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Problem with that is that by the time we pick again there is a big drop off and as we all know LT is a Highly Skill set position some say next to only QB sloppy 2nds just is not the way to go. This is one of the best LT drafts in a long time. Best we get one while we can!

But in answer to your question probably Cleveland from Boise State is the closest thing to a LT skill set left.


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1. Josh Jones - HOU - may be there at 25.
2. Austin Jackson - USC.
3. Ezra Cleveland - BSU

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Originally Posted By: Hammer
1. Josh Jones - HOU - may be there at 25.
2. Austin Jackson - USC.
3. Ezra Cleveland - BSU


1. Wirfs

2. Josh Jones
3. Andrew Thomas

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I saw a CBS Sports mock that had the Browns taking an LT named Matt Peart from U Conn in the 2nd round.

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None of them will most likely be there between 25 and 41 in the draft.

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Originally Posted By: Hammer
None of them will most likely be there between 25 and 41 in the draft.


Sorry. I was just agreeing with you liking Jones and then giving my top guys.

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I would be happy if we traded back into the first round to pick up Jones or Jackson.

I don't think Ezra Cleveland is worth trading up for out of that group.

Random question. Does anyone know what Austin Corbett's PFF ranking was in college before we drafted him? I'm wondering how often high PFF rankings translate to the NFL, that might be something worth digging into.


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Ranking the interior OL prospects for the 2018 NFL Draft


By Michael Renner
Apr 23, 2018

It’s been three years since an interior offensive lineman was taken in the top 10 of the draft, but there’s a 99.9 percent chance that changes this year. Notre Dame guard Quenton Nelson leads a strong and deep interior offensive line class that could see multiple first-round selections.

Version 2 of the 2018 NFL Draft Guide is here! For PFF Edge & Elite subscribers, a comprehensive guide featuring player profiles of signature stats, grades and exclusive PFF content including position by position rankings. Find out more information here and join PFF now!

[Editor's note: These rankings were originally posted on February 27, edited on April 9 following the 2018 NFL Scouting Combine and various pro day workouts, these rankings have evolved one final time on April 23 as we are just days away from the 2018 NFL Draft.]

1. Quenton Nelson, Notre Dame – Guard

Nelson is the cleanest offensive line prospect in our four years of grading every snap of every game at the FBS level. His combination of flawless technique, athleticism and strength is beyond rare. You'll hear me throw around the term ‘can’t miss’ almost never. Nelson is can’t miss.

2. Frank Ragnow, Arkansas – Center

Ragnow doesn’t have the rare physical traits that Nelson possesses, but he’s been arguably as dominant when healthy over the past couple seasons. He’s been PFF’s top-graded center in back-to-back seasons despite being only limited to 415 snaps this past year. In 2,603 collegiate snaps, Ragnow did not allow a single sack.

3. Isaiah Wynn, Georgia – Guard

A tackle at Georgia, Wynn’s height and length projects best inside at the next level. Wynn will give you déjà vu at times with how consistent he is technically. He allowed all of five pressures this past season, and only 26 in his 2,609 collegiate snaps.

4. Will Hernandez, UTEP – Guard

Hernandez may be limited to a straight-forward gap/inside zone scheme, but he should be a dominant run-blocker if he is put in one. The UTEP guard possesses an almost comically-thick build that makes him a people mover in the run game. He was PFF’s highest-graded guard in 2016.

5. Wyatt Teller, Virginia Tech – Guard

Teller possesses about as much nastiness as any offensive linemen in this draft class when he wants to show it. He had some of the most dominant blocks we've seen this past season and that explosiveness will translate well to the NFL. Teller is a four-year starter with impressive grades each season.

6. Braden Smith, Auburn – Guard

Smith plays angry snap after snap, consistently playing to the whistle. He’s not the most natural of athletes, but his power in a phone booth is special. He finished 2017 as PFF’s third-highest graded guard.

7. James Daniels, Iowa – Center

Daniels finished this past season as PFF’s third-highest graded center and improved every year of his career. He rarely ‘wow’s,' but he plays as under control as any center prospect in the draft.

8. Austin Corbett, Nevada – Center

The Nevada left tackle stepped onto the field as a freshman in 2014 and was already one of the better pass protecting left tackles in the nation. That season, he allowed all of 17 total pressures and has only gotten better since. Corbett is far more technically sound than most small school tackle prospects and could legitimately start in the NFL as a rookie. He likely profiles best to the interior at the next level.


9. Will Clapp, L
SU – Center

Clapp has multiple years grading very well in the SEC at both center and guard. That’s an impressive accomplishment in and of itself. Add in some of the best hands in this draft class, and Clapp is ready to start sooner rather than later.

10. Billy Price, Ohio State – Center

Price is one of the rare offensive line prospects who can claim starting experience at all three interior positions. Offensive line coaches will love that, as well as the fact that he plays every snap like he’s out for blood. Price is as aggressive an offensive line prospect as there is in this draft.

