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is there a reason why everytime the WH does a press conference on this, they gotta stroke Trump's ego and tell him how great of a job he's doing to his face?

is trump a 12 year old kid with self esteem issues?

No.

Those things are said to counter the crap so many of you libs and the MSM say.

It is an election year you know.

lol no its not.

you elected an super emotional snowflake into the oval. everybody has to tell him how pretty he is or he'll unload on everybody.

Not only that - the Secretary of Def has to tell the world not to say anything to contradict Trump on the issue.

https://thehill.com/policy/defense/48568...-white-house-on

Cancelling that cruise is part of being prepared for the worst..

As for the difference between being prepared and causing a panic, it's all how you present the facts.

But here is the problem. Trump and his minions have lied so much, that nobody other than the Trumpian party believes him. (and I question how many of them actually do) So they'll have to find another person to spread the word..

Great - Trump tries to make light of the situation again and.... the markets tank worse than before. Guy is a tool.

Never contradict what the man behind the curtain says! I mean just go to work with the virus and feel better! The W.H.O. doesn't know what they're talking about because Trump "has a hunch".

They had until the 3rd week of April to cancel with no penalty, and the other 14 people in the family all are still planning on going.

No Vaccines? Not nearly enough test kits to even test the very rich.

Mmmm what’s this turd of a president actually doing to keep anybody safe? Oh yeah he’s worried about his optics and fragile ego.

I was traveling and listening to the beginning of one of the press conferences-for information, if anything new was happening cause the market was tanking, if they were going to start getting tests to the public...and the first 10 minutes was some sort of weird kiss the bosses ass. I turned it off and checked other news when I got back to the office. I want numbers, info on what to do from the CDC, not some blowhard hailing the "great" leader

Once again....too late. It is what it is. True news alert.....this virus is going to take out a lot of people. More than what is being projected. The news outlets are trying to avoid public panic at this point.

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Official: White House didn’t want to tell seniors not to fly
By MIKE STOBBE
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Vice President Mike Pence, right, along with Florida Sen. Rick Scott, left, and Gov. Ron DeSantis, center, speaks to the media after a meeting with cruise line company leaders to discuss the efforts to fight the spread of the COVID-19 coronavirus, at Port Everglades, Saturday March 7, 2020, in Fort Lauderdale, Fla. (AP Photo/Gaston De Cardenas)
NEW YORK (AP) — The White House overruled health officials who wanted to recommend that elderly and physically fragile Americans be advised not to fly on commercial airlines because of the new coronavirus, a federal official told The Associated Press.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention submitted the plan this week as a way of trying to control the virus, but White House officials ordered the air travel recommendation be removed, said the official who had direct knowledge of the plan. Trump administration officials have since suggested certain people should consider not traveling, but they have stopped short of the stronger guidance sought by the CDC.


The person who spoke to the AP on condition of anonymity did not have authorization to talk about the matter. The person did not have direct knowledge about why the decision to kill the language was made.

In a tweet, the press secretary for Vice President Mike Pence, Katie Miller, said that “it was never a recommendation to the Task Force” and called the AP story “complete fiction.”

On Friday, the CDC quietly updated its website to tell older adults and people with severe medical conditions such as heart, lung or kidney disease to “stay home as much as possible” and avoid crowds. It urges those people to “take actions to reduce your risk of exposure,” but it doesn’t specifically address flying.

Pence, speaking Saturday after meeting with cruise ship industry leaders in Florida, targeted his travel advice to a narrower group: older people with serious health problems.

“If you’re a senior citizen with a serious underlying health condition, this would be a good time to practice common sense and to avoid activities including traveling on a cruise line,” Pence said, adding they were looking to cruise line officials for action, guidance and flexibility with those passengers.

Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar suggested older Americans and those with health problems should avoid crowds “especially in poorly ventilated spaces.”

For most people, the flu-like viral illness causes only mild or moderate symptoms, such as fever and cough. But — like the flu — it can cause pneumonia and be much more lethal to people made frail by old age and by conditions that make it harder for their bodies to fight infections.

Dr. Peter Hotez, dean of tropical medicine at Baylor College of Medicine, this week warned U.S. lawmakers against minimizing the viruses risk for vulnerable people. During a Congressional hearing, he said the coronavirus “is like the angel of death for older individuals.”

Some experts this week said clearer and louder guidance should be made to vulnerable people, so they take every possible step to avoid settings where they might more easily become infected.


