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Originally Posted By: fishtheice
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You familiar with the right wing propagandist and Cuba supporting/promoting activist Giancarlo Sopo?


To be honest with you..no


That's who wrote that article. smh

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well, we also don't have enough lab capacity to process the tests, either


This is what's known as a double whammy.

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I don't think the President failed.


After todays announcement, it is clear he has been working on this for some time.

You don't just bring all the facets he has together in a day.

All of this was coordinated and planned, so that when he did call a National Emergency, he could explain the plan. What the Government was going to do, what business and medical research were charged with.

Calling an emergency without a clear plan wouldn't put people at ease. He brought in many from the business sector. Several large Pharma's, large pharmacy companies like Walgreens, Wal-Mart who has the delivery points and the distribution know how.

Looks to me like it is all hands on deck.

I think the President has done a wonderful job.


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Originally Posted By: archbolddawg
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He was a She and that sort of comment is asinine. You are part of the problem - I am seeing from you more and more divisive comments. When you stoop to the level of the dumbest denominator on the "other side" you already lost.


Just wanted to say, you're learning.


You need to shut up too, put people on ignore to hide from them then make snide comments every chance you get. That's got to be a new low form of cowardice or something. Swish called you out for it the other day and I bit my tongue, but now you are going to get blasted for it if you do it again. I have left you alone since the day I was hard on you, letting you know you don't matter to me, but here we are again.

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I think the President has done a wonderful job.


Why did he lie so many times?

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I think the President has done a wonderful job.


Why did he lie so many times?


Again in his most recent oval office telecast Trump said, "Earlier this week, I met with the leaders of the health insurance industry who have agreed to waive all co-payments for coronavirus treatments, extend insurance coverage to these treatments, and to prevent surprise medical billing."

This was not true.

Trump said the virus would "go away like a miracle."

Trump said the death rate for the flu was higher than the virus.

Trump said the virus would go away in the summer with no evidence.

Trump continues to blame Obama, who was president over three years ago, despite it accomplishing nothing.

All of these were either fabrications or outright lies. If any one of us made one mistake as large as any of those we would be reprimanded at the very least and definitely fired if we made all of them.

This is doing a "wonderful job". If you think Trump has done a wonderful job with regards to the coronavirus you are either in the tank or aren't paying attention.

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That's who wrote that article. smh


Here are a few more articles covering Pelosi's attempted dirty deed:

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/...oronavirus-bill


https://www.nationalreview.com/news/sass...avirus-package/


https://www.westernjournal.com/report-pe...eaths-abortion/


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Originally Posted By: OldColdDawg


That's who wrote that article. smh


Here are a few more articles covering Pelosi's attempted dirty deed:

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/...oronavirus-bill


https://www.nationalreview.com/news/sass...avirus-package/


https://www.westernjournal.com/report-pe...eaths-abortion/

https://www.dailywire.com/news/pelosi-allegedly-tried-sneaking-pro-abortion-language-into-coronavirus-bill-ben-sasse-blasts-her?%3Futm_source=twitter


Any attempt to do anything other than help the public is despicable. Many people are going to die and if politicians are trying to add pork to the bill that will help them that is not honorable.

All the links you provided are right wing propaganda sites and I don't believe anything they have to say on any subject.

Luckily it seems as though both sides have recently come to a deal that will be passed soon.

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This will probably go over like a bag of rocks thrown off a boat into deep waters, but we are in the infancy of a true crisis.

Political finger-pointing and heated exchanges have been part of our culture for a long time.

However.............it's time for us to all come together. To unite in a common cause to not allow this virus to devastate us. I'm talking about health. I am talking about financially. I am talking about as a nation.

There are times to fight. There times to unite. It's time to do the latter. We need strong leadership on many fronts. We need folks to work together instead of focusing on personal gain or allowing personal biases to grind things to a halt.

We are the United States of America and we've united during some dark periods. We can go back to fighting one another after this over, but right now, we need to come together as one in this nation and not allow this awful virus to conquer us.

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Originally Posted By: OldColdDawg
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He was a She and that sort of comment is asinine. You are part of the problem - I am seeing from you more and more divisive comments. When you stoop to the level of the dumbest denominator on the "other side" you already lost.


Just wanted to say, you're learning.


