knew what to do. At seasons end you have OBJ just standing there.

If the QB is thinking a player in going one way and the receiver goes another leading to a easy pick and the QB looking like a simpleton, the QB is going to hold the ball until the break...well, that is too late. You still have to process a fraction after you know where the receiver is going.

I do agree that QBs play a big part in how the line plays. I was saying that in the Timid days. Each has to gain the trust of the other. The QB can't be expected to do much with 2.5 seconds of protection.

The line can't look good if the QB needs 5 seconds to decide.

You have that 1.4 second window where things need to happen.

I don't think we will have the same problem this year.