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Today-its former chief of staff Kelly's turn https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/05/politics/john-kelly-agrees-with-jim-mattis-on-trump/index.html(CNN)Former White House chief of staff John Kelly said Friday he agrees with former Secretary of Defense Gen. Jim Mattis' stark warning this week that President Donald Trump is "the first president in my lifetime who does not try to unite the American people" as nationwide protests have intensified over the death of George Floyd. "I agree with him," Kelly told Anthony Scaramucci, former White House communications director, during a live-streamed interview. "There is a concern, I think an awful big concern, that the partisanship has gotten out of hand, the tribal thing has gotten out of hand," Kelly said. "He's quite a man, Jim Mattis, and for him to do that tells you where he is relative to the concern he has for our country." Kelly's comments come after Mattis, who has widespread support among Senate Republicans for his long military service to the country, contended this week that Trump "does not even pretend to try" to unite the country and is instead engaged in a "deliberate effort" to divide the country, while lacking "mature leadership." The pointed remarks from two of Trump's former top officials follow more than a week of nationwide protests across the country calling for justice for Floyd, a black man who was killed last week by a white police officer in Minneapolis. Earlier this week, Mattis excoriated Trump's decision to hold a photo-op Monday at a church near the White House, saying troops were ordered to "violate the Constitutional rights of their fellow citizens" who were protesting but were cleared out by police with force to make way for the President's visit. On Friday, Kelly said he would have cautioned Trump against the idea of using law enforcement to clear Lafayette Square ahead of the photo-op. "I would've argued against it, recommended against it," Kelly said. "I would argue that the end result of that was predictable." Kelly, who has in the past voiced criticisms of the Trump administration since leaving his post, told Scaramucci that it is important to focus on the character of officials when the public makes the decision on who to elect. "I think we need to look harder at who we elect," Kelly said on Friday. "I think we should look at people that are running for office and put them through the filter: What is their character like? What are their ethics?" Kelly, who left the White House under contentious circumstances in January 2019, also clarified that the President did not fire Mattis as secretary of defense. The comments from Mattis were a significant moment for a man who has kept mostly silent since leaving the administration. The retired Marine general had been pressed many times to comment on Trump, troop policies, the Pentagon, and other current events and had always refused because he didn't want to get involved and be a contradictory voice to the troops. Instead, Mattis always insisted he had said everything he wanted to say in his resignation letter.
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Trump shared the letter from Attorney John Dowd to James Mattis late on Thursday, which stated: Jim: I slept on your statement and woke up appalled and upset. You lost me. Never dreamed you would let a bunch of hack politicians use your good name and reputation earned with the blood and guts of young Marines. You did what you said you would — engage in this discourse. Marines keep their word. The phony protesters near Lafayette park were not peaceful and are not real. They are terrorists using idle hate filled students to burn and destroy. They were abusing and disrespecting the police when the police were preparing the area for the 1900 curfew. Jim, this is the new nihilism. See Dan Henniger in WSJ today. Marines support the police in harm’s way. Did you forget that President Bush used active duty Marines to quell the riots in LA? President Trump has countless cities and some snowflake governors and mayors wetting themselves in the use of force to protect innocent lives and property. The AG of Massachusetts thinks burning property is good protest. Three more policeman were stabbed and shot in NYC last night. Think about it. Should he be upset about the obvious failure of leadership? Where are you, Jim? Marines go to the fight. No one divided this country more than Obama. He abandoned our black brothers and sisters. He gave guns to cartels. He apologized for our precious sacrifice and generosity overseas. You remember, he fired you. President Trump has done more to help our minority brothers and sisters in three years than anyone in the last fifty. Ask the black pastors. Ask the leaders of the black colleges and universities. He got them funded. Ask them about the prison reform which ended the draconian sentences imposed on young black men by the laws enacted by Biden and his hacks. You need to bone up on your homework and stop listening to Uncle Leon. I understand, you had to stick to the assigned narrative which did not include three years of corrupt investigations and evidence to destroy this President, his office, and his lawful free election. Nancy has no tolerance for dissent in the ranks – including those with stars. You said nothing of the ugly, hate filled, disgraceful comments of Pelosi, Schumer, Perez, and other Democrat hacks defaming the President and