I just got caught up on all of this. I stand corrected. There is ZERO evidence this guy was resisting at all. He was on on his stomach with his hands cuffed behind his back and these goons strangled him to death.
This is such BS!!!!
These guys can not be allowed to get away with this. I'm not in favor of looting, but I understand the anger. Folks have every right to be furious about this.
I really hope they do the right thing, bring the proper murder charges, and serve the justice required in this case.
To me it appears this guy done everything right. He complied, got out of the car when ordered, let them cuff him, and then they kill him anyway?
Excuse my language but **** that!!! That is such BS, stuff like this just kills any good will police had left with the public. What makes it worse is the goon putting his knee on the guys neck has that ignorant grin on his face like he is happy about it or something..like some sociopath....absolutely disgusting that this has transpired the way it has...just disgusting..
Am I the only one that noticed the ones complaining about the looting and rioting ALSO complained about Colin SILENTLY taking a knee...…
It seems to me, that some just don't want to hear the message, no matter the way its spread.
And I say this, fully knowing I stated at the time I disagreed with Kaep.
I kneel with him today.
I remember.
You and I talked about it back then in the thread(s).
I told myself: "This is going to take time. Good folks aren't yet ready to hear this. Just keep talking." Well... that was a good many years ago.
I got worn out.
I'm over 60 years of age, and have been sending this message since my early 20's. Even when My Pops was running our local Uniform Division with his badge on, 5 days/wk. I did it in local Indi papers, and later, online- in places just like this.
I tried talking about the origins of BLM at this web address, and was shouted down/drowned out by folks who weren't tryna hear me. For them, Kaep was a middling football talent who "disrespected our troops and flag," and BLM were a "domestic terror organization." I tried to speak openly and honestly about the origins of both, seeing as how I was ahead of the news curve on both. Those who took issue with me, chose to listen to sources other than me, presumably because the message they needed to hear at that time was easier to swallow/identify with than my posts. At any rate, their overwhelming response was:
It's been this way all along, willit. I was a kid when MLK marched across that bridge in AL. I was a young man in my early 30's when Rodney King was struck 52-56 times by 2-4 L.A. officers with batons. I was an older, middle-aged man when Eric Garner was choked to death after being stopped on the street for selling 'loosies' (individual cigarettes). And here I am again, 6 more years later, watching another thread like this grow, evolve... and eventually die. With another Fellow Human Being's life snuffed out.
With nothing ever changing.
Yet another- again. After all the others... yet again.
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At this moment, I'd like to take a short break... and ask this rhetorical question of my fellow pound mates: "How many times have you been pulled over/ticketed/questioned in your life?"
If your answer is 2 or 3, you're probably in the 'overwhelming majority' crowd. If your answer is 4-6, you were probably a bit of a hellraiser in your younger days. The type of stuff that gets you the best cocktail party points, when juiced-up stories start gettin' shared.
Let me tell you about my life.
4 stops were my average per year from the time I turned 21, until I reached my early 30's. The number of stops decreased throughout my 30's, and finally stopped, only when when my hair started turning gray, early 40's.
(Profiling is real. Just like we've been telling you, all along.)
CLEMLIFE: 4-6 times per year when I was 21. When I was 22. When I was 23. When I was 24. when I was 25. When I was 26... ...for almost 1/3 of the life I've now lived.
Every. F'kng. Year. Like clockwork. Year after year. Because I don't look like the cop who's looking at me.
How many of you have experienced this as a regular feature of your lives? Yeah- that's what I thought. Not very many of you.
I'd venture to guess that only Swish's and a scant handful of other Dawgs' Life Experiences come close- and you wonder why he and I speak as we do.
So ask yourselves: could you successfully make it through 30 copstops in 10 years?
You'd have to, if you wanted to live long enough to post on this website as Clemdawg- in May, 2020. I'm not sure how many of you actually possess what it takes to have lived my life.
Because I wasn't just raised by My Parents. I was raised... and trained.
Responsible, successful parents give their offspring the requisite survival skills to navigate life in the wild. Some parents need to give their babies extra training, if they are to be 'successful parents,' and raise babies who will not only survive, but also thrive.
**short break over.**
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It always happened when I was out-of-town. Why was that?
