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LOL....it's funny how it has worked that way. For as long as I can remember the Bears have always had poor QB's.

McMahon was pretty good, but he had Walter and a receiver from Tennessee with world class speed....had to think, Willie Gault. Jay Cutler was pretty good, Rex Grossman did OK

After that....it's Ed Brown's, Bobbo Wade's...it's pretty bad.

The Bears, other than Jim McMahon, haven't had a good QB since Sid Luckman or possibly George Blanda.

Sadly neither have we haha

True. In our 70 years or so of existence we've had maybe 3 really good QB's IMO. Otto Graham, Brian Sipe and Bernie. Frank Ryan, Bill Nelson and Milt Plum I would put in the fair category. After that not much.

In my entire life as a fan I’ve seen 2 winning seasons and 1 playoff game ... and I’d say 0 good QBs

Frank Ryan won an NFL championship. I never saw Graham or Plum, but Ryan was every bit the QB that Brian and Bernie were, and I loved those guys.

I agree. Ryan and Nelson were very good QB's.

Can't you pretty much say that about any team.. Look at the Steelers.. Nothing before Bradshaw, nothing after Bradshaw until Big Ben

Dude sure moves around a lot.

And I don't think he is a head case.

So, Cooper Kupp for the win?

Clearly I think this was part of an attempt to placate Watson to some degree as he rightfully expressed his concern after the last trade.

Still not sure if it was a good one.

So what is the Texans’ plan? Why did they sign Randall Cobb?

Ask BOB.

j/c:

I wouldn't think this WR lineup would be all that bad if not for the concussion issues for Cooks.

And group cost is a pretty good value. Still, Cooks good go down again and you have Fuller and Stills who feel like the same WR.

Fuller is oft-injured.

Cooks is only 26? It feels like he's been around for so much longer. With those concussions?...feels like another Jordan Cameron case.

I did a double take when I read your post to see that Cooks was only 26. Convinced I drafted him on my fantasy back in '11!

I still can't believe he is 26. I looked it up and it said 26. I still don't believe it.

And man, does that guy get traded a lot. Have we ever seen a player who is pretty good get traded at the rate he does?

Wow.

Fuller cants stay healthy... cooks can't stay healthy.... and Hopkins would have cost a second much as cooks/combs combined.... this offseason is basically about bob getting into a pissing match with Hopkins and bob got rid of him and now is trying to figure out what the hell to do at WR..... dude sucks as a GM.... praying this is his last year.... he's screwed the texans for years to come...

You know they don't have a plan because they panic signed Randall Cobb because they traded Deandre Hopkins. They then traded one of their best assets, the Cardinals second round pick in a draft that is one of the best wide receiver classes ever, for Brandin Cooks who the Rams were trying to dump. It's always fun to have the one team that everyone knows is going to make terrible decisions.

They tested their own pick, 57, instead of the Cardinal's 40, but still a dumb trade.

Cooks seems to have moved quite a bit (considering he’s thought to be a good WR and young). Concussions must be the big issue

I think Cooks was initially moved from NO to NE because of the Saints lack of cap, and they would have had issues with trying to work a new deal...Pats paid a good price too for him...NE kept him what 1 year? Not sure what their salary cap was... Then he was traded again for a 1st round pick, and signed a big contract with the Rams...Then the Rams got in cap trouble, and got a pretty good return for him. Obviously his main concern is concussions...Last year I recall reading a blurb about his doctors said despite his concussions, his head looked really good (Obviously paraphrased) He's a really fine WR when healthy...

Also I know he is well spoken of, and the only issue I ever recall with him was the league deemed his celebration illegal (the drawstring arrow-dumb as hell, when Michael Crabtree could do the throat slit and that was fine lol) beyond that, never heard anything bad about the guy.

ORANGE and BROWN REPORT
Browns NFL Mock Draft: Trent Williams Trade, No Trades Mock
By Jared Miller

The NFL Draft is next week and there are so many ways to think about how it could go for the Cleveland Browns. We've provided you with a variety of NFL Mock Drafts and will continue to do so in an attempt to inform, entertain and provide a distraction from the pandemic sweeping the world.

