CAVALIERS Cleveland Browns rookie Baker Mayfield 'not a QB guru' kind of guy Cleveland Browns rookie Baker Mayfield is "not a quarterback guru" kind of guy. Author: Matthew Florjancic Published: 3:52 PM EDT May 14, 2018 Updated: 3:56 PM EDT May 14, 2018
CLEVELAND -- Plenty of prospective NFL quarterbacks and those already in the league spend offseasons honing their skills with so-called “quarterback gurus,” but Cleveland Browns rookie Baker Mayfield is not that kind of a player.
Instead of going across the country to work with different coaches, Mayfield is focused on maximizing his potential and learning the playbook now in an effort to be prepared for the start of training camp, which gets underway in late July.
“I’m not a ‘QB guru’ kind of guy,” Mayfield said. “I don’t think you can reinvent the wheel. I think the ones that have been through it and have played the game are the ones that I would bounce the most questions off of, but for me, it’s about perfecting my craft, and so, I need to learn this playbook.
“It’s not about going somewhere on a beach for a beach workout. It’s about learning this playbook, being able to play in weather and being with my teammates.”
I hope the objective posters will take note of who is calling whom a liar and who is actually providing evidence. I also hope they recognize that a guy like me is not calling out posters who are offering their "opinions" on Baker, such as him throwing w/anticipation and reading coverages as a rookie. I let that crap slide.
But, I hope folks realize who is twisting words around, calling others liars, and not playing fairly.
On the above podcast Jake Burns and Jake Trotter talk about the off-season moves. Trotter says he has known Case Keenum and people around Case Keenum for a long time, he used to be a college football reporter, and that Keenum will be a perfect fit with Baker Mayfield.
CAVALIERS Cleveland Browns rookie Baker Mayfield 'not a QB guru' kind of guy Cleveland Browns rookie Baker Mayfield is "not a quarterback guru" kind of guy. Author: Matthew Florjancic Published: 3:52 PM EDT May 14, 2018 Updated: 3:56 PM EDT May 14, 2018
CLEVELAND -- Plenty of prospective NFL quarterbacks and those already in the league spend offseasons honing their skills with so-called “quarterback gurus,” but Cleveland Browns rookie Baker Mayfield is not that kind of a player.
Instead of going across the country to work with different coaches, Mayfield is focused on maximizing his potential and learning the playbook now in an effort to be prepared for the start of training camp, which gets underway in late July.
“I’m not a ‘QB guru’ kind of guy,” Mayfield said. “I don’t think you can reinvent the wheel. I think the ones that have been through it and have played the game are the ones that I would bounce the most questions off of, but for me, it’s about perfecting my craft, and so, I need to learn this playbook.
“It’s not about going somewhere on a beach for a beach workout. It’s about learning this playbook, being able to play in weather and being with my teammates.”
I hope the objective posters will take note of who is calling whom a liar and who is actually providing evidence. I also hope they recognize that a guy like me is not calling out posters who are offering their "opinions" on Baker, such as him throwing w/anticipation and reading coverages as a rookie. I let that crap slide.
But, I hope folks realize who is twisting words around, calling others liars, and not playing fairly.
What you posted in green is light years away from what you have contended over and over about Baker.
Yes. Now that you post that I do remember that now. So for that I apologize. Congratulations? However, he did say his biggest concern at the time was learning the playbook. I never questioned the beach comment, but that's silly anyway.
With that said, you also said,
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It worries me that Baker has this thing about not working w/a qb coach on footwork and throwing the ball.
Which is false. There's a video circulating these boards showing Baker working on his footwork and throwing the football. So he is working on his craft, as directed by his "QB coach."
And sorry, this...
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I also hope they recognize that a guy like me is not calling out posters who are offering their "opinions" on Baker
... made me chuckle. All you do is call out other posters.
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But, I hope folks realize who is twisting words around, calling others liars, and not playing fairly.
I wouldn't worry too much about, or read too much into, past comments made under the old staff.
With new leadership - and apparently, REAL leadership, as the Head Coach, I think Baker is going to have expectations set for him and what he likes and doesn't like isn't going to matter as much as him getting done what is expected of him. This is his job, his career... it is not a "choose your own adventure" game, and I think this HC and FO have made that known.
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
I haven't hid the fact that I was prior to us drafting and of course after drafting him a big time fan of Baker. Not because I'm a fan boy but because I saw the arm strength and accuracy that will make him a special QB within a system that we get under our belts...3rd one in 3 seasons but here goes.
What got my gaul was the insinuation that our OL was decent when I read articles now stating that our OL was known as one of the worst in the NFL and that our OTs especially were pretty bad. So I tell myself my defense of Baker is spot on, I of course have stated that the kid did not have a good year and that I saw consistently his passes go too high on his targets. I'm happy to hear that Ski has assessed his play and that some adjustment to his technique is needed.
