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It all depends if Baker listens to Case and wants to learn from him or if Baker continues to be Baker and views Case as an adversary.

I have no proof, but I think that TT was gone because Baker couldn't accept that Taylor was a challenger.

I know it's a lot of speculation, but the entire thing w/Hue, Haley, Freddie, TT, and Drew as just too much to ignore.

One more time.................this is a huge year for Baker. He needs to adjust his attitude and put the work in. He needs to be more accountable and stop w/the mindset of things being handed to him. He has the arm talent. He has the moxie. Now, does he have the emotional maturity, ability to evolve, and work ethic it takes to succeed?

You don’t know Mayfield personally, so stop speculating. “Baker being Baker”. Stop it. You don’t know the guy from Adam, you just post this stuff over and over. Making up the psychodrama about his interactions with everyone.

And, no, I don’t care that you’ve been a fan since the 1500s.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/2887...ig-signing-move

The deal: Three years, $18 million
Grade: B-

I often argue that teams should pursue backup quarterbacks who look and play like their starters. There's a little bit of Baker Mayfield in Keenum. Like Mayfield, Keenum had his success in college as an Air Raid quarterback. Like Mayfield, Keenum is undersized for the position at 6-foot-1. And like Mayfield, Keenum had a year that made the current Browns braintrust think they could go a long way with him at quarterback.

Of course, that one year -- 2017 -- serves as a huge outlier for Keenum's career, when he took over for an injured Sam Bradford and pushed the Vikings all the way to the NFC Championship Game. Over the ensuing two years in Denver and Washington, Keenum has been stuck in bad situations. The Broncos had a terrible offensive line, and Washington saw Keenum as a stopgap after ownership decided to draft Dwayne Haskins.


Browns coach Kevin Stefanski was the quarterbacks coach in Minnesota with Keenum in 2017, so it's no surprise that the Browns targeted Keenum to serve as the backup behind Mayfield. Keenum is just good enough to give the Browns a chance to win if Mayfield gets hurt and just uninteresting enough to avoid shaking Mayfield's confidence. That's exactly the line you want to tow with your backup quarterback.

Tyrod Taylor was no longer a challenger once Baker Mayfield started some games. He was a backup. He was also a free agent.

We traded a third round pick for Tyrod Taylor. He started three games and made $16 million.

You're being way too kind... TT's challenge to Baker was over before he left the pop-up tent.

May be. Baker also doesn't have the same type of investment in him with the new crew as he did with the old crew. So if what you are saying is indeed correct, I would expect any "me or him" talk to be snuffed out pretty quickly by Stefanski.

Just sayin'...

I don't think anything depends on whether or not Baker listens to Keenum. If Baker continues to be Baker, and if he continues with the same attitude that took him from walk-on to Heisman winner, the kid is going to be fantastic in this league and will have a terrific season (if we get that far).

I still think some fans have a misconception of Baker that isn't true and will say things like he needs to work harder or is too immature to fit their agenda, when in fact they have no proof otherwise.

Lol. Talk about agendas.

Hue - worst coach in NFL history
Haley - an arrogant arse that tried to sabotage his HC
Freddie - a woefully unprepared one and done HC
TT - a mediocre at best qb that was hired as a stopgap
Drew - a backup qb with little talent...if Baker didn't listen to him, it was probably a good thing, lol.

Satisfactory. Backup QB that can play. Decent insurance as far as backups can be lumped under insurance.

Any evaluations for us on his play? I think he is a solid pickup.

I fixed it for you.

Not surprisingly, some folks are still defending Baker and his antics, after having one of the worst years in a long, long time at the qb position.

And then they try and make fun of others.

You can't make this stuff up.

Dang, Vers! You're not just getting up there in years, you're an antique...

A Browns fan before it was cool.