Local police left me alone because they knew me. They'd watched me grow up at the station, and knew what kind of person I was. In my home town, as I was growing up, Men In Blue were my extended family; my uncles. But truth be told: I was only 'safe' in my home town, and I was never truly worry-free even then. When I left the safety of Home, all bets were off. I had 2 or 3 encounters that still raise my heart rate whenever I think of them, some 25 years later. Truly sketchy close calls, with me unarmed (because why would a classical musician feel the need to walk around strapped?), and the other person outfitted with a 3 ft stick, mace canister, a set of cuffs, and a lethal weapon- 18 inches from his dominant hand.
willitevachange: In 2011, I fulfilled My Parents' wildest imaginings for their musically-inclined son: I performed on the stage of Stern Auditorium at Carnegie Hall. And I'm convinced that back in 1979, I came within 3-4 minutes from ever even knowing you, or seeing that incredible weekend in NYC. (If that older cop hadn't rolled up when he did- oh, my God....).
PTSD is something very real. Even now, I am concentrating on controlling my breathing cadence. It helps to control my pulse.
I am totally convinced that I survived those moments because I was taught to suppress my fight/flight response, control my breathing, answer in short, flat sentences, and make NO SUDDEN MOVES. Of any sort. Not ever.
In short: My Father trained me, and trained me, and trained me. Even when my eyes rolled. Because he was a cop. And because he was the father of a black son.
Ask yourself: of your family and close friends, how many of them ever felt the need to:
1. know this sort of thing, and 2. feel it's important enough to drill it into the heads of their loved ones?
It's a right of passage in My Community. If you know how, try to search this site's archives for a thread that was dedicated to 'The Talk.'
Spoiler: when Black Fathers sit their tween sons down for 'The Talk,' they aren't talking about 'the birds & the bees.'
They are training their sons to survive as adolescent/young adult Black Men in a world that sees them as perennial, existential threats.
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I was OK with Kaep kneeling. I was OK with BLM, too.
Because I was OK with MLK. And Malcolm. Because I was also OK with 'my glove-fisted Big Brothers' at the '68 Olympics in Mexico City. And Stokely. And Marley. And Richard Wright. And Ta-Nehisi Coates. And any number of dozens more of deep-thought Af/Am intellectuals who have spoken Truth, which has always placed them at the bleeding edge of that intersection of mortality/1A public discourse.
I'm OK with all of our voices singing out- in different keys, meters, modes, even languages.
Because the text hasn't changed since colonial times.
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So... welcome to my life, willit.
I hope this post of mine helps to further your exploration of some other Browns fan's "American Experience."
And in appreciation/acknowledgement of your post, I'll add this sentiment:
Thank you for hearing us. Please add your voice to Our Righteous Chorus. We need all of us in this. And we need all The Good Cops on our side, as well.
p.s I don't usually write long-form epics like this any more at this site. I was inspired to do so tonight, because of what you shared with us. Please know that your voice is appreciated in this conversation.
I hardly ever quote/bump long posts, but if one was ever worthy ...this is the one. Don't skim over it, it deserves reading and reacting to.
And into the forest I go, to lose my mind and find my soul. - John Muir
At this moment, I'd like to take a short break... and ask this rhetorical question of my fellow pound mates: "How many times have you been pulled over/ticketed/questioned in your life?"
If your answer is 2 or 3, you're probably in the 'overwhelming majority' crowd. If your answer is 4-6, you were probably a bit of a hellraiser in your younger days. The type of stuff that gets you the best cocktail party points, when juiced-up stories start gettin' shared.
hmmmmm I was pulled over 25-30 times per year in my younger days.
At this point the police, state patrol, and national guard are showing restrain.
There comes a point where they shouldn't. Many of the victims aren't big companies like Target, not that Target doesn't matter. They are diners, convenience stores, auto shops. Many minority owned.
Yep, lets protest the white cop who killed a black man by robbing other minorities, like Africans, Mexicans, Asians, and yes, even the Caucasian who has his or her store in the same neighborhood. Most white folk don't live in gated communities. They are just trying to scrape by like anybody else.
The cop who knelt on his neck should be charged with involuntary manslaughter. That can be proven. That is maybe 4 years in prison.
I think it would be hard to prove the cop intended to kill the guy.
