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Presidents use/make/create photo ops all the time. Barack and his beer summit - Bush in NYC after 9-11, Reagan at the wall, and yes, basement joe with his picture of him kneeling talking to.... ALL of them. There are literally thousands of examples.

Arch, do you think they have ever gone to a church before and not told them; and tear gassed em on the way over

Do you think they've ever gone to a church when there were protesters blocking the way?


Hey, by the by, here's one of YOURS:

Senior Democrat caught on hot mic at protest saying 'if I didn't have a primary I wouldn't care'



https://www.yahoo.com/news/senior-democrat-caught-hot-mic-201351896.html



Does anyone think the dems stand for them? THEY were the pro slavery side. Dems, as some none politician blacks have said "every 4 years, come election time, the politicians care about us."

The issues minorities have been dealing with for the last 30, 40, 50, 60 years are, to this day, identical. Nothing has changed, even with dem's in the oval, and in the senate, and in the house.

All, ALL politicians do the photo op things.

I'm asking as he claims the same faith as you. I want to know an opinion of another Christian if what Trump did last night is how a Christian should act.

You stole my thunder Arch I was ready to post the same thing,its so indicative of the left and so pathetic, and the MSM and libs here gives those slobs a pass.SMH

Hmmm - and they ALL needed to physically move peaceful demonstrators in order to do that? Right.

I don't think your comparisons are very like the Trump scenario. At all.

BOOOOOOOOOM !!!! There it is. Now instead of looking at the root cause of the issue, we are back to calling people who have different views names, and you are attacking their politics. Not even putting the spot light on the rioters... now it's about the polics you don't like. Forgotten is George Floyd and the racism and the White Privilege . . . Next it'll be the typical Alt Right propaganda about being un-american rhetoric that gets spewed out.

It's obvious you don't get/understand the security a u.s. president gets. Very obvious. Whether it's trump or any other president.

Oh, one other thing. Read up on protesters rights. Read up on how law enforcement IS allowed to move protestors if they impinge on the lawful movement of people on roads and/or sidewalks. You might be surprised.

What if he claimed the same faith as you? Would that untangle your panties?

I'd hold him accountable.

Will you do the same?

Hold him accountable for WHAT?:?

I would state he does not represent me and my beliefs if he did something contrary to what is told in the faith he would claims to share with me.

No - I clearly stated what the security will do. But if you want to end the convo that is fine. You clearly don't get that there was no need to do what Trump did. And it was nothing like the 1000's of other POTUS photo opps.

I noticed you conveniently haven't replied to this post I made:

Quotes, link and all.


And then you have the gall to say he doesn't represent you? Okay. I get that. Yet, you call your self an agnostic......so you don't share a faith with anyone, other than agnostics. And they don't share a faith.


Dang dude. You say .......eh, never mind.

I've seen cops lay down their batons and walk along side. That made me tear up, but what can I do as a middle aged white dude? Anything I say here about who my hero is and what I've tried to teach my daughter will come off as lip service. I know I can use my vote to put the people in power that will take this movement seriously going forward, though I don't normally believe campaign promises before or after the election, but what else?

I see my city hurting, I see friends hurting...what can I do?

You ever hear of a company called Centro?

Just looked them up. A small marketing firm in Chicago. Am I missing a detail?

You can continue to live a good life, bro. You can continue to treat people fairly. You can continue to not play the blame game. You can continue to preach peace and harmony. You can continue to raise your daughter to be open-minded and free of built-in biases.

I think you are doing one helluva job. Don't lose your faith in the good or your resolve to stand-up for what is right.

I read this board and I am continually astounded at just how many people are so gung-ho one way or another. Stupid labels like Libatards or Trumpians. This guy is always right or always wrong. It's moronic at best and dangerous at worst.

My "tribe" doesn't operate that way. I am talking about family and friends. None of us place the entire blame on any one group or person. We discuss things logically and try to seek solutions rather than assign blame. We want to build bridges rather than widen the divide.

