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It's not a mistake - it's a strategy.... It is important to reject every point from the other side -- and the more ridiculous your response, the more you can force your followers to believe anything.

You mean like the idea that the only reason I have anything is because I'm white, so I have an advantage over other people?

No - absolutely nothing like that....

Although your response is another good example.

Quoted for irony.

Maybe watch the videos in the other thread to understand how it is not at all ironic. But sure, if it doesn't sit well with your take, ridicule it.

See - this right here is a picture perfect example of what OCD posted in the other thread. Someone couldn't have come up with a better example if one had spent a week thinking about it.

LOL........of all people to bring up ridiculing someone else's take. Several people have labeled you as a "stalker" because of how often you resort to that kind of posting.

I don't know what video he was referencing, but I just thought the comment was ironic because of how often certain posters get their dander up anytime there is a discussion about race and/or politics.

I don't lean right. I have never once voted for a Republican in a presidential election. I have supported minorities for a long time and have been an activist for much of that time.

However, I don't excuse bad behavior. I don't agree w/this stupid sentiment that all people in a certain group are good or bad. I judge individuals as such. I'm not going to be a puppet for either side. And I could care less who is offended by that.

I think we're barreling towards a time when these conversations won't be able to take place anymore because of what you mentioned above ("agree with me or you're racist or whatever-ist"). At best, Brees' comments weren't articulated correctly, but when someone get steamrolled by basically saying "I don't like this and this is why"... I dunno, man. Like Punch said... scary.

But now is fine?

!? Participants in PP have to really raise their tolerance of stupidity, but despite that some of the comments on here leave me speechless.

I think you're correct right up until you get to hurting people, destruction of property/livelihoods. Then again, rioting/looting is something other than protesting.

I agree and it's a big turnoff for those of us who actually support minorities. I get the feeling that some folks have this belief that they can say anything they choose and then turn around and blast another person for expressing their opinions.

I have shared this message for a long time and I will continue to share it: "Do not become what you hate."

Hate does not unite or bridge gaps. It only widens the divide.

So if you’re not against non-violent protest and you don’t want to tell minorities how to act as a white man, why do you continue to insist minorities shouldn’t kneel during the anthem?

Try to not call me a name or insist violence against me this time when you reply. Everyone else here can do that so that means you can to.

In a thread a week ago I framed this entire thought as non-violent and I still do. My apologies for not clarifying what I meant.

And before the “well, you just told minorities how to act!” crowd shows up, I endorse the views of MLK as he had the authority to help his people. I’m not authority so I listen to the experts.

You didn't ask me, but I'll answer anyway.

I'd never tell someone how they can/can't peacefully protest. Doesn't mean I have to like it, though.... and just as they have the right to kneel or sit, I have the right to call it like I see it. I think that's kinda what Brees was getting at and got steamrolled for. Perhaps this is the downside of being a bajillionaire because you can throw the ball real good, but (ignoring that for a moment) I still think it's wrong.

I probably read it and promptly forgot. Not that it's unimportant, but because there's only so much room up there in my noggin. Important things get pushed out all the time (the wife will corroborate this).

Not answering for Vers...no one should kneel for the national anthem...I don't care what is their justification or message.

Edited for the spelling police.

I am not arguing that minorities shouldn't kneel during a game. I am simply saying that Kaep is not the person people think he is. I have begged you guys to research the true story.

The only problem I see w/kneeling is that is done at the workplace. When you are being paid, it's pretty hard to not follow the owner's policies. But again, kneeling is my issue w/Kaep. My issue is that he is a fraud. That is why I brought up Abdul-Rauf. His actions were legit.

Parting comment: I get the impression that you are trying to paint a picture of me that is untrue. All that does is offend an actual ally and it is not sound strategy. We can agree on the general cause while disagreeing on some of the particulars. Trying to demean someone because he doesn't completely agree w/your stance is just as biased as those you hate. Tolerance is okay.

Jc

It’s so funny watching how many people will quickly defend a white athletes opinion and trash a black athletes opinion.