his office. You said nothing of the unlawful sanctuary cities and the unlawful release of hoodlums. You said nothing of the resistance movement to paralyze our courts and our government operations. You said nothing of the obstruction and subversion of our immigration laws. You said nothing of MS-13 killers and the drug cartels who own huge sections of our major cities. Jim, do you think that hateful rhetoric and those corrupt actions were inspiring and unifying? Do you think the DI’s at Parris Island would find such behavior as unifying? Maybe, your problem, is a lot deeper. Perhaps you ought to explain how and why you (and John Allen) as CG Central Command, did not engage and take out Iranian Major General Soleimani who roamed the Middle East and wreaked havoc and death of our American boys with his infamous IEDs? Why did it take President Trump to have the instincts and balls to take him out (of course over the objection of the geniuses in the Pentagon)? Looks like the Persian mullahs were a one horse sleigh and Trump nailed the horse…forever. It has been quiet ever since. Perhaps, your anger is borne of embarrassment for your own failure as the leader of Central Command. Did you applaud when the President recognized the central problem in the Middle East? Did you applaud the President when he wanted to save American lives by bringing them home in one piece? John M Dowd https://www.dailywire.com/news/trump-sha...attack-on-trump
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Editorial that was put in the Press Herald today as trump did not listen to local leaders and is coming to the area for the first time in 4 years this afternoon. https://www.pressherald.com/2020/06/05/our-view-to-president-trump-you-should-resign-now/Our View: To President Trump: You should resign now He lacks the character, maturity and judgment to lead the country in a perilous time. BY THE EDITORIAL BOARD Sharefacebooktweetredditemailprint284 COMMENTS President Trump: We’re sorry that you decided to come to Maine, but since you are here, could you do us a favor? Resign. You have never been a good president, but today your shortcomings are unleashing historic levels of suffering on the American people. Your slow response to the coronavirus pandemic has spun a manageable crisis into the worst public health emergency since 1918. We are also in the middle of the worst economic collapse since the Great Depression. There is no national strategy to recover from the shock that is disproportionately affecting people who were already struggling to make it. And in the face of the worst civic unrest since 1968, with millions of Americans in the streets protesting systemic racism, you fan the flames. In just the last week you gleefully tweeted about shooting fellow citizens; you goaded governors into escalating violent situations so they don’t “look like jerks;” and you authorized the use of rubber bullets and tear gas to clear peaceful protesters out of a public space so you could pose for a Bible-waving photo-op. These are just a few examples of why you lack the character, maturity and judgment to lead our country in this perilous time. You should resign. We have to agree with you on one point: You were right to skip making an address to the nation as other presidents have done in times of national emergency. You correctly concluded that you have nothing to say that would make the situation better. When what’s called for is compassion, clear vision and a commitment to lead, you are out of ammo. But bringing the nation together in times of distress is a big part of the job when you are head of state. You can’t do it, so you should resign. As head of government, you have unmatched power to direct resources to relieve suffering. You can’t or won’t do that, either, so you should resign. And in your mistreatment of lawful protesters and abuse of religious symbols, you have violated your oath to protect and defend the Constitution, so you should resign. Your supporters will no doubt say that this is an election year, and it should be left up to the voters to decide whether you deserve to stay in office. But ask yourself – can this country take five more months like the last five? You are a president supported by a minority of the people, and your only path to victory in November is to further divide the nation. This campaign could do even more lasting damage than you have done already. We know that you are not much of a student of history, but you recently said that you “learned a lot from Richard Nixon.” That’s good, because he set the historical precedent for what you should do now. In a nationally televised address, Nixon said that he knew that he was about to be impeached over Watergate, and he wanted to fight the charges. But since that would be destructive to the nation he served, he chose instead to resign. Nixon said: “By taking this action, I hope that I will have hastened the start of that process of healing which is so desperately needed in America.” America needs to heal again. Please resign now, and let us begin.
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My favorite part of that article:
We have to agree with you on one point: You were right to skip making an address to the nation as other presidents have done in times of national emergency.
You correctly concluded that you have nothing to say that would make the situation better. When what’s called for is compassion, clear vision and a commitment to lead, you are out of ammo.
