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The question I had last year - and still have - is why not stay with Haley's offense that worked so well in 2018 over the last 10-12 games? You can't be an offensive genius running someone else's offense.
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The question I had last year - and still have - is why not stay with Haley's offense that worked so well in 2018 over the last 10-12 games? You can't be an offensive genius running someone else's offense. So, ego trumps proven results.
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The question I had last year - and still have - is why not stay with Haley's offense that worked so well in 2018 over the last 10-12 games? You can't be an offensive genius running someone else's offense. So, ego trumps proven results. I haven't heard a better explanation.
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Earlier, someone said that Baker had a better rookie year than Watson and I believe that was accepted as the truth. But, is it?
I believe neither began the season as a starter. Watson suffered a knee injury that cut his season short. But, I remember he was pretty dynamic when he took over. Similar to Baker.
Some stats:
QB Rate:
Watson: 103.0
Baker: 93.7
QBR:
Watson: 83.6
Baker: 53.2
TD %:
Watson: 9.3
Baker: 5.6
Interception %:
Watson: 3.9
Baker: 2.9
Completion %:
Watson: 61.8
Baker: 63.8
Record:
Watson: 3-3
Baker: 6-7 [Note, officially Baker had 5 wins as a starter, but everyone knows he won the Jets game, so I added that.]
I don't know if it is accurate to say Baker had a better rookie year. Some might say it was a "misleading" statement, but I doubt it. LOL
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The question I had last year - and still have - is why not stay with Haley's offense that worked so well in 2018 over the last 10-12 games? You can't be an offensive genius running someone else's offense. So, ego trumps proven results. I haven't heard a better explanation. Seriously, who cares at this point?
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So now we wait on Jameis and Cam, right?
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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I just signed back on not too long ago. Did Dalton sign somewhere?
I wonder if Cam is going to have a hard time finding a team who wants him?
Winston? I still think he would be good in Pittsburgh as their backup. Mason and the Duck dude suck.
Who is NE going to roll with?
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Yeah I forgot about Dalton as well
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Brady to the Buc's.
Never would have believed it. Really.
So Kessler and Stidham are the QB's now in NE.
Interesting to see this all plays out
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Brady, at this particular point in his career, doesn't seem like a BA type of QB. But man, the Bucs have some weapons. Not as good as the Browns.........but close.
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Wouldn't it be a fun story if Belichick signs Winston and says.........."okay, let's see who the real man was in NE?"
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Wouldn't it be a fun story if Belichick signs Winston and says.........."okay, let's see who the real man was in NE?" Bill is petty, but not that obvious about it. He'd probably want to, just to show it to everyone that he could probably win more than Brady will in TB, but I think he's playing the long game (beating the Bills, Dolphins and Jets, not worrying about beating Brady's win total).
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Updated odds to be the Patriots starting QB for Week 1 of the 2020 season (BetOnline):
Jarrett Stidham +175
Cam Newton +200
Andy Dalton +375
Jameis Winston +700
Nick Foles +750
Derek Carr +1200
Jacoby Brissett +1200
Jimmy Garoppolo +2500
Cody Kessler +3300
Joe Flacco +3300
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Of those choices, Dalton seems to make the most sense. I am not saying that he is the favorite, but if I were BB, I would go w/Dalton.
Of course, I sure as hell am not as smart as BB.
I do want to add this, though. New England's recent moves in the draft, trades, and FA haven't exactly been stellar.
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Updated odds to be the Patriots starting QB for Week 1 of the 2020 season (BetOnline):
Jarrett Stidham +175
Cam Newton +200
Andy Dalton +375
Jameis Winston +700
Nick Foles +750
Derek Carr +1200
Jacoby Brissett +1200
Jimmy Garoppolo +2500
Cody Kessler +3300
Joe Flacco +3300 In Belichick's shoes I'd take Dalton all day every day from that list. Of course - no idea how much of a love fest Bill has for Stidham... Actually I'd take Jimmy, then Carr then Dalton - but the first two aren't options really.
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I think Brissett would be a good bet given those odds
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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You could be right about that. I was thinking he was probably their second best choice after Dalton.
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Actually, I wouldn't be surprised at all with Jameis.
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Earlier, someone said that Baker had a better rookie year than Watson and I believe that was accepted as the truth. But, is it?
