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Not sure why, but the highlighted part made me chuckle.

Currently, it seems that we are seeing a large upswing with things in South America.

I think as autumn sets in there and they head toward winter, it will accelerate. Basically, this is their "2nd wave". Brazil has had as many deaths and more new cases than the US the last several days running.... and they are testing at less than 10% the rate which we are testing.

Also on the upswing is India.
With a population of 1.3 billion, they are testing at about HALF the rate of Brazil, lol.... and their numbers are growing rapidly.

South America is definitely the new epicenter, but India/Pakistan may take that in short order.

Scientist admits Sweden could have battled virus better

By DAVID KEYTON, Associated Press 2 hrs ago



STOCKHOLM (AP) — Sweden's chief epidemiologist showed contrition Wednesday as criticism mounted over the Scandinavian country's hotly debated method of fighting the coronavirus, which has resulted in one of the highest death rates per capita in the world.

Sweden has stood out among European nations and the world for the way it has handled the pandemic, not shutting down the country or the economy like others but relying on citizens’ sense of civic duty. Swedish authorities have advised people to practice social distancing, but schools, bars and restaurants have been kept open the entire time. Only gatherings of more than 50 people have been banned.

“I think there is potential for improvement in what we have done in Sweden, quite clearly,” Anders Tegnell of the Public Health Agency told Swedish radio.

Sweden, a nation of 10.2 million people, has seen 4,468 deaths linked to COVID-19, which is far more than its Nordic neighbors and one of the highest death rates per capita in the world. Denmark has had 580 coronavirus deaths, Finland has seen 320 and Norway has had 237, according to a tally by Johns Hopkins University.

“If we were to encounter the same disease again, knowing precisely what we know about it today, I think we would settle on doing something in between what Sweden did and what the rest of the world has done,” said Tegnell, considered the architect of the unique Swedish pandemic approach.

Authorities in Sweden, including Tegnell, have been criticized — and have apologized — for failing to protect the country's elderly and nursing home residents.

But Tegnell said Wednesday it was still unclear what the country should have done differently. He also said other nations are unable to tell exactly what measures affected the outcome of their outbreaks because they threw everything at it in one go.

“Maybe we know that now, when you start easing the measures, we could get some kind of lesson about what else, besides what we did, you could do without a total shutdown,” Tegnell said.

Asked if the country's high death toll has made him reconsider his unique approach to the pandemic, Tegnell answered “yes, absolutely.”

The moves recommended by Tegnell have made Sweden a bit of a local pariah and did not spare the Swedish economy. More than 76,000 people have been made redundant since the outbreak began and unemployment, which now stands at 7.9%, is expected to climb higher.

Last week, neighboring Norway and Denmark said they were dropping mutual border controls but would keep Sweden out of a Nordic “travel bubble.”

Danes said they will reopen the border next month to residents of neighboring Germany, as well as to Norway and Iceland, as it accelerates the easing of its coronavirus lockdown. However, Denmark, which has a bridge that goes directly to Sweden, has postponed a decision on whether to reopen to Swedish visitors until after the summer.


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/sci...ocid=spartandhp

I just saw that, too.

It's interesting that they say it didn't spare the economy when they didn't shut anything down. I think that is disingenuous and that a negative impact to the economy was a given no matter what. That only question was the magnitude.

They definitely didn't do enough to protect their elderly and nursing home residents, however, and that accounted for a very large chunk of their excess deaths. Had they just done more there, I think they would have come through it much, much better and would have been as close to solid model as you can get.

I think the key part is the snippet from their chief epidemiologist.

They basically said... had we known before what we know now, we would have done things differently. This shouldn't be a mind-blowing statement. We knew so little even when it was first understood to be a full-blown pandemic.

That's no longer the narrative. You need to keep up with the times.

What they really did was flip the middle finger at the elderly in there country. You know the ones who worked ther whole lives. The ones who helped build there country into what it is today. They took their parents, and grandparents and told them they didn't matter and they should just die and get it over with You know kinda like so many Americans want to do.

It wasn't just in "those countries". Glad to see you threw in that last part. We grew up in an era where we were taught to respect, honor and protect your elders.

Those days are obviously gone.

Some folks want to bury them beside common sense, and some of us OLD, OLD, OLD folks will fight for them anyway

j/c...

I agree in that I always had a deep respect for the elderly. Some of them turned out to be idiots, but I always tried to learn from those who had more experience than I. Not the rigid, hateful folks.........but the wise folks who had a lifetime of real-life teaching experiences. Hell, a lot of those guys and women were black. Most of them were once foreigners, though. Coming from the "old country" w/out knowing the language, having a place to live, or a job......and they somehow made it. They made it because they worked their asses off and complied w/the laws of the land.

In a related topic, I laugh when I read folks who say they are more open-minded because they are younger. Yet, they only argue one side of the coin. It might be the opposite side of the coin, but it is indeed...one-sided. I laugh because no generation fueled as much change as the generation that reached adulthood in the mid 60s to early 70s. More laws got passed to help even the playing field than ever before. Yet somehow, we have people who completely ignore that and claim they are the enlightened ones.

I am very troubled right now and it is probably a recurring theme in several of my posts...............but, I see so much good being undone because of the selfish acts of the uneducated.

It's a quote from the chief epidemiologist from a day ago showing contrition... how is it not the current narrative?