And then the spin job trying to explain their defense is absolutely hilarious....in the most pathetic way imaginable.

It's funny watching how some folks who continually defend the poor actions of black athletes jump at the chance to slam a white athlete for making a social/political comment.

And the same people try and spin their lack of logic in the most pathetic ways. I know a guy who doesn't work, drives a BMW, and fled to the suburbs who screams stuff like "Burn it down." Talk about pathetic!

Lol, it’s funny that I’m a landlord living in your head rent free.

Brings joy to my heart.

And by the way, you and only you can’t just say BMW. You are required to say the make and model.

BMW M6. Thank you.

Nahhh - you did that. And your buddy Diam lumped on because you don't like being held accountable for the trouble you start in the PF forum.

Here you made your position clear on Brees/Kap - When Brees (and you) had those positions challenged, Brees reflected on the feedback and decided either he was in error with his initial statement and adjusted his position accordingly based a new perspective .... or to be politically correct he walked his statements back. Personally I think Brees is a class act and a leader. I think if he still believed in his original take he would have found a way to make peace with the people who disagree with him AND still reinforce why he feels the way he does. . . . That's just my opinion because I don't see Brees as simply bowing to pressure myself.

In your response to people challenging your position/take - it seems your response was that if people challenge you, your interpretation of that is they are trying to silence you or shout drown out your opinion ... sorry I don't see that. I don't see that in any thread in any of the forums. I see people expressing or reconfirming their positions. I liken it to Trump's reaction to Twitter fact checking him - no-one censored him or prevented him from posting, they simply provided context or in your case a differing opinion. I've stated how I feel about Kap - I don't feel the need to change anyone's mind about him - nor do I feel as if I am being silenced if someone disagrees with me. The only thing you've added to the Kap debate with that I don't agree with specifically is the implication Kap was motivated to do this for money. (I don't know the back story about his girlfriend that you alluded to - and frankly if his GF educated him or enlightened him about a social issue and he ran with it, I don't actually think that's a negative) ... I don't see how the guy who just signed a $100+ million contract did this for money. Regardless of how easy NFL contracts are to break - he was going to earn a fat paycheck in the NFL if he towed the line and did as he was instructed. just my 2 cents.

As I said when I responded to you - maybe go watch the videos that OCD posted. They are very good and enlightening in my opinion.

Soon to be BMW M8 gran coupe.

Thank you.

As ridiculous as it sounds, if I was rolling in an M6 I'd probably say the same thing.

:-p

Hey man, if people gonna constantly try to throw my ride in my face as if it’s an insult, then I’m going to go ahead and make a royal title out of it.

What gives you the authority as a white man to call a black man a fraud?

You've become a farce of your former self lately. I know damn well you have no idea what those videos say. Kick rocks.

Just seen that DC is painting "Black Lives Matter" at a huge scale on a street leading to the White house. The road sign stretches over a few city blocks in letters the full width of the road. Should make Trump's day seeing that everyday.

It’s beautiful.

You equate "raising hell" to rioting. I raised a lot of hell growing up but was never involved in a riot. You're spewing word vomit.

Now now. Both you and mgh888 have been scolded by the teacher. Take your detention like men and never question the sanctimonious and self righteous one.

What gave people the authority as black men to call out Drew Brees for his beliefs? Your double standards are repulsive.

He criticized non-violent protest of a minority as a white man...?

Is it really that hard to understand why white people shouldn’t try to police how and why minorities should non-violence protest? Do you not understand doing so is just another way for the majority to try and exert control over minority groups?

I don't think those who some claim are the majority, are the majority anymore. Not by a wide margin.

I've seen protests since the 60's. I've never seen so much diversity in protests involving race by any stretch of the imagination. Not just as it pertains to black and white working together, but by age as well.

I guess if you mean "majority" strictly based on the numbers of each race, that would be hard to argue. But if we're strictly talking about the majority of people in terms of exerting control, I think they are now in the minority.

I find it makes me very hopeful to see "the majority" gets it and are working together for change. It's taken far too long but it's happening.