I have a strong suspicion that you and yours are the same way. Don't let the scum get you down, bro. There are more people like us than you believe. Most of us just don't talk about it as much as those w/hateful hearts.

You can stop thinking that your experiences are only lip service. You can speak honestly and passionately about your beliefs. We'll hear the sincerity. Those who would oppose your views will probably always disagree, but you will also be sharing with other posters who are still forming their opinions about these issues. They might need to hear your words to feel compelled to point in a particular direction.

It's why I've left my stories here. If I'm going to share my views on these topics, folks might as well know why... and that comes from the people and events that have shaped your life and world view.

I've never minded talking about my heroes. They were such fine people, they deserve to be known by others. If I can be a part of that, I consider it more than a duty- I consider it a privilege.

I would listen.
I'm sure I'm not alone.

Perhaps. https://www.centro.net/company/about/

I happen to know the CEO.

He's as liberal as they come, a die hard democrat. Downtown Chicago. It's been interesting reading his posts on facebook.

Good advice. I think Punch is a good dude. He doesn't wander into this forum much, but I have read his stuff in other forums. He isn't aggressive, but he did call out a dude who was wishing Tyrone Lue [former Cavs coach] would get sick again. Punch is a quality dude.

I'm going to try something here because "this" is important to me and I am almost 100 percent sure it is important to you.

I think we have the same goals when it comes to race relations. Perhaps, we disagree slightly on how to get there? Would it be beneficial for us to unite in our ideology and accept that we don't agree w/on how to achieve our goal?

I might be wrong about us agreeing, so here is my off-the-cuff platform for discussion purposes. I have had some wine, so I reserve the right to amend this statement. LOL

--I believe all people should be entitled to the same rights.

--I do not believe than any person should be subjected to racial profiling or biased treatment.

--I do not believe that race should be used as an excuse for poor behavior. And yes, I am including blacks in this, too.

--I believe that we are all brothers and sisters and that we should try to unite rather than fight.

--I believe that each and every person should be judged/evaluated on their actions rather than on their skin color, religious beliefs, gender, political affiliations, etc.

What do you think about all of that?

PREAMBLE

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

These are the duties of our government.

Jc

How come trump hasn’t gotten together with the DoJ, law enforcement, and black leaders to discuss a policy, bill, whatever to get something done?

Not only would that help ease tensions in the streets, but that comes with the extra benefit of making trump look like a strong leader.

But instead, we get wannabe dictator trump. That’s just too much to ask for leadership at the top, huh?

Still no reply?

Those are easy to agree to.
They are universal ideals based in virtues.

First, hello, my friend.

Second, it’s really more about human nature than a particular race or group of people. No matter who is in the majority, the minorities will be oppressed. If African Americans were the majority they would oppress others, if Asians were the majority they would oppress others, if Gays were in the majority we would have fab military gear, an awesomely decorated White House, which wouldn’t be called that, and all be wearing sensible shoes.

The real issue is that people in the majority have to police themselves, and have to not see themselves as superior just because they happen to be lucky enough to be in the group where there just happens to be more. Again, given human nature, so far, that doesn’t seem to be something that we are very good at doing.

It’s actually more beautiful to be something different and rare. I doubt very many will understand or embrace that thought.

thanks for that.

And the Human Nature point is spot-on.

hhmmmm My house is well decorated. My shoes are sensible, I'm different, and RARE. Hey I must be gay

I think an overwhelming majority of Americans feel, believe and act this way. That is most-definitely the case in my life and my circles.

As we continue to watch these events unfold, this is a rare time in our history. Since January everything that could have gone wrong has.

1st we get hit with COVID19, and the President didn't handle it as well as he could have, regardless of pointing blame, we have over 100,00 deaths.

2nd they shut down the economy for 2+ months and now we have over 40 million unemployed.

