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You are most certainly correct. I do see a scenario where Trent would be of more value to us if the LT/LT's we actually have targeted at #10 aren't there at our pick.

Picking a LT later in the draft, even in round 2, certainly cut down on the odds of him being a starter at the position in year one. It also cuts down on him actually ever developing as a starting LT in the NFL.

The thing is, both sides know this. And I doubt we will be the only team that comes out of round 1 who still has a question mark at the LT position. So we may not be the only suitor in line for his services.

Still, with all that said, I think what one's definition of "large draft capital" is a subjective term that has some fluctuation from person to person.

To me if we come out of the tenth pick without a LT, I would feel the situation dictates that to us, in that circumstance, Trent would be worth a third round pick. Hopefully the latter of the two, but considering we would be going into the 2020 season without an immediate answer to the position, I wouldn't consider that too high.

O.J. HOWARD
TE, TAMPA BAY BUCCANEERS

CBS Sports' Jason La Canfora reports that there's a "distinct possibility" O.J. Howard still lands in New England.

That scenario is still "very much alive" according to La Canfora after the Patriots dealt veteran Rob Gronkowski to the Bucs for a fourth-round selection. The Tampa Bay Times' Rick Stroud also suggests any trade inquiries surrounding the 25-year-old would have to start with a second-round pick — an asset New England currently lacks — in return. We still lean towards Howard moving to Washington in a blockbuster for LT Trent Williams. San Francisco could also be involved as a last-minute suitor.

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SOURCE: Jason La Canfora on Twitter
Apr 22, 2020, 10:16 AM ET

Williams to Tampa makes some sense .. Tampa could trade Howard and a 3rd round pick for Williams ... that frees them up to draft a good defender in the 1st

Really?? 12 Tackles Picked in the 2nd Rd. or lower became NFL HOF Recipients I wonder how many others became quality NFL Tackles?

2nd Round HOF Tackles

1956 Forrest Gregg T Green Bay Packers
1971 Dan Dierdorf T St. Louis Cardinals

3rd Round HOF Tackles

1938 Frank "Bruiser" Kinard T Brooklyn Dodgers
1951 Mike McCormack T New York Yanks
1953 Bob St. Clair T San Francisco 49ers
1968 Art Shell T Oakland Raiders
1976 Jackie Slater T Los Angeles Rams

7th Round HOF Tackles

1967 Rayfield Wright T Dallas Cowboys

21st Round HOF Tackles

1958 John Madden T Philadelphia Eagles

27th Round HOF Tackles

1953 Roosevelt Brown T New York Giants

Special Selection to HOF

1950 Lou Creekmur T Detroit Lions (Selected by the Lions in the second round of a special draft in 1950. Originally drafted in 1948 by the Philadelphia Eagles in 26th round - 243rd overall - and the AAFC's Los Angeles Dons in 28th round - 197th overall. He opted to complete his college eligibility.

FA HOF Tackles

1946 Lou Groza T-K Cleveland Browns (AAFC)

Is there anyone from this century?

So a total of 12 in 64 years and none in the era of faster edge rushers. Nothing since Jackie Slater in 1976.

You do realize that it's been 44 years since 1976, right?

Quite reminding me


I view any OT taken after pick 20 to be basically a red shirt rookie. They won't start unless they either surprise the snot out of everybody, or there just isn't anyone else to do the job because of injury or poor planning.

If we get an OT that we feel needs a season of seasoning, then we will almost certainly bring in another OT. I don't think we'd trade for an OT - any OT - if we draft one that we think will be ready in a year. I think we'd more be looking at someone on a one year deal.

Man... I can't wait for tomorrow to be over, lol

Pastor the game has changed in the last 50 years.

I look forward to getting the draft behind us as well. So 1976 presses a button does it? Maybe this will help. I have a daughter who was born in 1978.

I have twin grandchildren who are 21. Did that help?

I guess I just see this LT class a little differently than most. I do understand the potential some of these guys have. But we all know how much this team has drafted boasting about the potential of a player we never see reached. Now let us just suppose that four or five LT prospects are drafted before we draft one.

The gamble would then be that the fifth or sixth LT picked in this draft would be able to refine his skills to become at least a mid level NFL starting LT. Something about the sound of that doesn't give me a warm, fuzzy feeling.

I certainly get the allure of bringing in Williams. I'm just skeptical because of how the stars will have to align in order for him to suit up as a Brown.

Getting a deal done with the 'skins won't be easy all by itself. They've been weird with the Williams situation from 'go'.

Getting a deal done with Williams won't be easy by itself. He has had some injuries leading up to the growth situation, and he's been out of football for a year. Based on his alleged contract demands, it sounds like he doesn't accept that his recent history is pushing down his value.

