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Originally Posted By: oobernoober
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Originally Posted By: PitDAWG
You've already admited that many Bernie supporters won't vote for Biden. So quit absolving your bros as part of the problem here. #tantrum


Your constant resolve to attack any negative posts about Biden is your only response? And you think I'm the one making excuses for people. smh

Here's the thing, I don't have control over what anyone else does so it's ridiculous of you to lay the blame at my feet. I've already told you I will vote for Biden if he is the one facing Trump, what more could you possibly want? Do you think I have to be silent on everything Biden to satisfy your childish need to confirm your political stance? Don't be that guy.


IMO, The Hill ain't no Breitbart. I'll at least read or hear what they have to say, if suspiciously. I do think, however, it's very curious how little attention this is getting. After the Kavanaugh episode, you would think MSM would at least take a look. I mean, there isn't much of a difference, right? Hell, Biden was in office when this allegedy took place.


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It's gotten to the point nobody wants to respond to you anymore.


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Uh, Oober asked you and OCD a question, why do you ignore him?

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I know, see how childish the name calling is. We are all dems.

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I'm not the one trying to push a narrative to divide the supporters.


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He didn't ask me. He was not responding to me. Try covering up for Trump and his 20 accusers.


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Originally Posted By: 40YEARSWAITING
Uh, Oober asked you and OCD a question, why do you ignore him?
I already stated it should be investigated, what else do you want? That's why Pit is busting my balls. He thinks it's a Bernie bro thing... smh

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Originally Posted By: PitDAWG
I'm not the one trying to push a narrative to divide the supporters.
Divide supporters? You mean Bernie supporters or Biden supporters because last i heard there are two candidate still.

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Both. And embolden Trump supporters.

And technically there are still two in the race. But only because the primaries have been postponed. If not for that it would already be over.


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So there should be no investigations or Hearings for Biden's sexual assault of this woman?

This woman is automatically lying because it is Biden?

MSM should just look the other way?

Interesting.

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I didn't say that. I mean Kavenaugh, right?


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The last thing we need is more hearings so maybe Bernie is the better candidate.

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Originally Posted By: PitDAWG
Both. And embolden Trump supporters.

And technically there are still two in the race. But only because the primaries have been postponed. If not for that it would already be over.


Well at least you admit it's not over. Until it's decided, Bernie is still in it.

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Originally Posted By: 40YEARSWAITING
The last thing we need is more hearings so maybe Bernie is the better candidate.
Hearings or not, Bernie IS the better candidate. A lot of people wishing they could vote again right now too.

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Originally Posted By: OldColdDawg
Hearings or not, Bernie IS the better candidate. A lot of people wishing they could vote again right now too.


rofl


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j/c

I'm wondering if there would be a way to change this thread title to "Pit Vs. Oldcold"?

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I think you're given that option when you make a post of it would make you feel better.


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JC

Blah, blah, blah, blah... blah, blah, blah... blah, blah, blah.

That is all.


HERE WE GO BROWNIES! HERE WE GO!!
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Thanks for your insight.


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Originally Posted By: FATE
JC

Blah, blah, blah, blah... blah, blah, blah... blah, blah, blah.

That is all.



Wisest thing yet said.

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And you posted on this thread too.

rofl


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Whoa...........I never knew that!!

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Think of all the things you missed learning while you had me blocked!

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I think you and Pit may both be wrong.

It won't be Bernie.
It won't be Biden.

Have you noticed the media pumping, the daily press conferences, the presentation of appearing Presidential...

Of Governor Cuomo?

That is where I believe the DNC will take the Convention.

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I'm already tired of his long ass mansplaining every little move. Are New Yorkers slow on the uptake or something?

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Originally Posted By: PitDAWG
It's not the source, unless of course there aren't other sources spreading the story.


"Go right to the source and ask the horse,
He'll give you the answer that you'll endorse
He's always on a steady course
Talk to Mr. Piiiit"



No dog in this hunt... just decided to freestyle something in the moment.


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Too much time on your hands...

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Are you even sure Bernie and Biden are still running for Prez???

All I see on tv is Trump, Trump and more Trump! thumbsup

In these troubled times we should consider suspending elections for a few years. thumbsup

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Such a troll. I wish Trump would try to suspend the presidential election. The y'all could have your right left civil war you want.

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People are seeing Trump every day. The problem is, they're hearing him too.


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Trump thinks these press conferences are good for him like his rallies... he doesn't realize that normal people and not just zealots have tuned into his press conferences.

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Originally Posted By: 40YEARSWAITING
Are you even sure Bernie and Biden are still running for Prez???

