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Follow the number of deaths, they must be reported and the evidence is obvious.

States with outbreak-related deaths include:

1. New York: 2,220 deaths

2. New Jersey: 355 deaths

3. Michigan: 335 deaths

4. Louisiana: 273 deaths

5. Washington: 254 deaths

6. California: 216 deaths

7. Georgia: 154 deaths

8. Illinois: 146 deaths

9. Massachusetts: 122 deaths

10. Florida: 101 deaths

11. Connecticut: 85 deaths

12. Colorado: 79 deaths

13. Pennsylvania: 74 deaths

14. Texas: 68 deaths

15. Indiana: 65 deaths

16. Ohio: 65 deaths

17. Virginia: 35 deaths

18. Nevada: 32 deaths

19. Maryland: 31 deaths

20. Oklahoma: 30 deaths

21. Arizona: 29 deaths

22. Wisconsin: 28 deaths

23. Alabama: 28 deaths

24. South Carolina: 26 deaths

25. Tennessee: 24 deaths

26. Mississippi: 22 deaths

27. Missouri: 22 deaths

27. Kentucky: 20 deaths

28. Oregon: 19 deaths

29. Minnesota: 17 deaths

31. Vermont: 16 deaths

32. North Carolina: 16 deaths

33. Delaware: 11 deaths

-. Washington, D.C.: 11 deaths

34. Arkansas: 10 deaths

35. Kansas: 10 deaths

36. Rhode Island: 10 deaths

37. Idaho: 9 deaths

38. Iowa: 9 deaths

39. Utah: 7 deaths

40. Maine: 7 deaths

41. Montana: 6 deaths

42. New Mexico: 6 deaths

43. Nebraska: 4 deaths

44. New Hampshire: 4 deaths

45. Alaska: 3 deaths

46. North Dakota: 3 deaths

47. South Dakota: 2 death

48. West Virginia: 2 death

49. Hawaii: 1 death

What’s obvious?

Following the # of deaths isn't helpful for figuring out where we are on the timeline of this pandemic. # of deaths is a trailing stat.

# of new cases can be helpful because it shows you the rate of infection. Rate of infection leads to hospital resource usage, then recoveries or death. It's not a true leading stat, but it's the best we have, with the caveat that it's flawed due to limited testing. So # of new cases right now is artificially low, but that number will spike due to new infections, but also with the amount of testing catching up. The curve will be more vertical than it should because people that were sick regardless will be tested.

You also have to consider that different states are testing at different per capita rates than others, and the criteria for who to test varies greatly. I don't see how the number of cases stat can be helpful on a national scale. It would be grossly unfair to base resource distribution based on that. Cuomo said on TV last night that "NY is testing more people per capita than any other state, and I'm really proud of that". I think it also sucks that he gets an hour of primetime every night on CNN.

j/c...

Look at who is the threat to Fauci... Right Wing....

You know how they consider anyone that doesn't agree with trump to be a Snowflake... well, I'd much rather be a snowflake than an fool

No, that's just where the largest numbers started at. Unfortunately, all corners of of the country will feel the affects of this. Have you looked at the numbers from Georgia or Louisiana the last couple of days.

And the south is in a much worse predicament to deal with this.

The Coronavirus’s Unique Threat to the South
More young people in the South seem to be dying from COVID-19. Why?

VANN R. NEWKIRK II
5:00 AM ET

THE ATLANTIC
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Editor's Note: The Atlantic is making vital coverage of the coronavirus available to all readers. Find the collection here.

In a matter of weeks, the coronavirus has gone from a novel, distant threat to an enemy besieging cities and towns across the world. The burden of COVID-19 and the economic upheaval wrought by the measures to contain it feel epochal. Humanity now has a common foe, and we will grow increasingly familiar with its face.

Yet plenty of this virus’s aspects remain unknown. The developing wisdom—earned the hard way in Wuhan, Washington, and Italy—has been that older people and sicker people are substantially more likely to suffer severe illness or die from COVID-19 than their younger, healthier counterparts. Older people are much more likely than young people to have lung disease, kidney disease, hypertension, or heart disease, and those conditions are more likely to transform a coronavirus infection into something nastier. But what happens when these assumptions don’t hold up, and the young people battling the pandemic share the same risks?

The world is about to find out. So far, about one in 10 deaths in the United States from COVID-19 has occurred in the four-state arc of Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, and Georgia, according to data assembled by the COVID Tracking Project, a volunteer collaboration incubated at The Atlantic. New Orleans is on pace to become the next global epicenter of the pandemic. The virus has a foothold in southwestern Georgia, and threatens to overwhelm hospitals in the Atlanta metropolitan area. The coronavirus is advancing quickly across the American South. And in the American South, significant numbers of younger people are battling health conditions that make coronavirus outbreaks more perilous.