Ian Rapoport
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Sources: The #Dolphins have called the teams in front of them for a possible trade up from No. 5 and are gauging the price to come up to No. 3 to potentially take an offensive tackle. We could see a run on tackles in the Top 10 like never before.

If they do that i wonder if they go get Cam or maybe Winston ... either that or there fine with Fitz or maybe they saw sumptin in Rosen ...

Either that or the sources are the lions and there trying to up the price for someone seriously looking to get there ...

If the report is correct, it seems they feel one LT prospect is head and shoulders above the rest and not the "insert name here" most have been advocating for a top 10 pick. I mean no sense paying a bunch to move up from number five if you think three or four LT draft picks are that closely lumped together in value.

And they must know NYG likes this prospect

That's total smoke. They are gauging the price to move up to 3 because they want a QB. But they also don't want to spook San Diego into trading the farm and paying the price that they themselves aren't willing to pay to move up to #2.

I was telling a friend a few weeks ago that a trade to #3 almost seems inevitable. The Lions will want either Okudah or Simmons, and both will likely be there at 5 or 6. The Chargers and Fins need a QB, so they'll likely have a bidding war to get to #3 and get their preferred guy. I doubt the Skins trade down, as Young is the best player in the draft and won't be available at 5 or 6, so it would probably take a significant haul for them to move.

I agree ... what I don't understand is how Herbert is being touted as being taken ahead of Tua. I know Tua got hurt but he's twice the QB that Herbert will ever be in my opinion. Herbert reminds me of a less athletic Josh Allen - his measurables are great but his accuracy is a question and forecasting that improving in the NFL seems a huge stretch.

Where are you seeing that? Most of what I read has Tua being well ahead of Herbert. Unless it's mock drafter trying to be edgy for web-clicks, or the Chargers and Fins trying to talk up the other guy so either the other team gets baited into taking him, or the fanbase doesn't jump off a building when they get the consolation prize ...

Here are some who had some success at Offensive Tackle Drafted in the 2nd Rd. or later for the last 30 Years

2018 3rd Rd. Orlando Brown T Baltimore Ravens
2017 4th Rd. Julie'n Davenport T Houston Texans
2016 2nd Rd. Jason Spriggs T Green Bay Packers
2016 5th Rd. Halapoulivaati Vaitai T Philadelphia Eagles
2015 2nd Rd. Rob Havenstein T St. Louis Rams
2015 3rd Rd. Chaz Green T Dallas Cowboys
2014 2nd Rd. Cyrus Kouandjio T Buffalo Bills
2014 2nd Rd. Jack Mewhort T Indianapolis Colts
2014 7th Rd. Seantrel Henderson T Buffalo Bills
2013 4th Rd. David Bakhtiari T Green Bay Packers
2012 2nd Rd. Mitchell Schwartz T Cleveland Browns
2012 2nd Rd. Kelechi Osemele T Baltimore Ravens
2012 4th Rd. Bobby Massie T Arizona Cardinals
2011 2nd Rd. Marcus Gilbert T Pittsburgh Steelers
2009 2nd Rd. Max Unger T Seattle Seahawks
2009 2nd Rd. Phil Loadholt T Minnesota Vikings
2009 4th Rd. T.J. Lang T Green Bay Packers
2008 7th Rd. Geoff Schwartz T Carolina Panthers
2008 7th Rd. Kirk Barton T Chicago Bears
2007 3rd Rd. Marshal Yanda T Baltimore Ravens
2006 2nd Rd. Winston Justice T Philadelphia Eagles
2006 2nd Rd. Andrew Whitworth T Cincinnati Bengals
2006 3rd Rd. Eric Winston T Houston Texans
2006 4th Rd. Willie Colon T Pittsburgh Steelers
2005 2nd Rd. Michael Roos T Tennessee Titans
2004 3rd Rd. Max Starks T Pittsburgh Steelers
2004 4th Rd. Nat Dorsey T Minnesota Vikings
2004 7th Rd. Shane Olivea T San Diego Chargers
2003 2nd Rd. Jonathan Stinchcomb T New Orleans Saints
2001 2nd Rd. Matt Light T New England Patriots
2000 2nd Rd. Chad Clifton T Green Bay Packers
1999 2nd Rd. Jon Jansen T Washington Redskins
1999 4th Rd. Jay Humphrey T Minnesota Vikings
1998 3rd Rd. Robert Hicks T Buffalo Bills
1998 4th Rd. Jason Fabini T New York Jets
1998 5th Rd. Oliver Ross T Dallas Cowboys
1998 6th Rd. Matt Birk T Minnesota Vikings
1997 2nd Rd. Jerry Wunsch T Tampa Bay Buccaneers
1997 2nd Rd. Adam Meadows T Indianapolis Colts
1996 3rd Rd. Roman Oben T New York Giants
1996 4th Rd. Jon Runyan T Houston Oilers
1995 2nd Rd. Zach Wiegert T St. Louis Rams
1995 2nd Rd. Barrett Brooks T Philadelphia Eagles
1994 2nd Rd. Tre' Johnson T Washington Redskins
1994 2nd Rd. Larry Allen T Dallas Cowboys
1994 3rd Rd. George Hegamin T Dallas Cowboys
1993 2nd Rd. Todd Rucci T New England Patriots
1993 4th Rd. Ron Stone T Dallas Cowboys
1993 5th Rd. Everett Lindsay T Minnesota Vikings
1992 3rd Rd. Siupeli Malamala T New York Jets
1991 2nd Rd. Joe Valerio T Kansas City Chiefs
1991 3rd Rd. Erik Williams T Dallas Cowboys
1991 3rd Rd. Kevin Donnalley T Houston Oilers
1991 5th Rd. Harry Boatswain T San Francisco 49ers
1990 3rd Rd. Glenn Parker T Buffalo Bills
1990 6th Rd. Frank Pollack T San Francisco 49ers
1990 7th Rd. Joe Staysniak T San Diego Chargers
1990 11th Rd. Justin Strzelczyk T Pittsburgh Steelers