11. Mason Cole, Michigan – Center

Cole played both tackle and center at Michigan, but never quite mastered either. He’ll be on the interior in the NFL, where that cross-training could be seen as a positive. Cole also hails from a creative, pro-style run scheme at Michigan that should translate well at the next level.

12. Colby Gossett, Appalachian State – Guard

Gossett is a perfect fit for an outside zone scheme as he consistently makes difficult reach blocks. He must improve in pass protection after posting a 76.0 grade in that department last season, but he has four strong years of solid, 80.0-plus overall production.

13. Jeremiah Kolone, San Jose State – Guard

Kolone led the draft class with a pass-blocking efficiency of 99.7 last season, allowing only one pressure on 244 attempts. He has three strong years of grading, including a 90.7 overall mark in 2016.

14. Dejon Allen, Hawaii – Guard

Allen has been one of the top non-Power 5 tackles in the country for the past three seasons and has the requisite athleticism to kick in to guard at the next level.

15. Kyle Bosch, West Virginia – Guard

Bosch finished with three straight years of solid production including an 87.1 grade in 2016 and an 86.9 mark last season. He allowed only 23 pressures over the last three years.

16. Bradley Bozeman, Alabama – Center

Bozeman was very consistent over the course of his career at Alabama. His lack of strength and athleticism will be an issue heading into the league.

17. Brian Allen, Michigan State – Center

Allen hails from a pro-style running game at Michigan State that projects well to the NFL. Unfortunately, Allen is undersized for the position and power will give him issues at the next level.

18. Sam Jones, Arizona State – Guard

Jones is nothing special athletically, but still got the job done more often than not for the Sun Devils with back-to-back years of solid grading.
19. Antonyo Woods, FAU – Center

Woods had strong finish to his FAU career, grading at 86.4 overall. He can make the necessary blocks required in a zone scheme and he finished 11th in the draft class with a pass-blocking efficiency of 98.7 last season.



https://www.pff.com/news/draft-ranking-the-interior-ol-prospects-for-the-2018-nfl-draft

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It's interesting that we have (2) of those prospects on our roster right now.

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Originally Posted By: WSU Willie
It's interesting that we have (2) of those prospects on our roster right now.


Gossett and who else?


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Teller.

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Thanks. Not sure how I missed our starting guard


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I didn't know Gossett was on our roster and I was trying to figure out who the second guy was after Teller. LOL

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I wonder if we are all selling Teller short after reading the PFF article and also considering this:


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Teller played LG for the Bills and played RG for us after the halfway point last year. I think we will be pleased with him this year...especially with Conklin to his right.

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JMHO, I want us to trade up to get the Left Tackle we want....I'm afraid of the "left overs"....ID your guy and get him, even if you have to pay a big price.....GO Browns!!!


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The only player I can see this regime trading up to get would be Tristan Wirfs. I think it would be in that 6-8 range if we did.

Given all the depth at the position, it really doesn't make sense to trade up unless somehow have to trade up to ensure that we get one of the top 4 guys.


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Originally Posted By: eotab
Problem with that is that by the time we pick again there is a big drop off and as we all know LT is a Highly Skill set position some say next to only QB sloppy 2nds just is not the way to go. This is one of the best LT drafts in a long time. Best we get one while we can!

But in answer to your question probably Cleveland from Boise State is the closest thing to a LT skill set left.



Cleveland looks fine to me.

We have done nothing for one of the worst D's in the league. If Simmons or Brown is there, we better take them.


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Originally Posted By: CleVeLaNd_sTrife
The only player I can see this regime trading up to get would be Tristan Wirfs. I think it would be in that 6-8 range if we did.

Given all the depth at the position, it really doesn't make sense to trade up unless somehow have to trade up to ensure that we get one of the top 4 guys.


To me, if you trade up, you won't be there to see who falls a bit.


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I am not a fan of trading up.

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I didn't know Gossett was on our roster and I was trying to figure out who the second guy was after Teller. LOL


Same exact thing here.

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I am not a fan of trading up.


I don't think it makes sense in this draft. Unless we're targeting Chase Young (for whatever reason), or absolutely have to have the LB, I think we're picking plenty high to land a stud (at a position of need, at that) at 10.


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The only guy worth trading up for in this draft [I'm leaving Burrow out] is Tua.

While I think it is tantalizing to consider him, I am pretty sure Miami is going to try to trade w/Detroit to get him. Maybe even make a move Washington, but Detroit seems much more likely. And Miami can offer a lot more than the Browns can.

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At most, I;d give our 1st 3rd round pick (since the Duke trade afforded us another one) to trade up with Carolina, but the only way I see them going for that is if Simmons is off the board.

That would get us ahead of Arizona and Jax who are both likely looking at Tackle positions. At least, I assume Jax is as Cam Robinson has played poorly in his two healthy years and missed another with injury. Three years in and he is still struggling.