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I don't mind the article and as Jester pointed out - there are some good, salient points that would almost be funny if they weren't so true.
That said - I don't like painting the current state of the economy on Trump. CV-19 would have broken and damaged ANY economy regardless of left/right/center - and regardless of whether we had a divisive self serving POTUS (as we do) or not ... So I also have a problem with this particular line in the article ""Your slow response to the coronavirus pandemic has spun a manageable crisis"" .... there isn't and wasn't anything 'manageable' about CV-19. Did Trump handle it well? No. Could it have been better? Probably. But to suggest the crisis was something we could have controlled/managed is really a lie. With so much to critique and scrutinize Trump for it annoys me when people or the media manufacture crap that isn't needed.
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'That's just not right': Navy SEAL who oversaw bin Laden raid speaks out against Trump clearing protesters for church photo op Business Insider rpickrell@businessinsider.com (Ryan Pickrell) ,Business Insider•June 5, 2020 Retired Adm. William McRaven said Friday that there was "nothing morally right" about forcefully clearing Lafayette Park in Washington, DC, so President Donald Trump could take photos in front of a church. "You're not going to use, whether it is the military or the National Guard or law enforcement, to clear peaceful American citizens for the president of the United States to do a photo op," he said. "There is nothing morally right about that." He also defended the many former military leaders who have spoken out this week, saying that it is "great to see the voices being raised and a little bit of sanity, hopefully, coming back to this very, very tragic situation." Visit Business Insider's homepage for more stories. Retired Adm. William McRaven said Friday morning that there was "nothing morally right" about forcefully clearing protesters from a park so that President Donald Trump could walk over to a damaged church and take photos holding a Bible. "When you're in the military, there are three criteria for every decision we make. It has to be moral, legal, and ethical. Ethical, you have to follow the rules, McRaven, who had a distinguished career as a Navy SEAL and who oversaw the raid that took out Osama bin Laden, said on MSNBC's "Morning Joe" Friday. "Legal, you have to follow the law. And, morally, you have to follow what you know to be right," he explained. On Monday, Trump announced plans for a tough military crackdown on ongoing unrest. He then walked through Lafayette Park, which had been forcefully cleared of peaceful protesters moments earlier, to take photos at St. John's Church. "That's just not right," McRaven said. "You're not going to use, whether it is the military or the National Guard or law enforcement, to clear peaceful American citizens for the president of the United States to do a photo op," he continued. "There is nothing morally right about that." During the Friday interview, McRaven also defended the many former military leaders who have spoken out against Trump's militaristic approach to ongoing nationwide unrest. "I was very pleased to see Jim Mattis, and obviously Mike Mullen, and John Kelly come out and reinforce what we know to be the principles of the US military," he said. "We all raise our right hands and swear an oath to the Constitution of the United States. It is not to the president of the United States. It is to the Constitution," McRaven said. He said that it is "great to see the voices being raised and a little bit of sanity, hopefully, coming back to this very, very tragic situation." https://www.yahoo.com/news/thats-just-not-navy-seal-130207368.html
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'That's just not right': Navy SEAL who oversaw bin Laden raid speaks out against Trump clearing protesters for church photo op
Yeah but Obama was president when the Bin Laden raid took place, so...