Yes it has just Check out the tackles drafted in the last 30 years in the 2nd Rd. or later in the post above ...

You really stretched that "some success" thing didn't you?

BTW- How many of those guys played RT and not LT?

Ive seen it a few times, Dane Brugler he's also showing it on his final mock draft and he is very credible.

Most of them started for a few years and it just said tackle ...

I guess one would have to decide if using a late first round or early second round pick on a tackle "who can start for a few years" as a wise investment of draft capital or not.

Then on top of that, not knowing if they'll ever be able to play LT which is what we need. That's of course if they will even be able to play the OT position at all.

Let me add Cody Risien was drafted in the 7th Rd. in 1979

So then that eliminates all the Tackles except Andrew Thomas and if he is gone that means trade down or BPA, because he the only true LT in the draft ??

Two pretty Good Cleveland Browns LT's Doug Dieken Drated 6th Rd. 1971 Paul Farren Drafted 12th Rd. 1983 and Dieken came out of Illinois as a TE

To me it pretty mch boils down to two of them. But that's just my opinion.

Wills was projected to move to LT before the combine. So I can see him as a distinct possibility along with Thomas. But in regards to Wirfs and Becton I don't see it at #10. But I'm just a fan.

j/c

Two words...Josh Jones...possibly even at #10. JMG

I have heard that Wills could play LT but the rumor mills says the Browns may like Josh Jones best of all, so maybe thats why all of the trade down talk?

I started talking about liking Jones about a week ago, I have not heard anything about the Browns liking him ...where is that rumor coming from?

Anything is possible at this point. But I would find drafting him at #10 quite unlikely. I guess the bottom line to me is the idea of five or six LT's that are at least mid level starters in the NFL for the long haul is pretty unlikely. Who will be the winners and losers after all the picks are made is left to be seen.

Mary Kay picked it up from your post last week ... now its come full circle ... *L* ...

JC

I’m far from a talent evaluator, especially on the OL ... but this draft has been touted as the one with good OT prospects.

Good news for us ... it’s a big area of concern and it’s a make or break year for Baker. So, get the best LT possible

Wow, the intrigue is killin' me!

I understand the talk of drafting an LT, but is there news that the team is not planning on Jack Conklin at LT?

j/c:

I don't think that there is anything in writing saying that we're not playing him at LT, but you can pretty much write it in concrete on your own, I'd think.

Not if we are reaching to get him, screw that. There are 22 starting positions on the field. You can eliminate say 10 because the positions aren't as important and you simply have no need. I mean we aren't giving up on Baker at this point, so we aren't drafting a QB in round 1.

If 2-3 tackles are selected by our selection, that tells me at least some teams feel we will be selecting the 3rd or 4th best LT in the draft..I don't want that. Stick to the board. No way our board has 4 LT's in the top 10 players. No way.

Trade back at that point and get one of the next wave if you insist on drafting for need.

We can still sign free agents for need. That is what you do. FA is all about needs. You aren't signing guys simply because they are the best available. You sign them because you need them.

If you are drafting for needs in the first 3 rounds, you are a loser. I can possible see targeting a position in the 2nd round, or your 2nd pick of the draft. QB is the only outlier here. If you need a QB, you probably do have to reach at some point.

After that, BPA until maybe the 6th round if you need some sort of kicker, snapper, or returner. Then, ok, burn a pick for the need.

If you are drafting for need in the top 10 of the draft, you are short sighted and you are done.

j/c:

This thread got crazy. Lou Groza? LOL

Anyway, I have a question from one of Diam's posts:





A last-minute suitor for whom? OJ Howard or Trent Williams?

Howard I would assume. They have Joe Staley.