Today's a simple one, as the title denotes, in that it includes the Browns trading for Trent Williams to shore up their offensive line but does not include any trades throughout the draft. In order to acquire Williams, we have the Browns trading next year's third and sixth-round picks and Terrance Mitchell to Washington. This leaves this year's Browns draft class intact, gives Washington a high pick they require and a corner who can contribute this season.

With their starting left tackle in place, the Browns are then left with an interesting decision with the tenth pick. These are the players assumed to be taken, in some order, in the top nine picks this year:

Two quarterbacks: Joe Burrow and Tua Tagovailoa
Three defenders: Chase Young, Jeffery Okudah and Isaiah Simmons
At least two offensive linemen, possibly more, among: Tristan Wirfs, Andrew Thomas, Jedrick Wills, Mekhi Becton
Others in the discussion include Justin Herbert, Derrick Brown and Javon Kinlaw

With the top three defenders off the board, no need for a quarterback or offensive lineman, after the Williams trade, the Browns would likely be left choosing between Brown, Kinlaw, one of the great wide receivers or the next defenders on the board like K'Lavon Chaisson or CJ Henderson.

For today's Browns NFL Mock Draft, we used the Pro Football Network's Mock Draft Simulator. Let's see what direction the Browns will go and what options they had.

Pick #10
At the tenth pick, the Browns had the options we expected: Kinlaw, Chaisson, Henderson and the wide receivers.

While in past mock drafts I've had the team selecting Kinlaw, that isn't something that is set in stone for me. While Kinlaw and Chaisson would be greatly helpful on the defensive line with both having talents to get after the passer, there are other options at their position in the draft including a player like Curtis Weaver in the second round.

What will not be available later in the draft is a player who is at the top of their position, can start right away and be a long-term building block for the Browns:

The Cleveland Browns select Jerry Jeudy, WR, Alabama

"How will he start right away?"
"Kevin Stefanski's offense uses on two wide receivers!"
"Do you hate Odell Beckham Jr. and/or Jarvis Landry?"
"Why not Henry Ruggs if you are going to draft a receiver?"
"Dumb!"

Let us address the first four, the fifth is a given at times.

With OBJ and Landry both coming off injuries, the Browns could be in a need of a receiver to start the season (depending on when the season actually starts). Jeudy is as ready to step in and start as any rookie in the class. Some have compared him to OBJ, which is too high for anyone coming out, because of his route running, body control and acceleration.

While Stefanski's offense used primarily two receivers in Minnesota, it doesn't mean he is limited to that or requires that. The talent with the Vikings required him to do such as it was his top two receivers and a precipitous drop off after. If he is a good coach, the Browns will put the best players on the field and use them.

In no way do I hate either receiver but we have to be honest about their injury history and salary. At some point, the Browns or the receivers will want to renegotiate their contracts and having a player like Jeudy gives the team options. Having all three will not be a bad thing. Losing one of OBJ or Landry to injury would leave the team very thin at the position.

Ruggs is an excellent option here as well, along with Ceedee Lamb. Ruggs' speed is a game-changer and Lamb's history with Baker Mayfield would be appealing for a receiver who some have as their top guy at the position. For me, Jeudy's versatility and ability to play right away has him on top of my board.

Pick #41

With Trent Williams manning left tackle and three very good to great receivers, it is time to address the Browns defense.

The Cleveland Browns select Antoine Winfield Jr., S, Minnesota

The Browns bring home a name that will make Ohio fans happy.

Winfield just makes plays despite his size and measurables. It is quite possible that draft analysts are much higher on the Golden Gopher than NFL teams but his play on the field warrants a high selection.

For the Browns, Winfield is their hope for the next Earl Thomas but, at least, they need a quality starter as soon as possible out of him. Winfield is experienced, mature and, obviously, comes from a good bloodline.

Jeremy Chinn was the other safety left on the board that was valued high enough for this pick as Xavier McKinney and Grant Delpit were already selected.