The numbers emerging seem to indicate that more young people in the South are dying from COVID-19. Although the majority of coronavirus-related deaths in Louisiana are still among victims over 70 years old, 43 percent of all reported deaths have been people under 70. In Georgia, people under 70 make up 49 percent of reported deaths. By comparison, people under 70 account for only 20 percent of deaths in Colorado. “Under 70” is a broad category, not really useful for understanding what’s going on. But digging deeper reveals more concerning numbers. In Louisiana, people from the ages of 40 to 59 account for 22 percent of all deaths. The same age range in Georgia accounts for 17 percent of all deaths. By comparison, the same age group accounts for only about 10 percent of all deaths in Colorado, and 6 percent of all deaths in Washington State. These statistics suggest that middle-aged and working-age adults in the two southern states are at much greater risk than their counterparts elsewhere; for some reason, they are more likely to die from COVID-19.

All data in this stage of the pandemic are provisional and incomplete, and all conclusions are subject to change. But a review of the international evidence shows that, as far as we know, the outbreaks currently expanding in the American South are unique—and mainly because of how many people in their working prime are dying. Spain’s official accounting of the pandemic last week showed that deaths among people under 70 years old make up only about 12 percent of total deaths in the country. Case-fatality rates around the world are notoriously tricky because they are based in part on the extent of testing, but a recent study of the outbreak in Wuhan, China, found a case-fatality rate of 0.5 percent among adults from the ages of 30 to 59. The current estimate of fatality rates in the same age range in Louisiana is about four times that.


A recent analysis from the Kaiser Family Foundation might shed some light on what’s going on here. The paper, drawing on the CDC guidelines, identifies people who may be at risk of serious complications from COVID-19. Kaiser’s at-risk group includes all people over 60 years old and all adults younger than 60 who also have heart disease, cancer, lung disease, or diabetes. In each state, older people are the majority of the people considered to be at risk of complications. But the Deep South and mid-South form a solid bloc of states where younger adults are much more at risk. In Arkansas, Alabama, Kentucky, Tennessee, Louisiana, and Mississippi, relatively young people make up over a quarter of the vulnerable population. Compare that with the coronavirus’s beachhead in Washington State, where younger adults make up only about 19 percent of the risk group.



Tricia Neuman, a senior vice president at the Kaiser Family Foundation, says this analysis points to the underlying issues that might complicate or worsen the pandemic in the South. “Due to high rates of conditions like lung disease and heart disease and obesity, the people living in these states are at risk if they get the virus,” Neuman told me. These aren’t “people who are sick, but these are people who have underlying comorbidities that put them at higher risk of serious illness if they get infected.”

The KFF analysis doesn’t include potential complications from hypertension—which is also suspected to be driving coronavirus-linked hospitalizations—but the data are predictable on that front. If you define Oklahoma as part of the South, southern states fill out the entirety of the top ten states in percentage of population diagnosed with hypertension by a doctor. Southerners are more likely to suffer from chronic diseases than other Americans—even as Americans are more likely to suffer from chronic disease than citizens of other countries with comparable wealth. According to Neuman, these estimates don’t include people with cancer or who are immunocompromised -- groups that are also at high risk for serious illness from COVID-19. And cancer mortality rates are highest in southern states.

These differences are not innate to southerners; they are the result of policy. Health disparities tend to track both race and poverty, and the states in the old domain of Jim Crow have pursued policies that ensure those disparities endure. The South is the poorest region in the country. The poor, black, Latino, or rural residents who make up large shares of southern populations tend to lack access to high-quality doctors and care. According to the State Health Access Data Assistance Center, Mississippi, North Carolina, Texas, Florida, Georgia, and Louisiana all spend less than $25 per person on public health a year, compared to $84 per person in New York. Nine of the 14 states that have refused to expand Medicaid to poor residents under the Affordable Care Act are in the South. And many of those states are led by Republican leaders who have imitated President Donald Trump’s dallying and flip-flopping, and now find themselves flat-footed.



The slow response from those governors will be even more ruinous in a region with so many challenges. Chronic disease and the apparent increased risk for younger people from COVID-19 are only part of the story in the South. Other factors could complicate its pandemic response. Advocates have drawn attention to the extreme vulnerability of people in prison to the coronavirus—and the South incarcerates a larger proportion of its population than anywhere else in the United States. A federal prison in Louisiana has already seen a spike in COVID-19 cases this week. Also, a global fear in this pandemic is that it will sicken health professionals and doctors, and leave them unable to contend with waves of hospitalizations. Southern states have some of the lowest ratios of active physicians to patients in the country.

In all, the South seems likely to be a new kind of battleground, one in which distancing and isolation are going to be especially important in stopping the virus. Centuries of policy gave the pandemic a head start—and younger targets—in the South. Now there are mere days to change course.

So sadly Lancaster looked like any other Thursday spring afternoon today. Some people were practicing social distancing outside and in the stores but the overwhelming majority of people I saw were acting like everything is normal. I don't know how the store employees do it. I watched a woman cleaning self checkout stations between every few uses. She was cleaning one and a woman walked up and touched her arm saying excuse me politely, as the employee stood up straight and turned the woman moved closer and was maybe a foot and a half from he face just to tell her that the cart she had has a wonky wheel! I thought wtf! smh

I had to dodge at least 5 people from brushing against me while walking down isles. People had kids running around. There was a group of highschoolers walking through walmart (6 or 7 of them) not really shopping but what appeared to be just getting out like you would see them in a Mall.

