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Literally nobody is saying that.

Except to their insurance company.

OH really. Just tell me how much press and how many riots have happened over the cops who have been killed in our country.

Cops who have been killed in the line of duty receive a ton of press. There are public funeral processions, community events, etc. I've been to them.

Do people riot in the streets, loot stores, destroy property, beat up white people, set fires, throw bricks, etc, etc after a cop is killed?

This stuff is crazy! I have always backed minorities in general and blacks in particular. But damn man, this current strategy is not going to help relations. The damn murder of Floyd by a white cop outraged an entire nation, but the response by some members of the black community and their champions, is not actually going to help.

Both sides are so freaking ignorant and selfish.

Nevermind.

I got one right for a change.

I'm going to call your wife and tell her you were right

Have you burned down buildings? Have you forced minorities to go bankrupt because you burned down and or vandilized their buildings.

She will accuse you of being a paid shill.

Hell she always does that

A fact which she just reminded me of.

nah imma buy it with the reparation check homey!!!

Your going to need a little more than the 380,000 in reparation money to buy that chopper. I can chip in 88 cents for ya.

The army general ain't having any of this...



and neither is the Navy

Killing anybody is bad, but the risk comes with the job for police officers. You average citizen minding their own damn business shouldn't have to fear that the police will kill them on their way home. THAT DOESN'T COME WITH THE JOB OF CITIZEN. not for most of us anyway, just POC, mostly black people.

Oh please,

BS!

The protesting isn't about a black man getting killed. It about unarmed black men getting killed by the police, the people who are supposed to be our protectors. Then they get away with it without any ramification. These crimes get covered up. 1st the police act like it is justified until video shows that it was completely unjustified. Then they still get off, maybe they lose their jobs (small price to pay for a needless killing). I have a hard time believing the police are not trying to cover this up and protect one of their own. Just look at the differences in the 2 autopsy reports.

When a cop gets killed the difference is, it's all hands on deck to bring the cop killer to justice. That guy is going down.

Why is this happening just now with George Floyd?

Why doesn't Black Lives Matter march in relation to the Black on Black crime that happens every day? If I were part of them that's what I would do.

just want to say this year has been crazy... social distancing from a virus to protests people of all races coming together to make change to who knows what ...

Just want to put out a Love to you all... and hope you are all well. some hope in believing this will work out for all people of the world. If this ruins the Browns winning the Super Bowl this Year..I'm going to be pissed... lol

Be strong and be peaceful no matter what your believes are, just be kind and understanding to help fix this problem.

Protests are the expression of the powerless and downtrodden - not the powerful...

Back at you Diesel

I am confused about your intent. Have you not followed my commentary throughout this situation? If you have, you would certain know how outraged I was and that I advocate equity and equality for all people. You are coming across as trying to paint a picture of me that is untrue. Please don't do that.

I remember we are living in America, but America under Trump isn't the America of my parents and grandparents.. It's turning into Nazi Germany

By the way, Happy Birthday,,,

Not my intent to misrepresent you. Not trying to imply you aren't outraged. I saw a couple posts asking why we don't protest cops getting killed. Wanted to address them but got pulled away. Going back, I maybe should have found another post to quote but it was late and I was too tired to read the whole thread again to find the best one to comment on. Yours was the 1st I came across.

I also don't typically know who is posting what. I don't usually use my reading glasses on the computer so I enlarge the print. Doing so puts the name of the poster off the screen. I typically only look at the name for a post that is remarkable - either in a good way or a bad way.

Though If I am really bored, sometimes I read a post and try to guess the poster.

That is a failed argument because it is irrelevant and doesn't address what is going on here.

The fact of gang violence, or I assume "gang" violence resulting in several shootings and deaths in cities like Chicago, resulting in a large number of deaths of young black men is in no way addressing the feelings being expressed by folks on this board
like Swish, OldCold, and others.

Because it's not about one thing, it's about another, the 2nd being standing up to white people, or against white oppression, or perceived white oppression which might not be there,

( But it's always taught that it's there so ... if you teach something long enough people think it's true, and as a man thinks, so is he.)

Here's my evidence. That it's about overcoming, not just propping the black person up, but propping them up against a white person being put down.

Everybody knows who Venus and Serena Williams are, they are household names, who, about 25 years ago succeeded in the highest levels of tennis and in doing so brought the end of careers of whomever tennis players they beat, ( I don't remember which ones,)

But the tennis stars before, were mostly white, Some German, Euro countries, and Australian whatever,

Now! The public broadcast Fanfare given to this, some 25 years ago, on places like "the news" and "espn" and such, was phenomenal, like it often is,

Yet! in 2017, Venus' or Serena, I don't know which, had their career, well their number 1 status end as a young black lady beat them in great fashion.

Now! The fact that there is no public Fanfare, and nobody probably knows in any way, (because Venus and Serena are household names)
but nobody knows in any way the name of the Young lady who beat either Venus or Serena is evidence,
(see there is the evidence)

That it is not about making sure, (scratch that) er, let me say, that it is not about the celebration of black success on it's own, but

but rather, it is about the celebration of black success in the event of white failure, and

Therefore we can understand there is an effort to separate white and black people from unity with each other.
And personally, (my own personal thought) is it's from someone or something (group) that wants to see the USA lose strength as a nation.

Oh! and then I wake up this morning and espn radio has transcripts being read of Drew Brees apologizing for
I dunno, cause I didn't hear, but sounded like apologizing for saying he'd never stand against the flag of the USA.