Of course his "Haters" will tell you that he said he didn't need anyspecial Guru's help in the offseason. Well we are not asking him to go to a guru. Our QB coach, OC and especially our HC will be the ones coaching him up and making him better. What Baker stated prior to a coaching change is meaningless. Cause he has "ALWAYS"...ALWAYS been a coachable player throughout his career. What is quoted in a time when frustration was abound is meaningless in assessing our QBs character.
But when I hear somebody state that our OL was decent and should not be stated as a reason that put our QB in an uncomfortable position...well that was just pure ridiculous if you ask me. Now I'm reading
The biggest move Cleveland made was locking up former Titans right tackle Jack Conklin. The Browns had arguably one of the worst offensive lines last season, mostly because of poor play at the tackle positions.
I have yet read an article stating that Baker was not good despite the Excellent play of his OL like some have stated here.
So I get it where device has stated that its the "LIES" spoken about Baker that is upsetting to me at least - a player who I think is our savior for sure!
jmho
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I've tried to say that our pass blocking was better than our run blocking. I have said that the Brown's OL isn't as bad at pass blocking as some claim. I have said that Baker was part of the problem in regards to sacks/pressures. I have tried to say the OL certainly does need to get better. I don't think those are "lies."
This is like the 100th rendition of this conversation. Our Oline wasn't as bad as people make it seem, but they're nowhere near good enough. I look at the Steelers. Remember what they surrounded a rookie Ben R with? That's what we need to try to do with Baker. Even after rookie Ben R morphed into Big Ben, fQB... they still bolstered that Oline. Pouncey and DeCastro were drafted well after Ben was established as a top-tier QB.
If the Steelers can invest in their Oline when they have an established fQB, then we can do the same as Baker is getting his game up to NFL level.
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
I don't think anyone would disagree w/your take, oober. The problems occur when folks say that others like me are saying we have a great OL. I have never once said that. Also, I think it's wrong to say we have a terrible pass-blocking OL and insisting on saying people are telling lies to make Baker look bad.
Didn't Teller replace Kush as the starting RG during the season? I think Teller is still on the roster.
He's still on the roster.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
I asked the question because it was said that we have replaced three starters after the season.
And I want to go back to how this started. Someone said something about me claiming the OL was great last year. I never once said that. I said it wasn't as bad as some made it out to be. It was also said that we had the worst OL and/or one of the very worst OL's in football in regards to protecting Baker.
I used the PFF stats to support my claim that while they were not great, the OL was close to average in regards to pass blocking. We were not the worst pass blocking OL in the NFL last year.
Do you have the whole list for OL? I would be curious to see how many teams with worse OLs made the playoffs. The Pats might have had a worse OL, but beyond that, I don't know.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
No, but I'll try to look it up later. On lunch break now and don't have the time. It is an interesting question, though. I think I'm going to purchase PFF Edge tonight.
Nathan Zegura interviews Case Keenum through the phone about signing with the Cleveland Browns. Case talks about some of the factors that helped him make the decision, his time spent with head coach Kevin Stefanski and tells a funny story about Myles Garrett.
The Browns are fully committed to Baker Mayfield as their starting quarterback, but the new regime doesn’t want to coddle him.
In the eyes of new Browns coach Kevin Stefanski, Case Keenum gives the team a veteran QB who can push Mayfield to be his best and provide an invaluable example of professionalism.
Keenum passed a physical and signed with the Browns. The team announced the move Tuesday along with the signings of return man JoJo Natson, a former University of Akron standout, and cornerback Donovan Olumba.
Keenum and the Browns agreed to the three-year, $18 million deal on March 16. The pact will reunite Keenum with Stefanski, the quarterbacks coach of the Minnesota Vikings in 2017, when Keenum went 11-3 as a starter in the regular season and 1-1 in the playoffs.
“I think Case is somebody that’s seen it all and been through it all in his time as an NFL quarterback,” Stefanski said in a news release. “I think the experiences he brings can be great for our team as a whole.
“I think he knows this system having played in it under Coach [Gary] Kubiak when he broke into the league in Houston, and obviously I have experience coaching him with the Vikings. I’m really excited about bringing Case the person into this group. He’s the son of a football coach. He’s a grinder. He’s a gym rat. So I think he’ll fit perfectly into the mentality we’re trying to build.”
The Browns, in hindsight, believe their quarterback room developed too much of a buddy-buddy feel last year, when Mayfield regressed in his second NFL season. Coach Freddie Kitchens, quarterbacks coach Ryan Lindley and backups Drew Stanton and Garrett Gilbert were there to support Mayfield. They were close with him. The notion they held him accountable and challenged him enough is much less convincing.
Now Kitchens and Lindley are gone, and Stanton is an unrestricted free agent.
Meanwhile, Keenum and Mayfield are in the early stages of building a relationship.