You need to shut up too, put people on ignore to hide from them then make snide comments every chance you get. That's got to be a new low form of cowardice or something. Swish called you out for it the other day and I bit my tongue, but now you are going to get blasted for it if you do it again. I have left you alone since the day I was hard on you, letting you know you don't matter to me, but here we are again.


You keep replying to me. I took you off ignore. I realize now why I put you on ignore. You're way out there. And, from a pm you sent me, I know why.

Pit is off ignore also. But, I don't know a single person that, had they received the pm I did from him, would care to read his stuff.

So, both of you, have at me.

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I agree, yet some don't seem to agree.

That is why we are doomed. Not enough backbone in this country. Just a bunch of wishbone.


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Originally Posted By: archbolddawg
Originally Posted By: OldColdDawg
Originally Posted By: archbolddawg
Originally Posted By: mgh888

He was a She and that sort of comment is asinine. You are part of the problem - I am seeing from you more and more divisive comments. When you stoop to the level of the dumbest denominator on the "other side" you already lost.


Just wanted to say, you're learning.


You need to shut up too, put people on ignore to hide from them then make snide comments every chance you get. That's got to be a new low form of cowardice or something. Swish called you out for it the other day and I bit my tongue, but now you are going to get blasted for it if you do it again. I have left you alone since the day I was hard on you, letting you know you don't matter to me, but here we are again.


You keep replying to me. I took you off ignore. I realize now why I put you on ignore. You're way out there. And, from a pm you sent me, I know why.

Pit is off ignore also. But, I don't know a single person that, had they received the pm I did from him, would care to read his stuff.

So, both of you, have at me.


I don't need or want to have at you. Just sick of the little shots you like to take. And I'm glad you took us off ignore.

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I think I killed this thread by asking us to unite. LOL

Yo.........what's wrong w/generating positive thoughts that will help us all? Why do we have to destroy one another to survive?

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It’s hard to generate positive thoughts when you can’t even trust the leader of your country to tell the truth about anything.

The man lies about crowd sizes and hurricane paths for gods sake.


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I think I killed this thread by asking us to unite. LOL

Yo.........what's wrong w/generating positive thoughts that will help us all? Why do we have to destroy one another to survive?



Nothing. I'm starting to see that happen. I'm seeing a lot of little things start to form today on social media around food and money collections for families impacted by this. Last time I saw something like this was in 2012 when there was a huge evacuation for a wildfire. I saw people open their homes to complete strangers.


It's supposed to be hard! If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great!
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Bro, I get it..................but this thing is real.

F.........all that political BS. We gots to do what we gots to do. We did it in 9/11. We did it during other periods of distress.

I was a coach and teacher, bro...........motivation is my thing. Let's unite. Most of us are really good people. Yeah, there are a lot of idiots out there, but most of us are good. I'd never hurt you and you would never hurt me. I believe that. We might fight, but we'd have each others backs if went down.

This is the same thing on a grander scale. Time for us to unite. Let's kick this damn Covid's ass!

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Nice. Great job, squires.

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On 9/11, in just a few hours, the world changed forever. It was like a child losing their innocence to a living nightmare.

This coronavirus is scary, but it's not a zombie apocalypse and it's not 9/11. I'm in the highest risk group on everything except age. Heart:check, Diabetes:Check, COPD:check... but crapping my pants is not an option at this point. I've survived 5 heart attacks and a DVT blood clot the length of my leg, I'll be damned if this thing is taking me out.

Asking people to come together and think about their neighbors is good, I agree. Hoping people can find and display some compassion is good, I agree. But this will pass just like the brotherhood felt after 9/11 passed. So don't get your hopes up that this will solve the political issues, because IMHO I don't see that happening.

If you really want people to come together you have to give them something to rally for or against. Something like MC4A. If we had that right now, nobody would be freaking out over how to pay for tests or hospitals. If we had a dedicated government that worked to improve the standard of living for all of us, instead of insuring opulence for the few born into or lucky enough make it into the elite class, then a lot of the pressures we are feeling during this crisis wouldn't exist. Paid leave would mean not missing those paychecks like life depended on every second of labor you can sell. MC4A would mean not sweating the medical costs no matter how bad you are hit. Tuition free college would mean not having a lack of trained medical personnel. Knowing your government has your back would mean you could go actually buy toilet paper because people wouldn't have to feel like they needed to hoard. And lastly, when everybody has the opportunity and structure to be successful and the safety net to not be afraid to try then everyone does better and contributes more... That does a whole lot of divide healing right there, just knowing life is not a ruthless competition for scraps but plentiful enough for all. Just saying, kumbaya that a moment.