Other tangent: Other thought all together: >

And it's like someone asking, "Would you say Black lives matter"
(cause I'm thinking bout it at work yesterday, and Man walks by me, and I'm considering him, and I love him, and sure of course I'd say "black lives matter"

WHAT ARE YOU NUTS! HOW COULD ANYONE NOT AGREE WITH THAT STATEMENT! Where is the love,
and the man I'm praying for, near dying in local hosp. fighting Corona, all his family I know about, Dear God, we need him, his family Needs him. I need him to pull through.

But the BLM movement, marching in the streets, and I see all this, and I see 4 cops shot, St Louis, and 1 in Vegas in the head, and one ran over somewhere else, (broken hip and other)
and I say, the movement, it's divisive and derisive
is derisive a word? is derision?

I don't know anymore, what is being accomplished?

I am all for the protests.

I am 110 percent against riots, looting, and vandalism.

I just find it very confusing and there seems to be some kind of narrative not to cover black on black crime. This is my experience by the media and other groups.

I was able to find an article that says the majority of African Americans are killed by other African Americans overwhelmingly. I think the injustice that cops display with "some" not "all" African Americans needs to be focused on rightly, but other areas need to be talked about as well and I don't see them getting the proper coverage they deserve. Why?

USA TODAY

The Black Lives Matter movement is in the national spotlight again this month, following the high-profile killings of two black men by police and the killings of police officers by black men in Dallas and Baton Rouge.

With the movement’s attention comes a familiar refrain: Why doesn’t Black Lives Matter focus on “black-on-black” crime?

It’s a question asked, in various forms, from Facebook to cable networks to comments on this site. The answer, one writer says, is Black Lives Matter isn’t solely focused on the loss of black lives but also on a lack of justice.

“When a civilian has committed a violent crime, they’re generally arrested, tried and then convicted,” Franchesca Ramsey, a writer and activist who discusses race, explains in the MTV series Decoded (which you can watch here in full).


“Conversely, there’s a lot of evidence that it’s very rare to secure an indictment against a police officer for excessive force. And an indictment is just a trial; it isn’t even a conviction.”

“Black Lives Matter isn’t just about the loss of life, which is always terrible. It’s about the lack of consequences when black lives are taken at the hands of police.”


Police officers shot and killed nearly 1,000 people last year, according to a Washington Post database. Eighteen officers faced charges for such shootings that year.

While nearly twice as many white Americans were killed by on-duty officers than blacks, the Post’s updated data showed, black Americans remained 2.5 times as likely to die at the hands of police when adjusting for population.

And when unarmed, the data showed that black Americans were five times as likely to be fatally shot as white ones.

Black Americans do find violence within the black community troubling: A YouGov poll from April shows a plurality of black Americans think it’s a bigger problem than racial injustice, as Vox’s Victoria M. Massie notes.

"(The) survey underscores what the people in these communities have long argued — that police brutality and crime are not mutually exclusive concerns for African Americans," she wrote.

Black Americans have launched anti-violence efforts in their communities (Ramsey mentions a PBS documentary about them, The Interruptors). But many in the Black Lives Matter movement have described "black-on-black" criticisms a diversion that ignores underlying issues like poverty.

“What we know is that gun violence absolutely presents tragedy every single day,” said Brittany Packnett, a prominent voice in the movement, on PBS NewsHour in December. “But if black life really matters to people … who insist that black-on-black crime is the real issue, then pay attention to poverty."

Poor white Americans experience violent crimes at rates virtually equal that of poor black Americans, as Massie points out in a 2014 Department of Justice study. Black and white Americans kill members of their own races at similar rates, too.

According to 2014 FBI data, 90% of African-American homicides were committed by African Americans. Similarly, 82% of white American homicides were committed by white Americans—what we might, but don’t, call “white-on-white” crime.

The difference: More than one in four black Americans live in areas of extreme poverty, according to a 2015 Century Foundation study. Only one in 13 whites live in such areas.

Well Daman you'll have your chance to effect that in November man, good luck.

Thanks so much for the birthday wishes, greatly appreciated!

I bet that the vast majority of those living in poverty are from single parent headed households. it is incredibly difficult for a single mother, born into poverty, to escape poverty.

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Some people would rather try and lump protests with riots. The two are not the same. The protests bring huge crowds of people that are exercising their constitutional rights. Rights we all have and share.

Some people try to muddle the issue with, "But why aren't they protesting *insert distraction here*".

Their issues are legitimate. The real question I have is why hasn't it happened before now?

The riots give people an excuse to deflect away from what's happening in our nation. Yet I understand that. I feel sorry for those who protest knowing those who riot detract from the real message. And I feel sorry for those that rationalize how the riots can be their weapon to ignore the atrocities taking place in our nation.

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Some people seemingly have a hard time separating a peaceful protest from those who break into stores and rob goods. I watched a live video of these black guys fighting each other over the clothes they stole.

Y'all can talk to the end of time, but I will NEVER support that. That's theft and they aren't freaking protesting. They are exploiting the situation.

On the other hand, peaceful protests should be permitted. It's a great way of having your voice heard. Screw Trump and his hateful ways. A lot of positive change has occurred in this country because people protested unfair actions. And police brutality falls under this category.

I will end this post by saying that folks on both sides won't like my post because it isn't all in favor of blacks or all in favor of whites. It will upset folks because it sees the pros and cons of both sides.

J/C

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