“The clear message to people who fit into those categories is; ‘You ought to become a semi-hermit. You’ve got to really get serious in your personal life about social distancing, and in particular avoiding crowds of any kind,’” said Dr. William Schaffner, a Vanderbilt University expert on infectious diseases.

That can include not only avoiding essential commercial travel but also large church services and crowded restaurants, he added.

Dr. Tom Frieden, a former CDC director, said whether to recommend the frail and elderly avoid air travel is “a difficult question,” but clearly this is a time when such conversations should be taking place.

“At this point the risk in the U.S. remains low, but we are seeing it spread rapidly. We are going from the calm before the storm to the beginning of the storm,” said Frieden, who now heads Resolve to Save Lives, an organization promoting global public health.

The new virus is a member of the coronavirus family that can cause colds or more serious illnesses such as SARS and MERS. Health officials think it spreads mainly from droplets when an infected person coughs or sneezes, similar to how the flu spreads.

The virus first emerged late last year in mainland China, but this year has increasingly been spreading around the world. More than 100,000 illnesses have been reported globally, in more than 90 countries and territories. the count includes more than 3,500 deaths.

For weeks, cases in the U.S. remained very low, but the count has been accelerating in the last several days.

President Donald Trump visited the CDC in Atlanta on Friday, where he defended his administration’s handling of the outbreak and tried to reassure Americans that the government had the virus under control. But Trump also detoured from that message, calling Washington state’s governor a “snake” and saying he’d prefer that people exposed to the virus on a cruise ship be left aboard so they wouldn’t be added to the nation’s tally.

The thinking is a global recession coming

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/08/investing/stocks-week-ahead/index.html

About 3 weeks ago When it looked to me that China was not being honest, I assumed when cases started really picking up here trump would do the same, so I went over strategy with my wife and pulled 100% of stocks and went to cash, bonds and t bills.
She asked me last week during an up day if I am thinking of getting back in and I told her that we are not even half way there yet.

But start looking for oil companies, cruise lines, airplane and travel and drug makers and companies that make household items like proctor and gamble to buy.

And Swish, that sure looked like a dead cat bounce

Dunno bout oil companies.

OPEC deal just collapsed, and oil is shooting down fast. Right now trading at 41 a barrel.

Market trying to price in another fed rate cut, with the WH thinking about pumping cash into specific industries.

Corona virus is jacking everybody up, and governments think they can spend their way out of this mess. All it’s gonna accomplish is more debt and worse bond rates, which are already at all time lows.

I dunno if we’ve seen anywhere near the bottom.

We already pumped $28+ Billion in socialized programs to the Farmers because of Trump's trade war with China that basically did very little.

Now Trump is thinking of socializing/supporting specific industries?

Is that how the free market works?

Very scary ...

That’s how the republican free market works.

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WASHINGTON — After weeks of conflicting signals from the Trump administration about the coronavirus, the government’s top health officials decided late last month that when President Trump returned from a trip to India, they would tell him they had to be more blunt about the dangers of the outbreak.


If he approved, they would level with the public.

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But Dr. Nancy Messonnier, the director of the National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, got a day ahead of the plan. At noon on Feb. 25, just as Mr. Trump was boarding Air Force One in New Delhi for his flight home, she told reporters on a conference call that life in the United States was about to change.

“The disruption to everyday life might be severe,” she said. Schools might have to close, conferences could be canceled, businesses might make employees work from home. She had told her own children, she said, to prepare for “significant disruption to our lives.”

The stock market plummeted, cable news blared apocalyptic headlines and by the time Mr. Trump landed at Joint Base Andrews early the next morning, his critics were accusing him of sowing confusion on an issue of life or death.

The president immediately got on the phone with Alex M. Azar II, his secretary of health and human services. That call scared people, he shouted, referring to Ms. Messonnier’s warnings. Are we at the point that we will have to start closing schools? the president added, alarmed, according to an official who heard about the call.

To health officials, the message needed to change with the outbreak. “The epicenter was shifting” as the number of new cases outside China surpassed those inside, said Dr. Anne Schuchat, the principal deputy director of the C.D.C. “The issue of what this might mean to us became more important.”

From the beginning, the Trump administration’s attempts to forestall an outbreak of a virus now spreading rapidly across the globe was marked by a raging internal debate about how far to go in telling Americans the truth. Even as the government’s scientists and leading health experts raised the alarm early and pushed for aggressive action, they faced resistance and doubt at the White House — especially from the president — about spooking financial markets and inciting panic.