He walked it back in a Swedish interview, and said the quotes were taken out of context.

Oh damn...

My bad, Pit!

Here's the original article (Swedish):

https://www.svt.se/nyheter/inrikes/tegnell-sjalvkritisk-mer-atgarder-hade-behovts

j/c...

Uhhh... I've been back to playing ice hockey for the past 2 weeks.

Is there anything left closed?

I was trying to think of that myself... outside of Cedar Point/Kings Island, which sued to open?

Arena events...

In Ohio, are YMCAs allowing pickup basketball?

Matt Wright Fox 8
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BREAKING: Gov. Mike DeWine announces Ohio casinos, racinos, amusement parks, water parks and outdoor theaters can open 2 weeks from today

https://twitter.com/mattwrighttv/status/1268974180168601600

I went an had a covid antibody test today. I have no reason to think I'm positive because I quarantined up until the restaurants/bars opened. I'm just curious. It would be good for me to know since I have a immune system disease. (Crohns) I will have the results next week.

There were soooooo many people at that Quest Diagnostics. I felt sick just being in there.

I just wanted to say something. The other day, I stopped into my favorite burger shop, and got a burger. The dining room was open, so I had the chance to actually sit down for a meal. It was nice.

There were only a few people in the dining room. It was past the normal lunch rush, and most people probably weren't even aware that they were open inside.

The young lady working struck up a conversation as she cleaned the dining room. She went over ever table that was available, even if they didn't appear to have been used. She was very nice.

We started to talk about jobs and such, and she is happy that she has held onto her job throughout this whole situation .... though she sometimes wonders if it's best. Her boyfriend was making about $600/week from his job. He got laid off. Now he is getting full unemployment benefits, plus $600/week. He is not going to go back to work as long as he makes more money not working. She said that she doesn't know whether to be ashamed of him, or to be jealous.

It really is pretty scary what the government has done in the name of compassion to de-incentivize work.

I honestly thought that was illegal. I thought if you got called back to work, you had to go back to work. And if you didn't, you were in violation of the unemployment rules and could face financial consequences, or even jail time.

Is the covid "mass layoff" changing that?

From my understanding, you are correct. If you are called to go back to work you cannot continue to collect.

Yeah well that's not quite the way it all works. If your employer calls you back to work and you refuse to show up, all they have to do is report you refuse to come back to work and your unemployment will be cut off. If you avoid your employer so they can't contact you? Unemployment will give you a notice and if you ignore it you will lose your unemployment.

I know that's not the narrative people are trying to sell but that's how it works.

That was my understanding as well. But, I'm no expert on it, so that's why I asked if the covid mass layoff thing changed it.

I know in the past, if you were laid off, you were required to 'attempt' to get a job. Don't know if that changed either. My guess is, it did, but again, I don't know. That's why I asked.

He may not have been called back yet, and just said that .... I am not sure, but that is the way she put it.

Since Georgia was among the first to open back up, here is our graph.

https://dph.georgia.gov/covid-19-daily-status-report

We had a second smaller peak and its going back down. But looks like there might be a third peak. Maybe due to the protesting.

We also opened bars and clubs this week. I think everything is able to open now. Although there are still a lot of businesses havent/cant reopen.

Almost certainly too early for protests to cause an effect -- effects from events should be exponential in the incubation time (which is like 5 days). Won't see the maximum effects from any protests for another 2-3 weeks.

Florida Sets New Single-Day Record for Coronavirus Cases Since Reopening Economy, Over 4,000 in Three Days
BY MATTHEW IMPELLI ON 6/5/20 AT 1:50 PM EDT

Coronavirus By the Numbers: U.S. States Reopen As COVID-19 Cases Reach 6.1 Million Worldwide

On Friday, Florida's Department of Health reported a new single day record for coronavirus cases since the state began reopening.

According to the department, there were at least 1,495 new cases reported as of Friday, which brings Florida's total number to over 61,000. There were also at least 53 new deaths reported, increasing the state's total number to at least 2,660.

The number of cases reported on Friday marked a new single-day high number of cases since Florida implemented phase one of its reopening plan on May 18. The previous single-day high was on April 17, when the department reported at least 1,416 new cases.


In addition to hitting a single-day record, Florida has also seen a spike in the number of cases over the past three days. According to the state's department of health, there have been at least 4,231 new cases in the past three days, with 1,317 on Wednesday; 1,419 on Thursday; and now 1,495 on Friday.
Across Florida, a majority of the cases have stemmed from Miami-Dade County, Palm Beach County and Broward County. According to the health department, there are currently at least 19,056 cases in Miami-Dade; 7,572 in Broward; and 6,859 in Palm Beach.


https://www.newsweek.com/florida-sets-ne...vF-ZdGS0kYuCtIk

j/c:

Covid 19: Couples should wear face masks during sex, new study insists:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/news/article.cfm?c_id=6&objectid=12337417

Lol I cannot imagine anything more creepy.

I used to keep one of these on hand for "special occasions".

The virus is in semen, so I cant imagine that masks will save you.

Back in the day, I was at a Masquerade party at a very nice private club and I had sex w/a lady who was wearing a mask. Trust me, Eve...............it was anything but creepy.

j/c:

That had better not be true.

The entire freakout over this thing was largely predicated on the unknown of asymptomatics being able to readily transmit the virus.


Then again, it's WHO. Give it a week or two and they'll change what they're saying.