All I see on tv is Trump, Trump and more Trump! thumbsup

In these troubled times we should consider suspending elections for a few years. thumbsup


I 2nd that ... thumbsup




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I think it's great he's getting free air time every day to prove to anyone who had any doubts of what a total idiot he is.

Yesterday he was rattling on about Comey and McCabe again. The day before he put the My Pillow guy out there.

It's an ongoing three ring circus.


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DURING THE EVENING NEWS HOURS! LMAO rofl

Basically State TV. CNN only showed the experts yesterday. Didn't cover Trump talking.

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Originally Posted By: DiamDawg
Originally Posted By: 40YEARSWAITING
Are you even sure Bernie and Biden are still running for Prez???

All I see on tv is Trump, Trump and more Trump! thumbsup

In these troubled times we should consider suspending elections for a few years. thumbsup


I 2nd that ... thumbsup


Democratic National Convention postponed to August due to coronavirus concerns

It Begins. thumbsup

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Nobody is going to let Trump cancel the election.

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Trump’s biggest 2020 pitch disintegrates

In just weeks, the president’s challenge has morphed from building on his predecessor’s economic record to rebuilding his own.

The fundamental pillars of Donald Trump’s presidency — a hot economy, strong job growth and a rocking stock market — are all being smashed to splinters by the ravaging coronavirus, which has shuttered much of the nation and now officially ended a streak of 113 months of job gains dating back to the end of the Great Recession a decade ago.

The latest numbers out Friday showed a loss of 701,000 jobs in March and the unemployment rate rising to 4.4 percent from a 50-year low of 3.5 percent. But the figures, though higher than expected, were just a small taste of the nightmare ahead. Friday’s numbers covered just the first two weeks of March, before many of the lockdowns and layoffs began.

The nation has seen 10 million new jobless claims over just the last two weeks, obliterating previous records and suggesting the unemployment rate is already above 10 percent, eclipsing the highest point of the Great Recession.

It will almost certainly go significantly higher, with some economists warning it could top the 24.9 percent hit during the Great Depression. April’s jobs numbers, due in early May, could show a staggering and historic loss of up to 15 million jobs or perhaps more, many forecasters say.

The coronavirus outbreak was obviously not Trump’s fault, though many criticize the speed of the administration’s response as the president publicly downplayed the threat for months. But that does not change the stark reality that all the job gains on Trump’s watch are now gone.

The impact of his chief legislative achievement — a big tax-cut bill heavily focused on corporations — is now moot after mostly delivering stock buybacks and dividend payments rather than a boom in corporate investment. Perhaps the big increase in corporate investment would have eventually materialized. But now we will never know.

Economic growth is dropping off a cliff, with estimates for a first-quarter decline of around 4 percent and a second-quarter plunge of 25 percent or more. Stocks have crashed around 30 percent since setting record highs in February. Oil prices are tanking, which means cheap gas but also a massive hit to the energy sector, slamming red states the hardest and undermining Trump’s boast of America’s energy dominance.

Trump will head into reelection as the economy struggles to dig out of a deep recession that some economists fear could become a depression. The pieces are in place for Trump to wind up like Herbert Hoover, who saw his presidency destroyed by the Depression and his response. Trump’s challenge will be to quickly reverse that impression by rallying Republicans to enact even more deficit-fueled spending and social programs, forcing the president to appear more like Franklin D. Roosevelt and less like the smaller-government conservatives who helped fuel his rise to the White House.

“The economic and social underpinnings of the Trump era are giving way to the economic logic of pandemics,” said Joseph Brusuelas, chief economist at financial firm RSM U.S. “In a clear-eyed, sober assessment, if on November 3, 2020 there are more than 100,000 dead and the unemployment rate is at 15 percent, Trump is not going to get reelected. We could resurrect George Washington and Thomas Jefferson and I doubt they could survive that either.”

There are other possible outcomes, of course.

If efforts to restrain the growth of the virus succeed quickly and if an effective vaccine is discovered sooner than expected, then perhaps the economy can recover faster than many expect. The Trump administration, Congress and the Federal Reserve moved relatively quickly to pump trillions of dollars into the economy to stem the flood of layoffs and push money into the pockets of millions of Americans — potentially creating conditions for a sharp, V-shaped bounce-back in the economy.

Some of those efforts — especially emergency loans to small businesses — are off to a rocky start with many large banks like JPMorgan Chase saying the rules are not clear enough for them to start making loans. It also may take weeks for millions of Americans to get their direct cash stimulus payments.

But the president is nothing if not a master of reframing the narrative in any way he deems helpful. And early positive poll numbers for his handling of the virus — though now fading — suggest there is at least the possibility that he could campaign as the president who beat back the virus and got the economy moving forward again after taking such a massive punch to the face. But that requires an awful lot of things to go remarkably — if not impossibly — right. And thus far that has not happened.