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John Kelly Slams Trump's Ethics: 'We Need To Look Harder At Who We Elect' HuffPost David Moye HuffPostJune 5, 2020 Former White House Chief of Staff John Kelly obliquely accused President Donald Trump of being unethical in a livestream interview on Friday. In an interview with former White House communications director Anthony Scaramucci ― whom Kelly canned on his first day on the job ― Kelly suggested Trump’s behavior in office proves Americans have to be more rigorous about whom they choose as their president. “I think we need to look harder at who we elect,” he said. “I think we should look at people that are running for office and put them through the filter: What is their character like? What are their ethics?” Kelly also agreed with Trump’s former Defense Secretary Jim Mattis that the president shouldn’t be sending in active-duty troops to stop peaceful protests and feared the current polarization is reaching its breaking point. “There is a concern, I think an awful big concern, that the partisanship has gotten out of hand, the tribal thing has gotten out of hand,” Kelly said. Kelly’s comments came one day after he defended Mattis for telling The Atlantic that Trump “is the first president in my lifetime who does not try to unite the American people.” Kelly told Scaramucci that if he were still chief of staff, he would have argued against using force to clear out Lafayette Square so that Trump could do a photo-op at a nearby church. “I would’ve argued against it, recommended against it,” Kelly said. “I would argue that the end result of that was predictable.” But Kelly momentarily seemed at a loss for words when Scaramucci asked him if the president was indeed the “very stable genius” he proclaims himself to be. After a pregnant pause, he declined to comment on the president’s mental state. “Um, he’s — what’s a genius? I don’t know what that is,” Kelly said. “He is, as I say, when I was there working the staff process, more often than not, he didn’t like the recommendations. More often than not, he followed the recommendations. ... But I don’t think I should comment on — I’m not qualified to comment on stable or unstable or whatever.” Although Trump’s critics might appreciate Kelly’s slightly vague criticism, it should be noted that he was also a controversial administration figure . Before becoming chief of staff in July 2017, Kelly served as Trump’s secretary of Homeland Security, where he oversaw the administration’s immigration crackdown. During his stint as chief of staff, Kelly praised Confederate general Robert E. Lee as an “honorable man”; claimed Trump’s proposed immigration policy would help some undocumented immigrants who were previously “too lazy” to seek protections; and called former staff secretary Rob Porter a “man of true integrity” despite abuse allegations from Porter’s two ex-wives. https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/john-kelly-trump-ethics-190455274.html
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Joint Chiefs chair apologizes for participating in Trump's church photo op Gen. Mark Milley, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, apologized Thursday for his participation in President Trump's photo op at St. John's Church last week. Why it matters: Milley's comments come as tensions remain high between Trump and the Pentagon over the incident, which was preceded by the clearing of peaceful protesters from the area. "I should not have been there. My presence in that moment and in that environment created a perception of the military involved in domestic politics," Milley said during a prerecorded commencement address to National Defense University. "As a commissioned uniformed officer, it was a mistake that I have learned from." The big picture: The president has also clashed with Defense Secretary Mark Esper on the topic, prompting chatter that he was losing favor with Trump. "I did know we were going to the church," Esper said last week. "I did not know a photo op was happening. ... I do everything I can to try to stay apolitical and to try and stay out of situations that may appear political." The Times reported that Milley similarly believed that he was going "to review National Guard troops and other law enforcement personnel outside Lafayette Square." https://www.axios.com/mark-milley-apolog...0fcb82e6f2.htmlThis is the fifth very high ranking military official to speak out in a week. So will Trump fans continue to blindly follow him or will the stand behind our military leaders?
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Mattis was a great general with the world's respect but struggled with his first deployment into the world of politics. Everybody, who was once highly regarded, has struggled when they tried to work with Trump.. at some point the common denominator should become obvious. When he left office, many right of center folks had lost some respect for him due to that political performance. That had to hurt. Many right of center folks (by that I mean Trump supporters) lose respect for anybody who ever disagrees with Trump... I'm sure Mattis sleeps fine at night without their "support"... I saw his use of the term, "More mature leadership."
Is this to say more mature like in an older man such as Biden? No, it's to say "more mature leadership" as in somebody who doesn't act like a hormone riddled 15 year old on Twitter any time somebody disagrees with them. You know, acts "Presidential".. or, to set the bar a little lower... like a human being.
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Mattis was a great general with the world's respect but struggled with his first deployment into the world of politics. Everybody, who was once highly regarded, has struggled when they tried to work with Trump.. at some point the common denominator should become obvious. When he left office, many right of center folks had lost some respect for him due to that political performance. That had to hurt. Many right of center folks (by that I mean Trump supporters) lose respect for anybody who ever disagrees with Trump... I'm sure Mattis sleeps fine at night without their "support"... I saw his use of the term, "More mature leadership."