Like I said, cops need psychological testing above what they may already receive. You have to have a stable mentality to deal with the public.
You have to have a person who is able to kill, but not eager.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
So the Minneapolis PD can arrest a CNN reporter, but not the pigs that murdered George Floyd?
The country we live in.......
Burn. It. Down.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Jeudy is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Tillman is flanked out wide to the right. Judkins and Ford are split in the backfield as Flacco takes the snap ... Here we go."
*The cop with the knee gets 2nd degree murder. Life in prison. *The remaining 3 get manslaughter. 20 years in prison. *The Chief of Police gets fired. *The Superintendent of the Minneapolis Police Academy gets fired.. *The Police training program gets taken over by the Feds. *The officer that made the decision to arrest the CNN Crew gets fired.
*The cop with the knee gets 2nd degree murder. Life in prison. *The remaining 3 get manslaughter. 20 years in prison. *The Chief of Police gets fired. *The Superintendent of the Minneapolis Police Academy gets fired.. *The Police training program gets taken over by the Feds. *The officer that made the decision to arrest the CNN Crew gets fired.
Can they go to trail first? Yes, there needs to be significant punishment dealt out to this murder, But, we cannot lose sight in who we are in a Country and that is everyone (even scumbags) deserve due process.
"The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other peoples' money." Margarat Thatcher
*The cop with the knee gets 2nd degree murder. Life in prison. *The remaining 3 get manslaughter. 20 years in prison. *The Chief of Police gets fired. *The Superintendent of the Minneapolis Police Academy gets fired.. *The Police training program gets taken over by the Feds. *The officer that made the decision to arrest the CNN Crew gets fired.
Can they go to trail first? Yes, there needs to be significant punishment dealt out to this murder, But, we cannot lose sight in who we are in a Country and that is everyone (even scumbags) deserve due process.
yep, I think trial is especially important for the other 3 officers and the entire PD there.
I think we all can ASSume the murderer will be punished, especially given the scope of this incident. But the others will be important to watch as well.
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Jeudy is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Tillman is flanked out wide to the right. Judkins and Ford are split in the backfield as Flacco takes the snap ... Here we go."
*The cop with the knee gets 2nd degree murder. Life in prison. *The remaining 3 get manslaughter. 20 years in prison. *The Chief of Police gets fired. *The Superintendent of the Minneapolis Police Academy gets fired.. *The Police training program gets taken over by the Feds. *The officer that made the decision to arrest the CNN Crew gets fired.
Can they go to trail first? Yes, there needs to be significant punishment dealt out to this murder, But, we cannot lose sight in who we are in a Country and that is everyone (even scumbags) deserve due process.
yep, I think trial is especially important for the other 3 officers and the entire PD there.
I think we all can ASSume the murderer will be punished, especially given the scope of this incident. But the others will be important to watch as well.
Agree. There needs to be some serious action taken. Then applied to the entire country.
"The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other peoples' money." Margarat Thatcher
*The cop with the knee gets 2nd degree murder. Life in prison. *The remaining 3 get manslaughter. 20 years in prison. *The Chief of Police gets fired. *The Superintendent of the Minneapolis Police Academy gets fired.. *The Police training program gets taken over by the Feds. *The officer that made the decision to arrest the CNN Crew gets fired.
Can they go to trail first? Yes, there needs to be significant punishment dealt out to this murder, But, we cannot lose sight in who we are in a Country and that is everyone (even scumbags) deserve due process.
Of course. Make sure the video is played at the trial. No suppression of evidence.
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Jeudy is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Tillman is flanked out wide to the right. Judkins and Ford are split in the backfield as Flacco takes the snap ... Here we go."
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Jeudy is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Tillman is flanked out wide to the right. Judkins and Ford are split in the backfield as Flacco takes the snap ... Here we go."
Tom Winter @Tom_Winter BREAKING / NBC News: Hennepin County Attorney Mike Freeman says former Minneapolis Police Officer Derek Chauvin has been charged with 3rd degree murder and manslaughter.
Tom Winter @Tom_Winter MORE: If convicted, Chauvin faces a maximum of 25 years in prison.
@Tom_Winter MORE: The crime is defined as a person not intending to cause the death of a person does end up causing that death “by perpetrating an act eminently dangerous to others and evincing a depraved mind, without regard for human life.”