EDIT: And the crowd saying "but how are you going to pay for it?" should realize that budget cuts and not believing in science put us here today. If we had maintained a competent team of professionals to plan and handle these situations, we would be looking at how to test everyone, or a shortage of ICU rooms and ventilators. Nope, we would have acted faster, maybe got in front of it or been way more prepared for it from the get go. SO those people should now be asking how we are going to pay for NOT doing that.

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I'm glad the South has guns and militia groups.

Nobody coming here to screw with us.

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I'm glad the South has guns and militia groups.

Nobody coming here to screw with us.


Except others right there with guns and militia if thing start to get so scarce that taking what you need by force becomes necessary. 40% of America can't handle a $400 emergency! If the economy and or government were to collapse suddenly, that would mean about 140 Million extremely desperate people out there looking to survive by any means possible. What makes you think a bunch of good ole boys with guns could control that and keep you safe? lmao, clueless.

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jc

I'm glad the South has guns and militia groups.

Nobody coming here to screw with us.


Except others right there with guns and militia if thing start to get so scarce that taking what you need by force becomes necessary. 40% of America can't handle a $400 emergency! If the economy and or government were to collapse suddenly, that would mean about 140 Million extremely desperate people out there looking to survive by any means possible. What makes you think a bunch of good ole boys with guns could control that and keep you safe? lmao, clueless.


You're just sad that you don't have a militia.

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I don't. I said 'others right there', meaning around you.

I don't even own any guns any more. Younger me had a hairpin temper and very little regard for dumbassery but I had guns in my home; figured out that was not a good combo so I kept them locked up all the time. Then when my kids got a little older and I had settled down some, I thought it best for to get rid of them for safety sake. Since then I've never felt the need to have them, especially when the grandkids are around. But I have entertained the idea of getting one of these:


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This is essentially a brake check, a reality check.

Uber tax the wealthy, and kick that toward nurses and teachers.

tusa 4th graders rank 14th globally. I thought you were prepared, I believed you were a superpower.


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I don't. I said 'others right there', meaning around you.

I don't even own any guns any more. Younger me had a hairpin temper and very little regard for dumbassery but I had guns in my home; figured out that was not a good combo so I kept them locked up all the time. Then when my kids got a little older and I had settled down some, I thought it best for to get rid of them for safety sake. Since then I've never felt the need to have them, especially when the grandkids are around. But I have entertained the idea of getting one of these:



Can never have enough weaponry. Provided you know how to use and secure it.

I live alone, so I have no problem with having guns around.

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So online sellers have been buying up supplies


https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/14/techn...pgtype=Homepage

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I don't think the President failed.


After todays announcement, it is clear he has been working on this for some time.

You don't just bring all the facets he has together in a day.

All of this was coordinated and planned, so that when he did call a National Emergency, he could explain the plan. What the Government was going to do, what business and medical research were charged with.

Calling an emergency without a clear plan wouldn't put people at ease. He brought in many from the business sector. Several large Pharma's, large pharmacy companies like Walgreens, Wal-Mart who has the delivery points and the distribution know how.

Looks to me like it is all hands on deck.

I think the President has done a wonderful job.


Way too late. The toothpaste is out of the tube. trump stomped on it. Huge fail.

And he and pence has done a wonderful job of lying to us. “If you want tested you can get tested.”

Remember all the times you all roasted Obama on keeping your doctor? Probably not.

Selective memory? Hypocrisy runs rampant. Pffft the trump era.


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So online sellers have been buying up supplies


https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/14/techn...pgtype=Homepage


These guys could pull up in about any parking lot of a big box store and sell all this crap at double the normal price in an hour.

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Trump didn't push for more coronavirus testing because he was concerned that high infection numbers might dent his reelection chances, report says

President Donald Trump did not push for more coronavirus testing because he thought that higher infection rates would dent his reelection chances, Politico's Dan Diamond told NPR on Thursday.