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I knew Teller but thought the 2nd was Cole I thought we had him on our roster but I guess it was my imagination or we let him go???



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Ryan Wilson - CBS Sports.com: 1st round - DT Javon Kinlaw (South Carolina), OT Ezra Cleveland (Boise State); 3rd round - S Jeremy Chinn (Southern Illinois)

Of Note: In this scenario, the Browns would trade a second- and third-round pick to move back into the first round and take Cleveland with the No. 32 pick.

Looks like the bus to Cleveland is not so out of the question... wink

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If Simmons or someone else that isn't supposed to does fall to 10, I would love if we grabbed him and then traded back up into the 1st to get our tackle. We need to come away with a blue-chip LT w/o reaching.


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In theory that sounds wonderful. But I think if you look back at previous drafts, you'll find that there are very few "blue chip LT's" in any one class.

There is certainly a lot of OL talent in this coming draft, but not so much if you break it down to projected LT's. Your odds of getting a "blue chip LT" late first or early second round is greatly reduced.

It's possible, just not likely.


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Odds to be the first Offensive Lineman selected in the 2020 NFL Draft (Bovada):

Tristan Wirfs -110
Mekhi Becton +165
Jedrick Wills Jr. +350
Andrew Thomas +1400
Josh Jones +2800
Austin Jackson +5500
Ezra Cleveland +6000

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Originally Posted By: GratefulDawg
Odds to be the first Offensive Lineman selected in the 2020 NFL Draft (Bovada):

Tristan Wirfs -110
Mekhi Becton +165
Jedrick Wills Jr. +350
Andrew Thomas +1400
Josh Jones +2800
Austin Jackson +5500
Ezra Cleveland +6000

https://twitter.com/OddsShark/status/1245400586528468992


I like Andrew Thomas with those odds/value. Then Wirfs.


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The more I learn about these guys the more I think Thomas is a good fit for us and Willis might not be given that he has only played the right side.

Wirfs doesn't seem like he is making it to us in any of the mocks.

Becton is a wildcard, I really don't know how I feel about him at all just yet. Taking him seems risky to me given that we really just need stability on the left side.

I'd also be happy if Simmons falls to us and we find a way to trade up in the late first round to pick up Josh Jones or Austin Jackson.

If we take Jones, Jackson or Cleveland at 10 I would be upset.

Ezra Cleveland in the second round is ok with me as well.


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Given that the scheme we will be running works best with the more athletic and technical OL, I would definitely agree that Thomas is the best choice.

I don't know much about the others, but guys that aren't as athletic or as technically sound will not be nearly as good for us even if they are super duper strong or bigger or have longer arms. They have to be able to move well, use great technique, and work with good leverage.


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Originally Posted By: CleVeLaNd_sTrife
If we take Jones, Jackson or Cleveland at 10 I would be upset.


That simply won't happen as none of the three are top 10. Ezra Cleveland is a 2nd rd at best and the other two late-first...


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Originally Posted By: CleVeLaNd_sTrife
If we take Jones, Jackson or Cleveland at 10 I would be upset.


That simply won't happen as none of the three are top 10. Ezra Cleveland is a 2nd rd at best and the other two late-first...


I wouldn't be surprised at all if we took Jones with the tenth pick.

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A CBS mock draft has the Browns taking Javon Kinlaw at 10 and then trading back into the first round at 32 to take Ezra Cleveland. They then mock Austin Jackson at 36 to Carolina.

What's dumb IMO, about this scenario, is that they have us passing on Derrick Brown to take Kinlaw. They mock Brown at 14.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news...ress-key-needs/

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Most mocks are dumb, but the public loves them.

I prefer to look at Big Boards [provided the analyst] has one. They make so much more sense to me than some dumb-ass mock, especially given how trades can change things dramatically.

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My current theory on how the draft will play out:

All the mocks have us taking a LT at 10. However, I think the front office really likes Ezra Cleveland, and the 10 spot is too early to take him.

I think the current plan is to wait to see if Simmons somehow falls to 10. If by some miracle he is, they take him. If not, we know the analytical approach favors trading down.

They trade back, picking up some draft capital for next year, and target Kenneth Murray. This might serve a dual purpose, as it takes away a prospect Baltimore is probably targeting as well. Then, they target Cleveland in round 2.

Just they way I see it playing out.

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No offense, but why do you think the FO is thinking that way?

I get that you might think that way and I respect your opinion. But, what evidence do you have that the current FO is thinking along the same lines?

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Browns Intrest in Cleveland

The Browns have shown heavy interest in Cleveland. It just seems to me that they are setting up a plan for a draft where they don't take a tackle at 10, and they target Cleveland in round 2.

I think they would definitely take Simmons if he is there at 10, and if not, they try to get another defensive player later in the 1st round and pick up some draft capital, which we know that this analytical front office values highly.

Don't really have any evidence (nobody does). Like I said, this is just reading between the lines and what I think will happen.

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