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So, we know Scho was not resigned and we have a HUGE hold at ILB. (at this exact moment)

The 3 questions...

1. what would it take to trade up for Chase?
2. Would Berry and co do something like that?
3. Should we trade up for Young?

Young should also be a lock Ray Lewis type LB for the next 10-15 years (barring injuries and bad coaching)


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1. A LOT .. probably this year’s 2nd and next year’s 1st
2. I don’t think so ... I think we value picks too much, especially when an OT will be there
3. I would not do it. Of course having him would be awesome, but given the cost I’d still be cautious


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Would love to have him but would be a huge cost..


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Um, Chase Young is not a linebacker. . .

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Um, Chase Young is not a linebacker. . .


Personally, I think he could easily go into an LB role if he lost 5-10 lbs. I think he is definitely a tweener. (in my book) I think he has all of the speed and football smarts for it.

If he stayed at DE, I don't think it would be worth it. Texas tried that and it backfired with Watt/Clowney.


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Rather have Simmons.

But stay put and finish the Oline with Thomas.

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Um, Chase Young is not a linebacker. . .


Personally, I think he could easily go into an LB role if he lost 5-10 lbs. I think he is definitely a tweener. (in my book) I think he has all of the speed and football smarts for it.

If he stayed at DE, I don't think it would be worth it. Texas tried that and it backfired with Watt/Clowney.


3-4 OLB? Maybe. Schobert replacement? I don't see it.



Keep that huge dude attacking and affecting things in the backfield. Why drop him into space?


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Young and Simmons are both studs but if we were to trade up and both were available I would have problem taking Chase Young over Isaiah Simmons ... I can't Imagine the pressure on opposing QB's with Garrett and Young ... willynilly


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Young and Simmons are both studs but if we were to trade up and both were available I would have [no] problem taking Chase Young over Isaiah Simmons ... I can't Imagine the pressure on opposing QB's with Garrett and Young ... willynilly
is that what you meant?


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Originally Posted By: W84NxtYrAgain
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Young and Simmons are both studs but if we were to trade up and both were available I would have [no] problem taking Chase Young over Isaiah Simmons ... I can't Imagine the pressure on opposing QB's with Garrett and Young ... willynilly
is that what you meant?


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It means what it says Young and Garrett will be great together but Simmons is also great ..


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Sorry Marc, when you made the original post, you wrote "have problem taking Chase Young over Isaiah Simmon." That makes more sense if you said "have no problem". So I inserted the word no in your quote, in brackets, and asked if that is what you meant. I wasn't trying to be snarky, just asking for clarification.


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If the Browns has pick #2 then I would be advocating for the Browns to select Chase Young because he is the top talent on the board. The Browns do not have the 2nd pick and would have to give up way too much capital to get up tp the 2nd pick to draft Young. So, they need to focus the best player available at #10.


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If we had to trade up to the 2 spot... no.

If he miraculously fell to the 5-10.. I think it's at least worth a call for the asking price.

I personally think the more realistic think to do is to keep an eye on Simmons and where he might go.


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j/c...

1. Chase would be a DE in our defense.
2. We would have to give up 2 years of drafts to move up to the #2 spot where probably we would have to go to get him.

Too much and I don't think the analytics will justify it nor do I thin Berry will want to give up that much he'd rather get pieces to the puzzle the next two years then put all the eggs in one basket. Besides he will probably hit the Steeler QB in the head with his helmet after being called a N....and get punched in the nutz...Steelers were rewarded for doing so we can only ASSume they will do it again. wink


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I don't think common sense would justify it. wink


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Originally Posted By: PitDAWG
I don't think common sense would justify it. wink


So what are you saying??? We aren't going to give up 2 years of drafts for ONE PLAYER??? lol laugh

I mean it would be a dream of "WHAT IFS" teaming Young up with Garrett but we can still stud out as we got 3 amazing DLmen right now in Garrett, Richardson and Larry O!! Simply amazing for a DL in a 4-3 Defense. That next DE and who knows what Vernon will look like all healed up? We need another to keep them fresh, personally I DO NOT LIKE Chad Thomas, on paper he is ok, on the field ehhh Not for me. Another can be gotten.

If we get Simmons do we put him opposite of Garrett, 238 ain't big enough but in passing situations if we play with the lead a lot cause of a stud O he would get passing downs pinning his ears back.

Do we go for one with our 2nd round pick.
Yetur Gross-Matos
Alton Robinson
James Smith-Williams

One of those 3 will be there for sure and would work well teaming up with Vernon for that DE

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The more I think about it, the more I would MUCH rather go hard for Clowney on a front-loaded three year deal, then let the Draft come to us and not try to move up in Round 1.


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The more I think about it, the more I would MUCH rather go hard for Clowney on a front-loaded three year deal, then let the Draft come to us and not try to move up in Round 1.


My guess is that a bunch of teams have offered him that and that’s why he’s still unsigned.

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I don't really have an issue with trading up per say. I mean if it just so happens to be one or two spots up for someone we have highly touted who has fallen. But that price tag wouldn't cost mortgaging our future in order to do.


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Actually, he was wanting more and since he didn't get the super big deal he was seeking on Day 1, reports were that he was thinking about switching up to seeking a shorter deal that would get him to free agency again in just a few years.