Diamond, who covers health policy for the outlet, was asked about the Trump administration's early response to the outbreak and about concerns that the government had not done enough to stem the outbreak across the country.

"My understanding is he did not push to do aggressive additional testing in recent weeks, and that's partly because more testing might have led to more cases being discovered of coronavirus outbreak, and the president had made clear: The lower the numbers on coronavirus, the better for the president, the better for his potential reelection this fall," Diamond said, according to an NPR transcript.

US health authorities have tested about 12,000 people for the disease since January, while authorities in South Korea have tested as many as 10,000 people a day.

Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar also "has not always given the president the worst-case scenario of what could happen," Diamond told NPR.

In response to a request for comment, a Department of Health and Human Services representative directed Business Insider to a tweet from NPR clarifying that it was Trump and not Azar who did not push for more testing facilities.



The White House declined to speak on the record.

According to multiple reports, one of Trump's key concerns in the early weeks of the outbreak was how negative statements from health officials could affect the financial markets. The president has long regarded the health of the markets as a barometer for the strength of his presidency.

Trump's statements seeking to project optimism and downplay the threat of the virus have been at odds with the somber warnings of health officials.

"It goes away," Trump told reporters on Wednesday. "It's going away. We want it to go away with very, very few deaths."

At a White House briefing last week, he was corrected by Dr. Anthony Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, after falsely claiming that a vaccine for the virus would soon be available.

There has been widespread confusion about the availability of coronavirus test kits in the country, and the Trump administration has faced mounting allegations that it failed to ensure adequate testing capabilities.

Trump claimed last week that anyone who wanted a test could get one, but reports from across the country have described difficulties in procuring testing kits.

On Tuesday, Fauci told Congress that testing in the US was inadequate.

"The system is not really geared to what we need right now," Fauci said.



In a tweet on Friday morning, Trump sought to shift blame to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the Obama administration.

"For decades the @CDCgov looked at, and studied, its testing system, but did nothing about it. It would always be inadequate and slow for a large scale pandemic, but a pandemic would never happen, they hoped," Trump said. "President Obama made changes that only complicated things further."

He added: "Their response to H1N1 Swine Flu was a full scale disaster, with thousands dying, and nothing meaningful done to fix the testing problem, until now. The changes have been made and testing will soon happen on a very large scale basis. All Red Tape has been cut, ready to go!"

https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-trump-high-infection-rate-dent-reelection-report-2020-3

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Any post that criticizes the President or any political party Republican or Demodrat about the COVID - 19 is just plain and simply "STUPID".

China somehow created this strain of virus and in today's global world people from all over the world spend times in different countries. Once the virus gets out stopping it is like stopping Cold and Flu season from coming around every year.


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Nobody blame Trump for the coronavirus, but we do blame him for how he's addressed it! Big difference, but if you are too 'stupid' you can't see that.

Seriously, this thing is getting ready to hit and instead of maximizing the time they had to prepare testing and the people, they tried to minimize it. The market would not have fell so bad with some honesty and people first leadership.

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Nobody blame Trump for the coronavirus, but we do blame him for how he's addressed it! Big difference, but if you are too 'stupid' you can't see that.

Seriously, this thing is getting ready to hit and instead of maximizing the time they had to prepare testing and the people, they tried to minimize it. The market would not have fell so bad with some honesty and people first leadership.


Go ahead and play politics with the disease. Even the Governor of California said the Administration gave them all they needed and has been great to work with.

Both put aside political differences and worked together. We need to see more of that in today's world.

The Democrats see bigger government and more agencies as the answer to the problem. Trump and the Republicans see the experts in medicine and the private sector as the answer to the problem. We can discuss later which was more effective. But, playing politics with Covid 19 is a losing political issue at this point.


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January 22: “We have it totally under control. It’s one person coming in from China. It’s going to be just fine.”

February 2: “We pretty much shut it down coming in from China.”

February 24: “The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA… Stock Market starting to look very good to me!”

February 25: “CDC and my Administration are doing a GREAT job of handling Coronavirus.”

February 25: “I think that's a problem that’s going to go away… They have studied it. They know very much. In fact, we’re very close to a vaccine.”

February 26: “The 15 (cases in the US) within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero.”

February 26: “We're going very substantially down, not up.”