I agree with the vast majority of your post. I'm just hoping that the ending causes history to see it differently than you describe. I'm hoping they look back at this time in history and see what is happening now as the moment in history we finally turned the corner in making equality the fabric of America.

just clicking -

Not sure if I should jump into the fray here, and I'll probably regret it. I'll start by saying I'm a middle aged white guy who grew up in a middle class family. My parents never really exhibited racist behavior to my sister or I. As such, I don't believe I was raised in that manner. I was raised in the southeast in a county that was probably half black and half white. I had both black and white friends. I know racism existed where I grew up, but I don't think I noticed it. Call it naivety or not wanting to acknowledge it; I'm not really sure.

Over the years I have had and still do have friends from all walks of life and all races. Today, most of my friends, including my best friend in Vegas, are black. It just happened organically. I'm a big basketball player and most of the guys I play with are black. So that's probably how. We hang out off the court all the time. I would consider these friends as middle class and successful - good jobs, families, nice houses, cars, etc. We don't really talk about racism, and I don't see it when I'm around them.

When I saw the George Floyd video, which I couldn't finish, it really hit me hard. I told my best friend about it, and he said that's because most of my friends were black. I'm not sure if that is why, but I know as a human being to see that happen to someone by the people who are supposed to prevent those types of things from happening was really disturbing. I imagine that feeling was multiplied exponentially by a black person because of the races of the parties involved. And when I realized that, I think for the first time I really got it because it impacted me personally so deeply. I could pay lip service about not being a racist myself and tell my friends that I'm not a racist, but at the end of the day it's impossible for me to feel what they feel. I think what we are witnessing now is the boil over of emotions - of that exponential feeling of anger and resentment that has been brewing under the surface for a long time. My friends never show it, but I don't doubt it's there. And for the first time I can empathize with them.

Where I am going with this is I believe empathy is the key to understanding. If you can't feel what someone else is feeling it's really hard to understand their perspective. If you can't walk a mile in someone's shoes, it's really hard to get where they are coming from. So how do we get people that are different from each other to empathize with the other side? I think those are how the conversations need to be framed when talking to each other to make real progress.

The tone of those conversations cannot be righteous, antagonistic, or one sided. Posts should not be answered with emojis. Dialogue should be about understanding the other side. I think empathy is the only way to make progress here. I don't agree with the backlash that Drew Brees got, but I think the part he was missing was the empathy part. He didn't recognize that he could only feel what he felt; that he couldn't feel what others felt. But by all accounts Brees is a stand up man who has no doubt done more for minorities than most people. It's a shame that a man with good moral values who really does care got blasted by so many when the reality is he didn't know what he didn't know. There was no ill intent there. It's not that he was being dismissive or unsupportive, he was just reacting through his eyes because that's all he knows. So I would argue that the way Brees got blasted did not encourage or invite empathy. It may have just furthered the divide. Therefore, I think the empathy has to apply to both sides - the side trying to do the convincing and the side trying to be convinced.

So how do you build empathy? I really don't know. But what goes on on this board is really the very opposite of that. There are no productive conversations here. Even the people who think they are doing good are causing more harm than good with their approach and tone. Think about having a real productive, constructive conversation and what that might look like. Put aside the righteousness and the indignation and the inciteful rhetoric. Listen, ask questions, try to learn and understand; that's for both sides. If you're black and frustrated with a white person for not seeing it but you believe in your heart that this person is good, figure out a way to reach them. If you're not black, listen to their stories and don't be dismissive. Empathy for both sides will go a long way.

Have you ever bonded with someone over a similar experience (military service, sports, anything)? Why do you think that is? Because you can see it through the other's person's eyes. When you don't experience the same things, you have to find a way to bridge that gap to gain true understanding.

You don't need to convince/argue me. I'm right there with you. I gush over my 3-series wagon because it's a stick. I'd be downright unbearable if I had anything close to an M6.

Oh man, I always wanted a wagon to be honest. Check out the new Audi RS6 avant.

More beautiful than half the people in this country.