And sure as crap, I made eye contact with some idiot woman walking down an isle when she didn't step to one side and she looks and me and says 'Oh I ain't sick' as I duck to the side and SEE the spittle spray coming out of her mouth as she said it. I wanted to throat punch her, luckily I got out of the way in time. I don't normally stress under pressure like this, but damned if I didn't out there today. Thanks to Portland, my outerwear clothes will be spending the week in a plastic bag on the porch. And I took a second shower as soon as I got in the house. What's wrong with people?

I'm not sure how anyone can possibly think that how many people you have in an area and how many people per capita are effected doesn't create a substantial difference.

This is disheartening. You, Ytown and my wife have all experienced this type of situation today in 3 different areas of the state. There's nothing else that can be done to make the seriousness of this sink in.

Reality is, if you want to keep people from ever leaving their house again, we'll have to turn into North Korea.

This is what leadership looks like:

GOPers don’t know what leadership is. So that’s just a bunch of raw BS to them.

Going from having a flat tire to a bald tire isn't a great improvement. It's improvement, but at what risk?

Where's Joe?
Even Joe don't know!

Where's Joe? Joe is leading for the nomination by a pretty wide margin in the Democratic run for president. He has been in the national media a lot. Bernie is still choking on his dust.

And now we have the great Jared Kushner coming into the Covid 19 fray with his brilliance......

“The notion of the federal stockpile was it’s supposed to be our stockpile. It’s not supposed to be states’ stockpiles that they then use.”

A lot the past 4-5 days, before that he was absent for two weeks. While Berie was leading. What's Joe's response, regurgitating what the talking heads are saying. And he wants to go back to the past which sounded good until COVID-19... We need another 10 years crashed economy slow ass recovery like we need a hole in the head. And I don't think Joe could even manage things now.

Well since he fixed the Middle East he's had nothing to do but vacation and count his money...

If Trump puts somebody legit in charge, he won't be able to fleece the stimulus funds. And a week or two ago they sent (sold) a chunk of that stockpile to another country. smh

They are only the back up...

Maybe you should go back to the other thread to pimp your candidate instead of promoting the loser on this thread. This one is too important for your Bernie drivel.

You took a shot at him because name calling is all you have in the face of proper leadership bro. You root for Joe Loser.

Your Bernie obsession has infected you as bad as Covid 19.

Actually PIT you do troll me a bit but I understand why, its because you are so wrapped up in the Anti TRUMP mode and I am not but to get real for a moment I really really hope that you and all the fellow guys here stay safe and your families also. Please guys stay safe ...peace and I pray for us all.

What stockpile? It’s depleted already. And if the states aren’t to use the stockpiles why is it almost gone already?

I reply to you because you spout rhetoric and only say many rah rah type things.

You refuse to actually address any of the stupid things trump does or says. You avoid those like the plague.

How about what Kushner said about the government stockpiles not being for the states?

Anything on Trump's comment that the states should have seen this coming at the same time he himself said that we only had 15 cases and those numbers would be going down?

There's plenty more where those came from. After watching the virus unfold, any comment about the warnings of this happening being a Democratic hoax?

See, you and your kind call it Trump hate. You call it hate because we call out the stupidity that are common facts. You hate facts. So instead of manning up to it, you label those pointing it out.

I would say you defer those questions to Jarod Kushner. You know, that guy trump has put in charge of so many things.

j/c:

Bill Gates Calls for a “Digital Certificate” to Identify Who Received COVID-19 Vaccine

https://vigilantcitizen.com/latestnews/b...-is-vaccinated/

Yup...and the very rich will control it all.

20 patients on the USS comfort in NYC. Big beautiful ship basically unused while people are dying less than a mile away.

Anybody going near Trump or Pence must be tested first. Snowflakes....Pfft

The nut doesnt fall far from the tree

Bill Gates talked about Pandemics in 2015
https://www.ted.com/talks/bill_gates_the_next_outbreak_we_re_not_ready?language=en

And in case you forget your Digital Certificate, they can stamp a mark on your forehead or hand.

This is screwed up I cant even imagine the rationale for this.

Anything that makes them look bad has to go... Like having the mob in charge of the government.

I can't either. And, really, ny's governor cuomo just in the last few days said they had a stockpile of ventilators they aren't using.

And the USS Comfort, in NY? 1000 bed hospital. Last I heard earlier today, 20 patients.

Cuomo having a central depot for ventilators 'not yet needed' so they can easily send them where they are needed makes sense. The hospital ship is for non-COVID-19 patients, and I agree with that because Covid-19 on a ship that may need to be dispatched elsewhere later makes sense.

Jared has no business involved in any of this, he has no experience.

His experience is he knows how to kiss trumps ...

That's coming but not until the Antichrist is in power - I think. Am I being Biblically correct, or are we talking about different marks?