“He can still resurrect his agenda — if the virus tapers off by summer,” said Gregory Valliere, chief U.S. policy strategist at AGF investments. “But he’s in danger of losing in November, and the risks are growing daily. The public will not give him high grades for anticipating and dealing with this crisis. But he’s a master salesman and could spin a story by October that things are turning around. But the Democrats’ ads will just keep repeating his dismissive comments on the virus from this March.”

Other analysts note that Trump’s odds of winning in online betting markets have actually risen during the coronavirus crisis. And the nation is now so polarized — and Trump’s base support so solid — that the presidential election will likely be close no matter what happens with the economy.

“He can certainly win if this turns into a fast recovery and he can point to an improving trend and take credit for it,” said Scott Clemons, chief investment strategist at Brown Brothers Harriman. “And he can make the argument, which has been made before, that ‘How do you fire a war-time president in the middle of the fight?’”

The question is whether it appears that Trump is a war time president who is losing the fight.

Most economists suggest the economic hit from the coronavirus will be vastly higher in the April jobs report, due out on May 8. That figure is likely to send shock waves through Washington and Wall Street and underscore the challenge Trump faces in avoiding a Hoover-style loss in November.

“Given the close to 10 million initial claims for unemployment insurance the economy will lose closer to 15 million jobs in next month’s report for April,” said Mark Zandi, chief economist at Moody’s Analytics. “The economic damage is due to the business shutdowns across the country necessary to contain the virus. GDP is over one-fourth lower today as a result of the impact of the fallout.”

Trump and other White House advisers have regularly lamented that the economy was booming before the coronavirus hit and should have set up the president for a strong run to reelection. They now know that the president’s future depends on a quick decline in new coronavirus cases and a fast snap back in the economy in the second half of the year.

Trump himself has cycled between bitter clashes with Democrats and state governors over the virus response and high-minded calls for the country to unite and fight back together.

“The American spirit is unyielding, unwavering and unbreakable,“ the president said this week. “It is incredible. I have never seen anything like it, the way — the way the people have pulled together, the unity of this country.“

And he predicted a dramatic rebound later this year, before his electoral fate is determined, supported by a fourth aid package to support the coronavirus response. “I think we are going to have a tremendous rebound and there’s a great energy and a great pent-up demand and as you know 'phase three' was terrific and 'phase four' if that happens will be great,“ Trump predicted.

There are significant hurdles to making Trump’s rebound scenario occur. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, said Thursday that the federal government should impose a nationwide stay-at-home order to help prevent the spread of the coronavirus. That could help on the health front but would cause even more near-term economic pain.

“I don't understand why that‘s not happening,“ Fauci told CNN on a national stay-at-home order. “If you look at what's going on in this country, I just don't understand why we're not doing that. We really should be."

And as of now there is little agreement in Congress on what exactly a phase four federal relief package would look like. Trump wants $2 trillion in infrastructure spending. Senator Mitch McConnell has said he wants to wait to see the impact of Phase 3 before considering a new package. And Democrats led by House Speaker Nancy Pelosi have a long list of demands including more aid for states, localities and individuals that Republicans may oppose.

The brutal numbers expected in coming months could rally Washington to come up with another big, bipartisan rescue package. But by then it may be too late to boost Trump’s electoral prospects.

“If economists and the markets see a light at the end of the tunnel this fall, maybe Trump has a chance,” said Valliere. “But much will depend on whether we’ll get a quick recovery, and that’s far from certain. A more likely scenario is a modest, halting recovery that may not accelerate until early next year. But that would be too late for Trump.”

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/04/03/trump-economic-record-coronavirus-163076

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I really hate anything that ties Trump - election - economy - virus together at the moment. While I think Trump has handled this crisis in a grossly negligent fashion and has made the situation worse. . . . it's only by slight degrees worse . . . my issue with his handling of the situation is that you want the POTUS to be smart or listen to smart people, instead of changing his opinion every 2 days and making things worse, I want/hope for a POTUS who would respond like DeWine.

With that said and back to the Trump/economy/election/virus ... no matter who was in office the market was going to tank. And while Trump's re-election may well of hinged on the economy being strong - because the economy is not strong isn't the grounds for his removal ... his idiocy, ego, narcissism, countless lies and many many other issues are the reason he should not be re-elected. Continue to focus on that. Use his inept handling of the Virus - but why tie it all back to the economy which would have happened regardless of who was in power.


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This article is the antithesis of the story being told months ago about Trump riding the economy into a second term. This is now Trump's economy regardless of the cause or causes. What he does economically from here on out will most likely be too little too late for his campaign to claim victory. Obviously I don't blame him for COVID-19, just his lack of leadership in the aftermath of it's arrival on our shores.

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