I believe neither began the season as a starter. Watson suffered a knee injury that cut his season short. But, I remember he was pretty dynamic when he took over. Similar to Baker.
Some stats:
QB Rate:
Watson: 103.0
Baker: 93.7
QBR:
Watson: 83.6
Baker: 53.2
TD %:
Watson: 9.3
Baker: 5.6
Interception %:
Watson: 3.9
Baker: 2.9
Completion %:
Watson: 61.8
Baker: 63.8
Record:
Watson: 3-3
Baker: 6-7 [Note, officially Baker had 5 wins as a starter, but everyone knows he won the Jets game, so I added that.]
I don't know if it is accurate to say Baker had a better rookie year. Some might say it was a "misleading" statement, but I doubt it. LOL
Did you really just post that passive-aggressive BS and NOT include TD passes thrown nor red-zone efficiency?  Or mention that the FIRST time Baker took snaps from the starting center he overcame the worst head coach in history to snap his team's 19 game losing streak? Misleading? Yeah...you are quite adept at that. My goodness.
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Did you really just post that passive-aggressive BS and NOT include TD passes thrown nor red-zone efficiency? No, it's an illusion.
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I don't get the whole thing?
I tried to imagine the Brady, BB, and Kraft conversation.
Came out thinking Tom Wanted out. Any reasons would just be a guess coming from me.
So, he leaves takes TB. Why didn't Rivers sign a two year with NE?
He goes to the Colts?
Winston? That would be something if he ended up in NE.
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HERE WE GO BROWNIES! HERE WE GO!!
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j/c:
Are people really debating which qb stats matter the most? Seriously? The Fabulous Baker Boys are a laugh a minute!
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Are people really debating which qb stats matter the most? Seriously? The Fabulous Baker Boys are a laugh a minute!
Why not? You did it. Or are you saying you didn't cherry pick stats and your post tells the whole story?
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Never said it told the entire story. I picked the most relevant stats that experts use when evaluating qbs. Let me guess.............I'm "lying" about that. I really need to go back to not responding to guys like you and Fate. It's hard not to because you make so much crap up, but damn man.............I'm going down to the same level y'all are at. Good night, device. Hope you are safe in these troubled times. Edit: I could make several predictions about reactions to what I just said, but this is my immediate favorite: jfan: This is the funniest post I have ever read. 
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j/c:
Are people really debating which qb stats matter the most? Seriously? The Fabulous Baker Boys are a laugh a minute! That is maybe the weakest ish you have ever responded with...and that is saying a lot. Do you not understand how many stats you responded with previously?
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Never said it told the entire story. I picked the most relevant stats that experts use when evaluating qbs. Let me guess.............I'm "lying" about that. I really need to go back to not responding to guys like you and Fate. It's hard not to because you make so much crap up, but damn man.............I'm going down to the same level y'all are at. Good night, device. Hope you are safe in these troubled times. Edit: I could make several predictions about reactions to what I just said, but this is my immediate favorite: jfan: This is the funniest post I have ever read. Put down the shovel.
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The stats I listed are the primary stats that are used to evaluate qbs. Jesus!
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Either quit digging the misleading hole you are digging or stop shoveling out the BS...either way...just put it down.
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Yo oober.................any comments on who is being "misleading?"
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Good night, device. Hope you are safe in these troubled times. I hope you are safe as well.
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Updated odds to be the Patriots starting QB for Week 1 of the 2020 season (BetOnline):
Jarrett Stidham +175
Cam Newton +200
Andy Dalton +375
Jameis Winston +700
Nick Foles +750
Derek Carr +1200
Jacoby Brissett +1200
Jimmy Garoppolo +2500
Cody Kessler +3300
Joe Flacco +3300
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On NFLN they actually were discussing Kessler as an outside shot at being the starter ... I was laughing
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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If he gets one more year under his belt, he vests in the NFL pension plan. He's a backup...always was...always will be. Not a bad gig.
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I want Brady to take TB to the Super Bowl so much now.
Especially since the SB is in Tampa this season.
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I’d like TB to play NE in the super bowl ... of course, only if WE don’t make it
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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I want Brady to take TB to the Super Bowl so much now.
Especially since the SB is in Tampa this season. I'm a huge Brady fan. Hope he kills it in TB.
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Foles to the Bears for a 4th rounder. link
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