Third Round

With two picks in the third round, including #97 that the Browns received in the Duke Johnson trade, the Browns can focus on talent and need at the same time.

#74

The Cleveland Browns select Malik Harrison, LB, the Ohio State.

In Harrison, the Browns fill another need with another local prospect.

Harrison looks every bit the part of an NFL linebacker with his 6'3" chiseled frame and long arms. Harrison moved around a ton with the Buckeyes and has experience with both man and zone coverage looks, having him prepared for the NFL.

While not the perfect linebacker, Harrison can get downhill fast and has enough skill in coverage to make a difference for the Browns right away as they look to replace Joe Schobert and Christian Kirksey.

#97

The Cleveland Browns select Matthew Peart, OL, UConn

This is where talent and upside were more important than need. Peart is a developmental offensive line prospect that could be a favorite among teams in the late second or early third rounds of the draft.

While the Browns have added veterans Jack Conklin and Trent Williams, you can never have too many offensive linemen in today's NFL. Expanded rosters also help. Peart could compete for the right guard spot but would be better suited as a swing tackle developing behind the veterans and ready to step in if an injury occurs.

Day Three

#115

The Cleveland Browns select A.J. Green, CB, Oklahoma State

First, there are cornerbacks with the name Lamar Jackson and A.J. Green in this draft, hopefully they both end up in the AFC North just for all the great name play.

For the Browns, cornerback may not be a need right now but it is a position, much like offensive and defensive line, that adding talent is always smart. With Terrance Mitchell out in the Trent Williams trade, the Browns add a corner that could go much higher than this come draft day.

Green joins Denzel Ward and Greedy Williams, along with veteran Kevin Johnson, to give the team options when teams go four wide. He can also help on special teams, vital when you are picked on day three.

#187

The Cleveland Browns select Benito Jones, DT, Ole Miss

Late in the draft, big guys or fast guys should get a lot of attention.
Jones is a big guy and gives the Browns some depth behind Sheldon Richardson, Larry Ogunjobi and Andrew Billings. Ogunjobi and Billings can both become free agents after the season.

Jones is a shorter defensive tackle but has some explosiveness and is disruptive. At this point in the draft, adding a player who could compete for starting snaps in his second season is a great value.

#244

The Cleveland Browns select Jordan Fuller, S, Ohio State

Time to disregard the "big or fast" statement above because Fuller is neither. What he does do is give the Browns a special teams player who can learn behind Andrew Sendejo and Karl Joseph at the strong safety position.

Both veterans were brought in on one-year deals so the Browns need to be thinking ahead a little bit.

Besides, adding two Buckeyes is never a bad way to go.

Nope, he's still here.

No. He's still on the team.

Are you thinking of Eric Murray?

I corrected my earlier post.

I might've been thinking of Carrie.

I still believe the contract BOB gave Murray.

Not saying they're going to get what they want, but next year's 3rd and change is pretty far from what they're still asking for Williams.

Remember... for this deal to actually happen, the Browns need to reach a deal with both Williams AND the 'skins.

Am I missing something? I just posted the article and you are free to disagree. What I don't understand is first you complain about Brown being available (which he would be according to the article) then you say you'd take a 6'7" 369 lb tackle and move to a position at RG where he's never played a down at before as your 1st round pick.

Not that I agree with the author, I do find his reasoning for getting a top class WR under a rookie contract for 4 years and an option year as thinking ahead for the team. He addresses the line issue with Peart who is also 6'7" but 318 lbs where he can bulk up but more importantly he's played all the positions on the line.

Now I hear the arguments, we have to draft a LT, another says we have to draft a LB. I've heard we must take Brown DT if available or a safety is our greatest need. This author thinks WR is the smartest move.

There's still 10 days until the draft and what happens over these next 10 days will tell a lot. However, no matter which way the Browns go there will be naysayers saying they screwed up. Each possible pick has it's pluses and minuses. I pretty damn sure the FO isn't reading this board for our input so we'll all have to wait and see what they have up their sleeve.