“Baker reached out as soon as the news broke [I had reached an agreement with the Browns], which really meant a lot to me,” Keenum said in the release. “I’ve got a lot of respect for him for what he’s done on the field and off the field, too. First and foremost, I know my role coming in. That’s another great positive for me. I’m going to be ready to play. I feel like I’ve played at a high level for the last three years.”
Keenum, 32, entered the NFL in 2012 as an undrafted rookie free agent with the Houston Texans. He has since posted a regular-season starting record of 27-35 and completed 62.4 percent of his passes for 14,368 yards and 75 touchdowns with 47 interceptions and a passer rating of 85.3.
What about the last three seasons he referenced?
Last year, he went 1-7 as a starter for Washington, completing 64.8 percent of his passes for 1,707 yards and 11 touchdowns with five interceptions and a rating of 91.3.
In 2018, he went 6-10 as a starter for the Denver Broncos, completing 62.3 percent of his passes for 3,890 yards and 18 TDs with 15 interceptions and a rating of 81.2.
In 2017, he had the best season of his career while working with Stefanski and filling in for the injured Sam Bradford. Keenum completed 67.6 percent of his passes for 3,547 yards and 22 TDs with seven interceptions and a rating of 98.3.
“Case has been a backup in this league. He’s been a starter in this league. He understands as a backup how it’s your job to support the starter and be ready to play in a moment’s notice,” Stefanski said. “Bottom line is we’re adding a really smart, tough football player in that room.”
The last time Keenum and Stefanski were together, the Vikings advanced to the NFC title game.
“Coach Stefanski, I can’t say enough good things about him. I love him to death. Great friend. His family is incredible,” Keenum said. “I’m really, really excited he’s got an opportunity to go and lead an organization as great as the Cleveland Browns. It will be his first shot as a head coach, and I’m excited to be a part of what he’s going to build there.”
Didn't Teller replace Kush as the starting RG during the season? I think Teller is still on the roster.
Teller did replace Kush...who beat out Corbett for the starting job after Zeitler was foolishly traded...Teller came after the first cutdown to 53...meaning after TC and the pre-season. Nothing like continuity along the O line
Do you have the whole list for OL? I would be curious to see how many teams with worse OLs made the playoffs. The Pats might have had a worse OL, but beyond that, I don't know.
I just sat down to eat and read the board, so I haven't looked anything up. However, I was thinking for the purposes of this thread, it might be more relevant to see if any playoff teams had a qb whose QBR was lower than Baker's? Or, even close to it.
The OL thing should probably go in another thread.
However, I was thinking for the purposes of this thread, it might be more relevant to see if any playoff teams had a qb whose QBR was lower than Baker's? Or, even close to it.
I don't quite follow the logic in your thinking - unless you are just looking for another angle to bash Baker?
I don't think there is a Browns fan anywhere on the planet - let alone a poster on the board that doesn't think and has not said Baker needs to improve on last year. Significantly.
Are you suggesting that if a team had a QB play as poorly as Baker - and his QBR reflected it - and they reached the playoffs, then you'd be okay with Baker's level of play? No... didn't think so.
And - since I have seen you post multiple, multiple, multiple times about how statistically Baker was the worst/one of the worst starting QB in the NFL last year .... what do you think the odds are of finding a play off team that had a QB with a lower QBR rating than Baker. . . . don't take this as fact, but my gut says the answer is going to be a "No"
So - as I mentioned - not sure what the angle is here. I have a hunch, but maybe you can clarify?
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The more things change the more they stay the same.
I did do a quick search on the pass blocking rankings for all teams. I found one for 2018, but not 2019. I haven't gotten the Edge yet from PFF. I'll try and find those comparisons after I sign up.
The more informed we are, the better we are. I do think the numbers we shared point out something that most people already know..........good qb play is almost imperative if your team is going to have success.
I'm hoping Baker makes a big leap this upcoming year. I think he can. He is surrounded by talent and has a good arm. Hopefully, the coaching will be a lot better.
So I am still not clear how this relates to Case Keenum - your point is what?
Baker is better than Aaron Rogers? Baker doesn't need to improve? Baker doesn't need a QB coach?
The only thing I find interesting about the NFL QBR rating - and it has no more relevance to Case Keenum than PFF OL stats - is that I never had any faith that QBR meant anything other than a gimmick by ESPN ... with that said - Baker's QBR ranking last year, as bad as it was, aligns more to my thinking than his standardized QB rating does. I don't know about being ahead of Rogers - but I'd put him the same group as some of those right below him and ahead of the guys at the bottom other than Josh Allen who's legs and mobility would elevate my opinion of his ranking.
The more things change the more they stay the same.
I just thought of something ...... In Spanish, Baker and Case is translated Baker y Case.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
The worst one I remember was Leslie. He got that name from the county he lived in Kentucky. Same as Timid's. Kept PMing me telling me how he and his friends were going to cut off my blank and shove it down my throat.
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