February 27: “One day it’s like a miracle, it will disappear.”

February 28: “We're ordering a lot of supplies. We're ordering a lot of, uh, elements that frankly we wouldn't be ordering unless it was something like this. But we're ordering a lot of different elements of medical.”

March 2: “You take a solid flu vaccine, you don't think that could have an impact, or much of an impact, on corona?”

March 2: “A lot of things are happening, a lot of very exciting things are happening and they’re happening very rapidly.”

March 4: “If we have thousands or hundreds of thousands of people that get better just by, you know, sitting around and even going to work — some of them go to work, but they get better.”

March 5: “I NEVER said people that are feeling sick should go to work.”

March 5: “The United States… has, as of now, only 129 cases… and 11 deaths. We are working very hard to keep these numbers as low as possible!”

March 6: “I think we’re doing a really good job in this country at keeping it down… a tremendous job at keeping it down.”

March 6: “Anybody right now, and yesterday, anybody that needs a test gets a test. They’re there. And the tests are beautiful…. the tests are all perfect like the letter was perfect. The transcription was perfect. Right? This was not as perfect as that but pretty good.”

March 6: “I like this stuff. I really get it. People are surprised that I understand it… Every one of these doctors said, ‘How do you know so much about this?’ Maybe I have a natural ability. Maybe I should have done that instead of running for president.”

March 6: “I don't need to have the numbers double because of one ship that wasn't our fault.”

March 8: “We have a perfectly coordinated and fine tuned plan at the White House for our attack on CoronaVirus.”

March 9: “This blindsided the world.”

Friday the 13th: Declares national state of emergency.


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https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/20...ticizing-trump/

Early on President Trump tried to prevent issue with a travel ban. The same travel ban that Democrats did not take seriously and called it racist.

Again, Covid 19 is not a political issue anymore.


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Trump and the Republicans see the experts in medicine and the private sector as the answer to the problem.


That's why he fired the bipartisan Pandemic Response Team and defunded the Centers for Disease Control.

Believe what you want, but please don't peddle your bovine excrement to the rest of us.


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https://www.nationalreview.com/news/coro...hina-travel-ban

He was working on a travel plan while others were only worried about impeachment.


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Trump and the Republicans see the experts in medicine and the private sector as the answer to the problem.


That's why he fired the bipartisan Pandemic Response Team and defunded the Centers for Disease Control.

Believe what you want, but please don't peddle your bovine excrement to the rest of us.


Larger government does not fix an issue it is just a waste of tax payers money.. Empowering the private sector will be the difference.


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I think the President has done a wonderful job.


Why did he lie so many times?


Again in his most recent oval office telecast Trump said, "Earlier this week, I met with the leaders of the health insurance industry who have agreed to waive all co-payments for coronavirus treatments, extend insurance coverage to these treatments, and to prevent surprise medical billing."

This was not true.

Trump said the virus would "go away like a miracle."

Trump said the death rate for the flu was higher than the virus.

Trump said the virus would go away in the summer with no evidence.

Trump continues to blame Obama, who was president over three years ago, despite it accomplishing nothing.

All of these were either fabrications or outright lies. If any one of us made one mistake as large as any of those we would be reprimanded at the very least and definitely fired if we made all of them.

This is doing a "wonderful job". If you think Trump has done a wonderful job with regards to the coronavirus you are either in the tank or aren't paying attention.


Yet we see someone saying the way he handled it was "wonderful". I guess they expect him to lie and now have adopted it as a "wonderful" thing.


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Originally Posted By: fishtheice
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That's who wrote that article. smh


Here are a few more articles covering Pelosi's attempted dirty deed:

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/...oronavirus-bill


https://www.nationalreview.com/news/sass...avirus-package/


https://www.westernjournal.com/report-pe...eaths-abortion/



Republicans Tried to Sneak Abortion Restrictions into the Coronavirus Bill

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/4ag55...on-restrictions

In Coronavirus Funding Talks, Trump’s Anti-Abortion Extremism Is Laid Bare

https://rewire.news/article/2020/03/13/i...m-is-laid-bare/

Right-wing media and abortion opponents hype misinformation about the coronavirus spending bill

https://www.mediamatters.org/coronavirus...out-coronavirus


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You said He said what good is all that when our country needs unity superconfused


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