I wonder how they’ll charge the other 3 .. interesting to see what their investigation provides
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Jeudy is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Tillman is flanked out wide to the right. Judkins and Ford are split in the backfield as Flacco takes the snap ... Here we go."
Did anyone post this yet? I skimmed through the last two pages quickly, didn't see it: New George Floyd video shows the man begging to be allowed to stand so that he can catch his breath as THREE police officers kneel on him
The guy appears to be white...the guy who started the break-in of the the Auto Zone, breaking out many of the stores front windows, appears to white.
Watching the video link , clearly the guy is attempting to hide his identity, dressed in all-black with a ski mask and full face gas mask, black gloves and shoes, even holding a black umbrella to hide from any overhead video shots.
But, at the 0:58 seconds to 1:01 point of the video, looking at the eyes/face of guy, you can clearly see that it's a white guy attempting to hide his identity.
Just a hunch on my part, but to me it looks as if a white guy is attempting to escalate the situation by breaking the windows, hoping rioters will begin to break into the Auto Zone..jmho.
I was off a little. I said 2nd degree murder, prosecution went with 3rd degree. I disagree, but he’s a paid pro at his position, he has evidence that he can see and more experience than I do.
I maintain the other 3 s/b charged with manslaughter given the new vids that are out showing the remaining the 3 all with their knees on this guy.
The Minneapolis mayor needs to fire the Public Safety Director’ and the Chief of Police. We will only get a new start when heads roll and significant changes are implemented
The cop needs to be taken to the center of the city and hung in public. People who are clearly caught murdering someone should be hung in public.
Doesn't matter color or age, you see your friend hanging from a rope might change your way of thinking more than going to prison so you can keep living as a murderer.
The guy appears to be white...the guy who started the break-in of the the Auto Zone, breaking out many of the stores front windows, appears to white.
Watching the video link , clearly the guy is attempting to hide his identity, dressed in all-black with a ski mask and full face gas mask, black gloves and shoes, even holding a black umbrella to hide from any overhead video shots.
But, at the 0:58 seconds to 1:01 point of the video, looking at the eyes/face of guy, you can clearly see that it's a white guy attempting to hide his identity.
Just a hunch on my part, but to me it looks as if a white guy is attempting to escalate the situation by breaking the windows, hoping rioters will begin to break into the Auto Zone..jmho.
That's what I think too.
This is very interesting to me. The umbrella is probably used so he won't get detained/shot.
This thread has become kinda crazy. No way in the world can I agree w/the Colin Kaepernick thing. The dude is a fraud. I understand why black leaders tried to make him into their spokesperson because the cause is righteous. However, the guy is a complete piece of crap who is phony. I love the "cause," but you picked the wrong "cuz." How LeBron is not the face of the cause is beyond me.
Moving on, there is a new video out from a surveillance camera. It's surveillance camera #2 and it shows that Floyd was not resisting arrest after being handcuffed. Dude was murdered. And, I am still sickened and outraged by it. The bad thing is that some folks are turning this into something it is not. And w/that comes some negative long-term consequences because you are slapping the faces of the very people you claim you want to help you.
The cop needs to be taken to the center of the city and hung in public. People who are clearly caught murdering someone should be hung in public.
Doesn't matter color or age, you see your friend hanging from a rope might change your way of thinking more than going to prison so you can keep living as a murderer.
The guy appears to be white...the guy who started the break-in of the the Auto Zone, breaking out many of the stores front windows, appears to white.
Watching the video link , clearly the guy is attempting to hide his identity, dressed in all-black with a ski mask and full face gas mask, black gloves and shoes, even holding a black umbrella to hide from any overhead video shots.
But, at the 0:58 seconds to 1:01 point of the video, looking at the eyes/face of guy, you can clearly see that it's a white guy attempting to hide his identity.
Just a hunch on my part, but to me it looks as if a white guy is attempting to escalate the situation by breaking the windows, hoping rioters will begin to break into the Auto Zone..jmho.
That's what I think too.
This is very interesting to me. The umbrella is probably used so he won't get detained/shot.
Somebody asked elsewhere why the umbrella, like he was trying to hide or for an accomplice to spot from above. Then I thought that night there were a bunch of officers on the roof of the police station-right across the street
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