“It’s going to all work out,” Mr. Trump said as recently as Thursday night. “Everybody has to be calm. It’s going to work out.”

Health experts say that telling people to remain calm is an effective message in an epidemic, and it is appropriate that it come from the president. Clear, honest communication is also crucial, and the United States has at times criticized China and other governments for being less than transparent.

a group of people sitting at a station: Patients infected with the coronavirus waiting to be transferred to a newly built hospital in Wuhan.© Agence France-Presse — Getty Images Patients infected with the coronavirus waiting to be transferred to a newly built hospital in Wuhan.
But from Mr. Trump’s first comments on the virus in January to rambling remarks at the C.D.C. on Friday, health experts say the administration has struggled to strike an effective balance between encouraging calm, providing key information and leading an assertive response. The confused signals from the Trump administration, they say, left Americans unprepared for a public health crisis and delayed their understanding of a virus that has reached at least 28 states, infected more than 300 people and killed at least 17.

Brian P. Kemp, Alex Azar, Doug Collins, David Perdue standing in a room: Mr. Trump visiting the C.D.C. in Atlanta on Friday.© T.J. Kirkpatrick for The New York Times Mr. Trump visiting the C.D.C. in Atlanta on Friday.
A Very Big Deal

Mr. Azar was at his home in suburban Washington, on Friday, Jan. 3, when Dr. Robert R. Redfield, the C.D.C.’s director, called to tell him China had potentially discovered a new coronavirus. Mr. Azar, a former pharmaceutical executive who helped manage the response to earlier SARS and anthrax outbreaks, told his chief of staff to make sure that the National Security Council was aware.

This is a very big deal, Mr. Azar told him.

The Trump administration had eliminated the global health unit that had been part of the National Security Council, but within days, a team was meeting daily in the basement of the West Wing, pleading with Chinese officials to allow doctors from the C.D.C. into their country.

For weeks, the Chinese refused offers of public health cooperation. “China nice-talked it for a month,” said Kenneth T. Cuccinelli, a top official at the Department of Homeland Security who was working on the coronavirus effort. “‘Oh, well, thank you for the offer. Blah, blah.’”

On Saturday, Jan. 18, a day after the C.D.C. dispatched 100 people to three American airports to screen travelers coming from Wuhan, China, Mr. Azar made his first call to Mr. Trump about the virus, dialing him directly at Mar-a-Lago, his Florida estate. The president insisted on talking about e-cigarettes first, but Mr. Azar steered him to the virus.

Four days later, during a two-day trip to the World Economic Forum in Switzerland, the president chose to focus on the positive.

“We have it under control,” he said. “It’s going to be just fine.”

On the evening of Jan. 28, a new kind of crisis broke out in the skies.

The State Department had ordered the evacuation of the American Consulate in Wuhan and a 747 was in the air. But as it headed for the United States with hundreds of passengers who possibly carried the virus, administration officials in Washington were in a frantic scramble about where it should land.

Dr. Robert Kadlec, the assistant health secretary for preparedness and response, tried to secure some kind of military base in California, but was struggling to cut through Pentagon red tape. In a panic, his staff started booking hundreds of rooms at three hotels in the Los Angeles area, asking for full floors so they could separate potentially infected evacuees from other guests.

One idea was to land the plane at the Ontario airport outside Los Angeles, and officials went so far as to schedule, then cancel, a briefing for some members of the California congressional delegation. After hours of wrangling, and with the plane still in the air, Mark T. Esper, the defense secretary, said the plane could land at March Air Reserve Base in Riverside County, which had space to house all of the passengers.

Inside the White House, a debate broke out, centered on concerns that had become ever-present since the virus first emerged: How would the government’s actions be perceived by the public? And what would the president think?

At issue was whether to impose a federal quarantine order on the evacuees to prevent them from leaving for 14 days. Such authority had not been used since a smallpox outbreak in 1969. But officials had to find some way to make sure the passengers did not leave the base until it was clear they were not infected.

Mr. Azar pushed for the order but others were wary, concerned it could cause panic. They decided to ask the passengers to voluntarily stay at the military base. One woman balked, so California officials, who use quarantine authority more often, stepped in and forced the passengers to stay.

Time to Provoke China?