Is this to say more mature like in an older man such as Biden? No, it's to say "more mature leadership" as in somebody who doesn't act like a hormone riddled 15 year old on Twitter any time somebody disagrees with them. You know, acts "Presidential".. or, to set the bar a little lower... like a human being. I can't believe anyone would take "More Mature Leadership" to mean physically older.... Especially since Trump is such a baby. It appears to me that Hillary Clinton was right about one thing for sure, you trigger Trump with a tweet. He's gotta be going nuts with all these generals and admirals pulling away from him. Not gonna lie, I'm baffled
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I just have one comment in regards to military leaders. All of those who I have seen speak out, including Gen. Mark Milley today, aren't people who are reaching for high political office. Their life has not been driven by political aspirations or as a popularity contest.
Their choice in life has been to serve their country. As such, if we're looking for abject honesty, whether we agree with them or not, it is they that I would look to as being forthright.
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So will Trump fans continue to blindly follow him... Yes. Absolutely. There is literally nothing he could do to lose their support. Look no further than 40¢ as 'Exhibit A.' He's already thrown shade at Mattis after being his #1 fan. Trump could murder his entire family, and 40¢ would dig their graves in his back yard for him. They are lost. Forever.
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Just look at all the Christians here who said nothing after he used their holy text as a prop for a photo op.
Barely anyone wanted to disavow him.
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Just to kind of add an extra dimension to that...
It's one thing for the retired guys to speak out, but when a high-ranking ACTIVE member of the military goes on record against the President... that's a BIG deal. Commander in Chief is their boss, and my understanding is speaking out against your boss in the military, in general, is a BIG BIG no-no.
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I just have one comment in regards to military leaders. All of those who I have seen speak out, including Gen. Mark Milley today, aren't people who are reaching for high political office. Their life has not been driven by political aspirations or as a popularity contest.
Their choice in life has been to serve their country. As such, if we're looking for abject honesty, whether we agree with them or not, it is they that I would look to as being forthright. You and DC have told it like it is.. Thank you both
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More than anything it is that which I find the most disturbing.
From my point of view. I believe in facts, science, and logic.
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Just to kind of add an extra dimension to that...
It's one thing for the retired guys to speak out, but when a high-ranking ACTIVE member of the military goes on record against the President... that's a BIG deal. Commander in Chief is their boss, and my understanding is speaking out against your boss in the military, in general, is a BIG BIG no-no. Every tax paying American is trumps boss. That includes Mattis. So trump can suck it.
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Mattis was a great general with the world's respect but struggled with his first deployment into the world of politics. Everybody, who was once highly regarded, has struggled when they tried to work with Trump.. at some point the common denominator should become obvious. When he left office, many right of center folks had lost some respect for him due to that political performance. That had to hurt. Many right of center folks (by that I mean Trump supporters) lose respect for anybody who ever disagrees with Trump... I'm sure Mattis sleeps fine at night without their "support"... I saw his use of the term, "More mature leadership."
Is this to say more mature like in an older man such as Biden? No, it's to say "more mature leadership" as in somebody who doesn't act like a hormone riddled 15 year old on Twitter any time somebody disagrees with them. You know, acts "Presidential".. or, to set the bar a little lower... like a human being. I think you perfectly conveyed my sentiment more than I could have.
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So will Trump fans continue to blindly follow him... Yes. Absolutely. There is literally nothing he could do to lose their support. Look no further than 40¢ as 'Exhibit A.' He's already thrown shade at Mattis after being his #1 fan. Trump could murder his entire family, and 40¢ would dig their graves in his back yard for him. They are lost. Forever. I have to admit I am one of them. Personally, I think President Trump is a fairly bad person. However, he sticks up for American and wants to preserve the American way of life. Even the people on the bottom of the ladder have it better than elsewhere. Go to Jamaica, then you see poor. The Dems on the other hand are infested with socialist radicals. Useless humans IMO....again, that is just my opinion. I don't expect everybody to agree with that. Nor do I wish ill will on anybody. We can vote our way in to socialism, history shows we will have to fight our way out.
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I just have one comment in regards to military leaders. All of those who I have seen speak out, including Gen. Mark Milley today, aren't people who are reaching for high political office. Their life has not been driven by political aspirations or as a popularity contest.
Their choice in life has been to serve their country. As such, if we're looking for abject honesty, whether we agree with them or not, it is they that I would look to as being forthright. I could make you a list of those who I would choose to believe over somebody with ambitions of high political office..... but we would have a bandwidth problem.
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