I'm trying to keep things to football .... and I don't know if you are lumping me in with that comment because I said Hue is the 2nd worst and Freddie the worst HC in NFL history (which are probably both true statements) .... what I find frustrating is that you seem to be the only poster in pure football that comments as much about what others do or don't post as you do just talking football. I seriously don't get it. If someone I don't think has a high football iq posts nonsense, I don't respond. It's easy. But then what happens is that later in a thread if I don't or others don't respond to the idiot post I don't agree with, it get's used against me if I comment on a different post by someone who I do think has football smarts. It's like a never ending merry go round.

If he needs to play, you'll be happier about it.

Why should any fans care what a player is making? Unless one fancies them selves as the GM or something ... in which case they need to step down from off of their high horse.

Just give us a team that we can all root for.

Too bad that guy just rolled his eyes and couldn't run an offense.

Personally I think he could have run a really good offense - he chose not to in an effort to undermine Hue and was looking to be the HC himself. . . . just my opinion.

While I won't dismiss that as being wrong, I do find it pretty far fetched. My reasoning is a s follows. The vast majority of the time when a HC gets fired, the entire staff gets fired and a new HC from outside the organization gets brought in.

If that was his tactic, it was a pretty long shot gamble.

JC...I'm just glad we didnt sign Chase Daniel, Keenum is a good back up with experience...and obviously the connection to our staffing made sense.

Agreed. Case could be the backup here for a very, very very long time.

That damn Lindley. I'm still pissed with him.

Didn't Baker want both Freddie and Lindley?

Sure...Baker flexed Dorsey's muscles and got what he wanted.

I'm sorry. My above quote was incorrect. I thought I read that, but I was mistaken. I apologize if I mislead anyone and this is a clarification post:



That is an excerpt from here: https://sanduskyregister.com/news/27343/...ith-maturation/


Clearly, I was wrong. I'm sorry. I believe in speaking the truth and I was wrong in this particular situation.

This is a great signing.

I won't be suprised if he ends up playing much sooner than expected.

Mayfield has questions around heart and desire...He came into camp last year over weight, you could tell he didn't work on his craft.

Mayfield has all the tools, but does he have the disipline and the desire to want to be great and put in the work to do so? thats the question. Im not talking about coming to camps, etc...im talking 2 weeks after the season is done the kid is back to 8 hours a day in the film room studying and working to get better...I question if Mayfield is that kinda guy...hopefully last year makes him realize he needs to be.

If things go south, I won't be surprised if Stephanski turns to his friend Keenum whom he knows and probably trusts. He signed with us very quickly.

I guess we will see. Hopefully last year was an abberation for Mayfield and he bounces back I just want to win and hopefully he can pull off.

That's a big negative.


A post like this should be deleted for lies.

I was not one of the biggest supporters of us drafting Baker, but even then I would never question his heart and desire.

He must have been hiding that heart last year under the weight gain.

It was really nice watching all his commercials while he stunk on the field....exactly what you want out of your QB. I get NFL isn't long career for most, but come on- he had his priorities wrong. Early success gave him that Johnny "Money" feel, I'm going to tear this league up....WRONG...hope he turns over a new leaf.....GO Browns!!!!

It's not like they were filmed live every time you saw them. The commercials probably took less than a week in the offseason combined.

There are plenty of things to complain about. The fact that the guy made a few commercials isn't really one of them.

Like everyone else, players shouldn't have people getting upset that they're making money while they can.

Commercials make great times to leave the tv for food, drinks etc, anyways. You don't have to stick around and watch them repeatedly.

It should be nice to have an adult (or 2, AVP and Keenum) in the QB room again.

I know Progressive said Baker's commercials took 2 days. I can't imagine that crappy Hulu commercial taking a half day. What am I missing? Did he do anything local in the Cleveland market?

Nope, not really.

I think some folks think he ducks out of the huddle to climb into the commercial booth between plays, or something.

I think the overarching point of Baker not taking the offseason seriously enough is true enough... but the commercial thing is way overblown.

I think it's just a small ingredient in the overall picture of priorities.

Agreed. It was what, 2 days of filming?

And this is for the guy drafted #1.. to be the face of a franchise. I'd say setting aside time for commercials and public events IS among the priorities and responsibilities of the position.