By the end of January, the virus was veering out of control in China, the source of 23,000 visitors to the United States each day. Any one of them could be the trigger for a new and undetected American outbreak.

Over four days in the White House Situation Room, the nation’s top public health and national security officials engaged in a fierce debate over whether to take the extraordinary step of banning travel from China.

Public health officials were initially wary. Experts have long recommended against restricting travel during outbreaks, arguing that it is often ineffective and can stymie the response by limiting the movements of doctors and other health professionals trying to contain the disease. A ban would anger China, they worried, ending any hope of cooperation with American medical teams.

Officials at the National Security Council and Department of Homeland Security argued that China had already proved unwilling to cooperate. A third group inside the White House was worried that the move would incite panic and could roil the financial markets.

By Thursday, Jan. 30, the public health officials had come around. Mr. Azar, Dr. Redfield and Dr. Anthony S. Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, agreed that a ban on travel from the epidemic’s center could buy some time to put into place prevention and testing measures. “There was so much we didn’t know about this virus,” Dr. Redfield said in an interview. “We were rapidly understanding it was much more transmissible, that it had a great ability to go global.”

The debate moved that afternoon to the Oval Office, where Mr. Azar and others urged the president to approve the ban. “The situation has changed radically,” Mr. Azar told Mr. Trump.

Others in the room urged being more cautious, arguing that a ban could have unforeseen consequences. “This is unprecedented,” warned Kellyanne Conway, the president’s counselor. Mr. Trump was skeptical, though he would later claim that everyone around him had been against the idea. The two countries were in delicate trade negotiations. Was this the time to provoke China? he asked. And what about the consequences on the economy?

The president sided with his more aggressive aides, and announced the ban next day.

Still, Mr. Trump was publicly upbeat about the effects of the virus. At a campaign rally in New Hampshire in early February, as the World Health Organization was announcing new cases by the tens of thousands, he said of the coronavirus, “By April, you know, in theory, when it gets a little warmer, it miraculously goes away.”

In fact, the fight against the virus was already beginning to stumble.

A system used to track travelers returning from China went offline just as state officials were told to begin monitoring them. Mr. Azar said at a congressional hearing that he needed at least 300 million respirator masks for health care workers, but the national emergency stockpile, the government’s reserve of disaster supplies, held only 12 million, and many of those had expired.

And a C.D.C. coronavirus test distributed to state labs had a flawed component that led to sometimes inconclusive results, crippling the nation’s testing capacity for weeks, despite assurances by the administration that it was quickly being resolved.

Americans stranded in Japan on a cruise ship, the Diamond Princess, were finally returned home Feb. 17, but the president became enraged when he learned that 14 of the passengers had tested positive for the virus in the process of being transferred to government planes.

He later said that he was worried that bringing back people who tested positive for the virus would increase the public tally of people infected in the United States.

The month ended with a whistle-blower’s claim that workers from the Department of Health and Human Services had been sent to greet returning Americans from China at two military bases in California without the personal protective gear that is required for anyone coming into contact with potentially exposed patients. None of the workers tested positive for the virus, but the allegation shook Congress.

‘I Like the Numbers Being Where They Are.’

The president’s motorcade pulled onto the main C.D.C. campus in Atlanta just before 4:30 p.m. on Friday, passing protesters holding signs that said “Have faith in science” and “We need a vaccine against Trump.”

Ten weeks after the virus first emerged in China, the total number of confirmed cases in the world surged past 100,000 and public health experts warned darkly that the outbreak was far from over. The United States, they said, faces weeks, if not months, of uncertainty and continued disruptions in education, businesses, commerce, medicine, government and daily life.

“Time matters,” Dr. Redfield said in an interview on Friday.

Last week, Vice President Mike Pence was given control of the public messaging, and although Mr. Pence has had some mixed messages of his own — he promised more tests before they were available — the White House has since displayed more discipline. Mr. Pence holds twice daily conference calls with officials from across the country, and a virus task force he leads issues daily talking points, with comment from the health professionals, to make sure the message is consistent.

But the president still has his bullhorn. During his visit to the C.D.C., Mr. Trump told reporters that he was not inclined to let 21 people who tested positive for the virus on a cruise ship off the coast of California onto American soil.

“They would like to have the people come off,” he said. “I would like to have the people stay.” The president said he would allow health experts to make the final decision, but he made clear again where he stood.

