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Although I have a feeling that if 1 of those 3 are there at 10, we are going to trade down.

I’m kinda hoping one of the QBs fall to us and the Raiders get antsy

Yeah, Gettleman has already let it be known that he is willing to move down.

LOL.....Of course, that is ground-breaking news. That dude is such a clown.

Right there!

Yes, but he forgot that Detroit is in play @3.

Does he really think that he can sucker Miami into thinking they will go QB? *L*

What are you talking about? He's trying to auction off the RB who's the best player in the class, otherwise he's going to take him himself.

Or a few more. It also pressures some teams to trade-up. We might be in a pivotal sport where we can trade down just 3-4 slots and still get one of our top 1st round targets and add something else.

But if Simmons is there, we best take him. Everything is for sale, so if we do, it better be a darn good price. I would tell them Simmons is my player. Don't talk to me about draft value charts. He is my player and you are wanting to trade for my all-pro player. Your 1st this year and next, and that solid starting guard you have is a good place to start.

I like that line of thinking, to bad this FO will trade it for a 4th next year and a box of skittles.

I do not follow college ball as much as most of you guys, and certainly not up on potential draftees. So this is more of a question than anything else...Simmons is listed as a LB mostly. Just in looking at him, if he were to line up as an OLB against my O, I would run right at him and let him try and deal with a pulling OL all day long. LB in the NFL neds to take on the run on the edge. People thnk he can set the edge, or is this guy really a SS?

If the consensus is he is someone who can play "all over the place," then aren't there concerns that he is a jack of all trades master of none kind of player? Drafted in the top 10?

Jack of all trades, master of a couple.

That is a good post. You raise valid concerns.

I haven't been following this draft all that closely, either. So, I am no expert on it.

I think Simmons' value is that you can utilize him in multiple ways. You might play him at SS one play, then put him at edge on another, and then as a zone coverage guy the next play. You might play him at Will the next play and let him cover the TE. You might use him as a spy on QBs like Lamar and R. Wilson.

I don't know if he will be good or not. He just has a fairly unique ability to play multiple positions and play them well.

I think Simmons is an uber talented freak of and athlete. Regardless if where he plays he will be an above average to good player. But if he winds up on a team with a smart creative defensive coordinator then he could be something special.

Take Troy Polamalu, if you try to make him play a traditional SS role then he would have been just an average player. But Dick LeBeau was able to use his unique skills in creative and innovative ways allowing Troy to become one of the greatest of all time.

JMO

Good take.

I think that Simmons would have been perfect for last year's "3 Safety" defense.

I do think that he is the perfect type of player to handle the running QBs in today's game.

Sound reasoning sounds solid!

I like him because speed and a little coaching can forgive a lot on the field. Just assigning him to a QB at times or making him part of a stunt and moving him around seems like great football to me where he can potentially contribute to almost every snap.

Ahem.. any of you dweebs notice that the Lions picked up Jamie Collins?

He's an OLB. Any immediate need they have for an OLB is likely eliminated. I think they go Okuda or try to create a Tua bidding war at 3. I see only the Panthers or the Jags standing between us and Simmons who will get pushed down by virtue of the Lions / Collins move..

Simmons would be a great get for the Browns.

Simmons is that type of talent where the offense
Has to be aware of him every play.
That's special in my book. Ultra rare traits.
Can you imagine on 3rd and 9..
He can line up on the outside boundry. Force the the X to the sideline
He can line up in the slot. Off the edge
Middle backer and shoot the a b gaps.

For me it’s either OT or Simmons ... no other options at 10. I don’t think Simmons slips, but if he would ... you turn in the card and have him be our disruptor for 10 years

To have any chance at a successful season, we need to add an impactful player to the D. It would be great if we could get Simmons and he could be that guy.

Otherwise, it's going to be a long season.

The D is putrid.

People will balk at the money, but I want to add Clowney and then get Simmons.

I wonder what it wound take to get Clowney?

Cutting:
Vernon = 15.5 million
Hubbard = 4.8 million

Suh is available as well .. and would work as a tackle. He was played out of position last year as a 3/4 DE

My guess is Clowney is looking to be the highest paid defensive player ever. That means more than $60 million guaranteed.

I would add in Derrick Brown DT Auburn if he were to fall.
Big run stopping DT but not just a stuff the middle guy, disruptive in the run game. He also gets penetratoin against the pass. Total defensive stud.

I agree on Derrick Brown.

I like Simmons as well. It wouldn't surprise me if we moved up to get him.

So doing the math ... if we want one of the four OTs, Brown, or Simmons ... it means that we have to hope 4 other people are selected in the top 10

Burrow
Chase Young
Okudah
Tua

If those 4 are selected, we will get at least one of those 6 guys

I think that is pretty much a slam dunk to happen.

The problem for me is I don't think all 4 of the OT are top 10 talent. I think Whirfs and Becton fall out of that range. But that is JMO. I just don't think LT is as important as it was several years ago. The QB position has changed in a big way. When that happens, all others follow.

Todays breed of QB don't stand in there making multiple reads. Few have been required to do that. Make the deep read first, then look second, then roll to buy some time or run the ball. Most QB's are right handed, so they roll away from the LT. Some QB's today may not even look at the second read before they make their break right, then make something happen.

It is what it is. I talked about this 10-15 years ago. Things evolve. As they do, other things do as well in reaction to the change.

I agree Peen...

I want either Simmons, Brown, or Thomas. Anyone else I'm ehhh on..

I like Simmons. IF FA has been good enough for us, I say spend whatever to get Simmons and a tackle. Trading up for these makes sense to me.

And my guess is that ... that ship has sailed.

When Healthy Vernon is a Much Better Overall Player Than Clowney ... JMHO

I like Vernon, (more so than most) but his age and availability are a factor together with his cap hit.

If we can guarantee Vernon is healthy, he’s worth the money. Of course, we cant guarantee that with anyone lol

j/c:

Clowney and Myles would be ridiculous. Who do you double/chip/etc? Clowney might not have the sacks, but sacks are misleading. Does he effect plays? Yes, Clowney does.

I feel like Vernon is underrated on here in some quarters, but Clowney's better.

and Clowney is just as much of a beast against the run, too.

He would be stupid-expensive, but probably worth it - and our DLine would be terrifying. Hell, even keep Vernon and work rotations to keep them fresh, and or do some funky stuff with all three out there. Vernon is all cash for this year, so why not?

I'd offer Clowney a shorter term deal that gets him to free agency in 3 or 4 years and give him the $20M/year that he is looking for... frontloaded.