People were already mad about how all of this transpired, and then the Floyd killing happened. That was the final straw. It literally pushed everyone over the edge that they are just tired of the inequality in this country. It covers all facets of life from racism, to poverty, to healthcare, to simple basic rights. These protests are about racism, but they are also about many other things, they are about joblessness, poverty, being forced into debt, losing their homes, etc.

If you look on the streets, its not just any one race of people, its people from all races, backgrounds, and walks of life.

Blacks are treated unfairly by the police.
Poor people are treated unfairly by banks
poor people are treated unfairly by government.

The CARES Act gave BILLIONS of dollars of tax payer money in bailouts to big banks, and just like with TARP, they take the money, and then turn around and take peoples homes.

The government ordered everyone into their homes, they promised us they would help us while we were out of work, and what did they do? Gave us 1200 per person dollars while giving their banks and corporate buddies BILLIONS of dollars while leaving everyone else to rot.

the government could have FORCED the banks and lending companies to stop all mortage and other payments until this nonsense was over, just put the payments on the back end of the loan. that means if you have 18 months to pay on your car, now you got 22.

I called a bank a few weeks back for my buddy who is behind due to being out of work, the bank told us they would furlough his payments for 3 months, but on the 4th month he would owe the past 3 months plus the current month all at the same time. I asked them how in the **** does that help someone. They haven't worked for 3 months, they had no income, how are they supposed to pay? I told them that was the dumbest policy I ever heard.

I am thankful I own my home free and clear of any mortgage, mine was paid off a few years ago. Its a fixer upper work in progress, However, not all Americans have it that lucky. Poor people and poor minorities are just being crushed by these banks.

Simply put, the anger your seeing now just isn't about racism. Racism is part of it, but another big part of it is the rampant inequality among the poor and to a degree the middle class. All the government does is take our money, and we get nothing in return. They give all our tax dollars to big banks and corporate buddies who then take a dump on us. They give banks BILLIONS of our tax payer money and then foreclose on peoples house, and our government allows this BS.

There is a lot to fix. Nothing short of legislation making lobbying a felony, setting up an independent watch dog with a court ordered warrant to review all politicians banking records, barring any donations from companies to campaign funds, and limiting individual campaign donations to 500 dollars per person per year would be a good start.

Give the average working man a chance to run for some of these offices in Congress.

We are governed by a bunch of out of touch millionaires who don't give a damn about the plight of the average American, this goes for all aspects, racial inequality, income inequality, poor inequality, etc...your seeing people fed up with all of this and its being portrayed in riots all across the country.

Will our government ever wake up and fix things though, that's the question. This isn't a matter of party. Putting Biden in office isn't going to change anything. the problems go far deeper than the President.

This country has a systematic problem with racism, but its also got a systematic problem of persecuting the poor, the government only benefits the rich and the powerful, it was never supposed to be this way.

"I hope we shall take warning from the example and crush in it’s birth the aristocracy of our monied corporations which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of strength, and to bid defiance to the laws of their country.' - Thomas Jefferson

Jefferson knew what the deal was...allow corporations to grow and they will plunder the public treasury while crushing the average American citizen under their boot heel while controlling our elected officials with money.

Not approved, but a heads up would've been good. Especially when you're going to have to goon it up to get your way in there. With the church operating as a sort of neutral ground and helping people, it makes using it as a backdrop and a prop that much worse. I think it's pretty clear he wasn't welcome there.

I didn't know this was difficult to understand.

When you attack peaceful protestors to do a photo op, you just punished, infringed on their constitutional rights. I know you are making this nothing more than a stupid game because you know better.

And how many of them used force to do so? How many used horses to drive people back to do a photo op?

Don't pretend this is the same.

When peaceful protestors refuse to disperse, they are no longer peaceful. You are correct...it isn't that hard to understand.

Photo-op is now the new boogey-word...and in this instance shows just how ridiculously over-the-top are most of the Trump criticisms.

All of this so a president can make a photo op to hold a Bible and threaten people with military force. Do you even consider the things you are advocating?

j/c...

He must be back on his meds.