DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Browns receivers meeting with Baker Mayfield in Austin

Yes, I know. I was making a reply to Vers saying Cincy should have kept him. It isn't that hard, is it? Read the quote, then the context of the reply isn't that hard to understand.

So now who looks like the simpleton?

Huh?

What do you mean?

My bad....I quoted a comment by Diam...

Even if Baker plays well, I still don't like the defense. We are a Garrett injury away from being the 32nd ranked D.

I don't know if we are that low, but no doubt the D is the red headed stepchild at this point.

I get this year. We were a O-lineman or two away from finishing the O, so we did that in FA and the draft. The new coach wanted some tight ends, so we did that. We have the receivers and backs, and probably a QB who is at least good enough.

On D, the line might be good enough. We added a FA tackle and drafted a slasher type tackle. Linebacker is the big question mark. The backfield is young. We will see. Hopefully Hospital Ward stays healthy, Greedy make a 2nd year jump, and Delpit shows some rookie flash and not a lot of rookie flush.
The positive with rookie safeties is it is usually a fairly easy transition compared to other positions. Delpit may not be ready to make the backfield calls, but somebody else can do that this year. I forget who the other safety is at this moment.

I wouldn't be surprised to see a lot of shootouts. We potentially could have one of the most potent offenses in the NFL this season.

See - this is where so many of the last 2 decades cautions me - while I might believe we have a solid opportunity to be good, even go to the playoffs if key players stay healthy and things go as planned. There are too many variables and changes and new organizational factors to have confidence in a statement like that !! I feel positive - I am just not ready to say we are going to be that good until I see some games on Sundays.

Add to that - I think KS will be a better game manager than Freddie ever was, even with some explosive plays being made, I think the Offense will still have it's foundation in the run game and the short/medium play action passing game ... that will set up the 'big' plays to TE's on seam routes for 20-30 yards, or to isolate OBJ and Landry on deep balls one on one with a DB.

I think the D will be okay ... I am concerned by the LB core and the lack of proven talent. Wilson showed flashes but we are relying on him taking a big step forward. Tiki didn't show much at all. It's more probable the other additions will be average or below average than it is that they will be 'good' ... but the rest of the D is really set up nicely. I like the young CB tandem - I love Delphit and I like the safety additions. I don't think we are an injury to Garret away from a last placed D. . . . But I don't think we need a top 5 D to win games either. I believe the way the team is built a good O and a middle of the pack D will win enough games.

You took a simple comment way too personally.

If we run the ball as much as I think we will, we can eat up a lot of clock and help keep our defense off the field. I don't think we will want to get involved in a lot of shootouts.

I think we are going to run the ball less than some people think we are.

Maybe ... even run heavy teams still pass a lot. But I am still expecting us to be in the top 5-6 teams for total rush attempts come the end of the season.

I too think we will be in the top 5 for rushing yardage. Maybe not attempts. I really have no preconceived notions one way or the other.

If I had to guess I would expect it to be very balanced. My reason for that belief is very simple. Many claim and we all hope that Stefanski is a smart guy and he will use the talent on this team to its best potential.

As such, we have two great WR's and invested in a very good pass catching TE. Whether one considers Njoku a very good TE or not, he certainly is capable of being a threat as a pass catcher.

IMO this gives Stefanski a much better talent level in catching the football here than he had in Minnesota. And while people point out that the upgrades on the OL gives us a better run game, it also presents us with better pass protection.

Given those things it seems obvious to me that with such talent at both the run game and passing game Stefanski will use the talent level at both of those options pretty equally. While the vision of a strong running game seems to light up the imagination of many fans, I certainly feel we will have that. As such, I think that will serve us well.

But to think the passing game is not at least as talented, if not more so, I don't feel is giving Stefanski credit for using the talent at his disposal properly.

I believe that what I saw in Minnesota was a team making the most of their talent. Not a team that was depending on a run heavy offense due to a prerequisite.

On paper it looks good. I think we have a coach who can make it happen

Lets hope we get a full 16 game season so we can find out

I agree with that. Stefanski seems able to get solid games out of his players. I also believe he can get it done here and TE will be vital to us.

I am not trying to be a homer for the man as a pre season automatic response. But I am also trying very hard not to dumb him down or steal any props by running him through a Freddy filter comparison, as in Stefanski's team is Freddy and his issues.

New day. Winning cures quite a lot of things. Hope we have the proof in our huddle.

Does anyone know Stefanski's record as a HC?

I think it is 0 and 0.

I will not make any predictions. Instead, I will wait and see how he does before evaluating how good or bad he is. That's the same thing I did w/Freddie last year.

I don't think anybody is saying that. When somebody says think, it implies a question. I also think it might not work, I just choose to not say it that way.

You can say what you want. I'm fine w/that. I wasn't criticizing you. I was just expressing my personal opinion. I have problems w/evaluating a HC who has zero HC experience on any level. Being a HC is a totally different animal than being a coordinator or position coach. That is not an indictment. It just means that I have no idea if he will be good or not.

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as a Head Coach in the AFC North said to me yesterday “Stefanski had great success with Kirk Cousins...Baker Mayfield is way more talented. This could be really good fit for Cleveland”

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Things like this lead me to thinking of the NFL as sort of a large scale episode of Iron Chef.

You have the existing Iron Chefs that have a system and are comfortable in it because they've been doing it for a while.

Then, you have Cleveland who is perennially picking a different upstart to come in and try his hand with whatever ingredients we have left in the cupboards.

I’m just trying to figure out which AFC north coach would have the background to make such a bold comparison.

KS

Sounds like Harbaugh to me, although Tomlin and Stefanski were both on the 2006 Vikings staff so it may have been him trying to talk up a former colleague.

Where is his mask, tho?!

#StillFat

Last off-season I remember videos like this of Baker working out in his backyard with his brother in law. I remember thinking, "That's less than ideal."

I would much rather have him working out in a professional gym with trainers.

Also, put some shoes on please.

Can we really know how much this offense misses what's his name, man I miss what's his name from 2 years ago.

Even with Higgins, Landry and Odell, the offense isn't going to win games with a subpar performance from the defense that day,

Like it with unproven linebackers or not, this Browns team is going to need the defense to play above average on gamedays to get wins.

What's his name, that WR nobody liked yet he played well, and went to or came from the Ravens. The Browns really miss his production.

Perriman?

Well at least they are out doing something instead of being inside of their homes with video and technology. Doing things outside.

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that it is deliberate.
The movement he is doing is going to stretch the Achilles. Removing the shoes also removes any lift in the heel. Not only will he have a more solid base in contact with the floor, but he can now get a more acute range of motion from the ankle without having to move the knee as far forward.

Cam Newton QB2

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/cam-n...mains-unsigned/

No, thank you.

You can add me as an "anti-Baker" fan.

A thousand times 'no'

every year a QB gets injured. Newton would be smart and wait to sign with the team who has the injured QB and become the new starter.