All we gotta do is come in at around $20M/year and make a fat chunk of it guaranteed.


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I'd prefer to keep Vernon.

I don't think it would be wise to trade future assets to move all the way up to number 2 for Young and I don't think Clowney is worth the kind of money he is asking.

Just my opinions...

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My guess is that Clowney is off the board pretty soon. Probably to the Titans.

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if you can get him for 2 number 1s and 2 number 2s.

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Originally Posted By: Versatile Dog
I'd prefer to keep Vernon.

I don't think it would be wise to trade future assets to move all the way up to number 2 for Young and I don't think Clowney is worth the kind of money he is asking.

Just my opinions...


Agreed. Keep Vernon. Hope he has a good year. Let his contract expire, transfer that money to Myles Garrett. Get a decent Comp pick


Try to find a DE this year in the draft after round 1



And don't trade a lot of assets to move up for Chase Young............

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Originally Posted By: Versatile Dog
I'd prefer to keep Vernon.

I don't think it would be wise to trade future assets to move all the way up to number 2 for Young and I don't think Clowney is worth the kind of money he is asking.

Just my opinions...

I would keep Vernon, too.
And add Clowney.

For one, Vernon is only here for one more year unless we do a new deal.
Two, it gives us one helluva rotation, but also the option of putting all three out there at once on big-pressure downs.
Lastly, if one gets dinged up for a bit, we still have two high-end DE's out there.

After this year, Vernon (and that extra salary) is likely gone, and then we'd still have Clowney opposite Myles.


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It's going to take a 1st round pick to move from 10 to 2, so as much as I would like to say yes, I probably wouldn't.

Chase is going to be a monster like the Bosa brothers for almost certain.

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It's going to take a 1st round pick to move from 10 to 2, so as much as I would like to say yes, I probably wouldn't.

Chase is going to be a monster like the Bosa brothers for almost certain.
so, would you trade OBJ for Chase Young?


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It's going to take a 1st round pick to move from 10 to 2, so as much as I would like to say yes, I probably wouldn't.

Chase is going to be a monster like the Bosa brothers for almost certain.
so, would you trade OBJ for Chase Young?

In a heartbeat...


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Originally Posted By: Dawgs4Life
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It's going to take a 1st round pick to move from 10 to 2, so as much as I would like to say yes, I probably wouldn't.

Chase is going to be a monster like the Bosa brothers for almost certain.
so, would you trade OBJ for Chase Young?


I would.


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Originally Posted By: Dawgs4Life
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It's going to take a 1st round pick to move from 10 to 2, so as much as I would like to say yes, I probably wouldn't.

Chase is going to be a monster like the Bosa brothers for almost certain.
so, would you trade OBJ for Chase Young?


I don't know, but I would trade Baker for Chase Young. In a heartbeat.

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Originally Posted By: Dawgs4Life
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It's going to take a 1st round pick to move from 10 to 2, so as much as I would like to say yes, I probably wouldn't.

Chase is going to be a monster like the Bosa brothers for almost certain.
so, would you trade OBJ for Chase Young?


Honestly, I would.

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J/c

I’d trade OBJ for Young as well ... Baker would be a tougher call for me


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New regime, honestly this is Bakers last year as a question mark. He either swims or sinks, either we will have our guy or we will be looking at the draft again.

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Time will tell, but I think I agree.


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Originally Posted By: BpG
New regime, honestly this is Bakers last year as a question mark. He either swims or sinks, either we will have our guy or we will be looking at the draft again.


I love Baker but I agree this is his prove it year to a FO that did not draft him ...


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Originally Posted By: BpG
New regime, honestly this is Bakers last year as a question mark. He either swims or sinks, either we will have our guy or we will be looking at the draft again.


New offense & New coach. Probably no OTA's & i think we get extra practices BECAUSE we have a new coach. Who knows about training camp at this point (maybe they'll find a way to test them all and keep the training facility in Berea isolated?)


I'm not sure it's quite fair to be "sink or swim" for Baker here.


Either way, i'm sold on the guy. I'm sick of the QB carousel. This guy plays, rarely is injured (last time was freshman year of college), started three more seasons after that i believe, never missing a game. Then two with us.


He's the best and most consistent we've had in quite awhile.


I see absolutely no reason to move on from him. I'm rolling with number 6, ride or die baby.


As for OBJ, yes, of course i'd trade him for Chase Young. I imagine Andrew Berry would too. But i don't think whoever has the number 2 pick is gonna go for that


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Originally Posted By: Dawgs4Life
Originally Posted By: BpG
It's going to take a 1st round pick to move from 10 to 2, so as much as I would like to say yes, I probably wouldn't.

Chase is going to be a monster like the Bosa brothers for almost certain.
so, would you trade OBJ for Chase Young?


Very quickly.

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Originally Posted By: Versatile Dog
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It's going to take a 1st round pick to move from 10 to 2, so as much as I would like to say yes, I probably wouldn't.

Chase is going to be a monster like the Bosa brothers for almost certain.
so, would you trade OBJ for Chase Young?


I don't know, but I would trade Baker for Chase Young. In a heartbeat.


I would think that Baker Mayfield has more trade value than OBJ. It's an interesting question.

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