The author is a fool simply because there is no way in Hell at that point that the best player on the board is WR.

Well what's cool about the article is that is assumes a trade for Williams (so we have a LT) and it assumes no trades in the draft .... I was doing a bunch of these last night when I could not sleep (thought I alternated with no-trades and trades )

I agree with Eo - I'd H.A.T.E even the notion of taking a WR at 10.

I was also looking at Derrick Brown last night because he is often showing available when I run these mock drafts machines ... and if we have Williams in place, he is a guy I would love to take. On PFF big board Brown is 16th .. Kinlaw is 13. Thought about trying to create a post about them and here there is, sort of, a discussion going on.

Which DT is better? And - Assuming we have Williams, can't trade out of 10, Simmons is gone ..... who and what position is the selection? BPA would quit possibly be one of the DT's

What's interesting about the article is that it raises the WR position as a possible position of need. The Browns have no clear cut WR3 and we don't really know how Landry and Beckham are really doing except for reports that they are healing on schedule. Where have we heard this before?

If the assumption that the Browns will trade for Trent Williams along with the addition of Conklin and Hooper, it would seem foolish to go into the season after adding those critical pieces with no WR3 and question marks at WR1 & WR2. It's not like the guys are at Berea daily going through monitored rehab.

Now maybe the author has information we do not have or more likely it's an opinion which is also fine. However, if Williams is traded for fixing the LT issue, where do the Browns turn for value and best player available?

OT, either side is set for 2-4 years so going there at #10 does not provide immediate value. If Simmons is available then that is the pick because LB is a need that will have to be addressed one way or another and Simmons would clearly be the best player available according to most mock drafts. WR appears to be loaded in the draft yet the top 3 (Jeudy, Ruggs & Lamb) are all predicted to go anywhere between 8-13 which would put one of them in the Browns area as best player available and a potential need. Most mocks have DT Brown going to Carolina at #7 or higher.

If available at #10, Brown or Kinlaw for that fact, could be the best player available but what about immediate value? The Browns have three DT's under contract (Qgunjobi, Richardson & Billings) with two Ogunjobi and Billings in the final year of their deals. What are the Browns plans for DT going forward? What does the 2021 draft class look like at the position and does a 4th DT provide the most value to the team right now?

Safety, most mocks have McKinney and Chinn going somewhere in the 17-25 range. Reaching for a safety at #10 would not be a good value. However, a trade down to get another 2nd round pick might be an option if the Browns want one of the top 2 safety's but Winfield could be available in the early 2nd. I don't see Safety being in the conversation at #10.

LB, like I said, if Simmons is available he'd most likely be the best option for the Browns. If unavailable, Murray and Queen are projected in the 15-24 range and would again be a trade down option for the Browns rather than reaching.

Edge, after Young, there's a drop off to get to Chaisson or Gross-Matos. Edge appears to be a position of concern being that there's talk about Clowney, Ngakoue & Griffin. The Browns don't appear to feel that Vernon or Thomas as being the answer not only going forward but for 2020. However, these two guys are also planned to go somewhere between 16-21 and would require a trade down to their value range so as not to reach.

Corner, though not a need, is corner the best player available and provides the most value? Henderson, Terrell, Diggs & Fulton are expected to go anywhere from 10 to 20 picks after Okudah. That puts them all outside the #10 selection as far as immediate value but again, a trade down could make them the best player available depending on the direction the Browns are going.

Best player available, value and team direction plan will all come into play with the Browns selection. If Williams is traded for per the authors thought, the Browns have many options with their board up to and including taking a player at the WR position.

I think the Browns are fine at WR. They have two studs. That makes the other guys better because the top two guys draw so much attention. Higgins, Ratley, Hodge are good enough for the roles that are required. Picking a WR would blow my mind.

There is no way on Earth we go WR at #10. Analytics would not support this, IMO...

I hope you are right, but they did take a WR w/their very first choice the last time around and they took 4 of them in what was a very weak WR draft class.