His concern? It would increase the tally for the number of people infected in the United States. “Because I like the numbers being where they are,” the president said.

you mean socialize debt and privatize profit of large multinationals

the same with oil as other stocks, buy decent stocks with a good dividend low and hold/sell high. Oil is caving, worth checking to see if there is something to buy.

And when he talks he has to bring up how Obama did not do a good job and made things harder, Which is he opposite of the truth.

And to many people, when you have different people running government saying different things, trying to stop/change what the scientists are saying, saying that there will be the availability to test 1 million people and only test a couple thousand during the noted timeframe, you pretty much bs your way through every other thing you say-
politics are politics, this is different-and people pretty much from the beginning saw through this-

just how bad is it going to get and when are they going to let the scientists take over?

Dawg, this is the trump admin... they don't do science of any sort.

I just finished watching the Lead Scientist of the CDC say he has served under multiple administrations and no one, ever, has tried to silence him or told him what to say. Ever.

But I do understand, If you guys can cry about Trump causing all the Hurricanes he has faced and overcome, you will cry about the virus being his fault too.

40, Are you implying Trump really doesn’t control weather patterns and viruses? I am truly shocked to hear this!

That's why you hear the CDC say one thing and then trump says something all together different. There are mixed messages coming from our government and Trump seems to consistently be saying something different that the experts. Here's a really moronic thing he just said yesterday.....

“I like this stuff. I really get it,” Trump said. “People are surprised that I SAY I understand it. Every one of these doctors say, ‘How do you know so much about this?’ Maybe I have a natural ability. Maybe I should’ve done that instead of running for president.”....... I understand that whole [scientific] world.”

Fixed it, what a complete egotistical moron.

He knows so much yet
...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2020/03/07/flu-trump-grandfather-death-coronavirus/

Can't make that kinda stuff up

Dow futures down almost 1000 points
Nasdaq down 325

Bumpy ride again

Holy crap. Oil down 20 percent to 33 dollars a barrel. Down 8 dollars after down 4 on Friday

Blame the media. Just like when a storm forms off the coast of Africa, the media goes all crazy about "possible category 5 hurricane...."

The media now a days is all about clicks, and the more dire you post, the more clicks you get. The market is fickle as well, as they/it do the same thing.

Yep. Thanks to the losers in OPEC failing to reach a deal, it’s bout to collapse the market.

Oil trading at 32 right now.

But I’m sure everybody clamoring about yet another fed rate cut is somehow gonna make it all better....

How is it the media’s fault? Last time I checked, they aren’t the reason the trump administration can’t keep there crap together.

How many times do the people have to watch the trump administration say one thing, only to see the CDC they freaking control say another?

The markets like stability, consistency, and leadership. We are getting none of that out of the trump administration. Instead, we get trump whining about the the cruise ship only from the standpoint that it will make him look bad.

That’s not the media’s fault we have trash ass leadership at the top. It is, however, their responsibility to report on said trash ass leadership.

And oh yea, 10 year bonds are at a pathetic .5%

Another historic low. Man oh man I feel bad for all those retirees living off of their bond yields.

Last time I checked, the media was going out of their way to blame trump for anything bad, and attributing anything good to Obama.

Hey: News alert: Trump didn't create Corona virus. Last I checked, the common flu killed/kills more than the corona virus. In fact, 2 or 3 weekends in Chicago kills more than the corona virus.

You continue to make absolutely no points whatsoever.

News flash: literally no one is blaming trump for the virus. Trump is being judged based on how he’s handling it.

Which so far, is piss poor. You bringing up Chicago or any other useless narrative doesn’t change the fact that trump is demonstrating piss poor leadership.

You defend trump more than you defend god, which is exactly why we refer to people like you as cult followers.

If they are living off bonds, they must have had a lot of money. No one lives off bonds - IF they were smart. The people I feel bad for are those that don't get a guaranteed check every month.

Oh, and this weird thing: Things will come back for those in their 60s, 50's, and younger. That's how it works. The markets are super sensitive to anything out of the ordinary, and they show that.

Interesting thought process by you. Wrong, but interesting.

You apparently havent kept up on the news, or even the posts on here? Damn right people are blaming Trump. To say any different is to be dumb.

Hey, how many people died in chicago due to guns in the last month? Chicago, where it takes an arm and a leg to own a gun, LEGALLY?

You’re really bringing up Chicago in a corona virus thread.

Lol good god....