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How many white people have they lynched, murdered, beaten to death? You guys crack me up.

Black lives matter.

Is NASCAR going to stop selling Coca-Cola at their events?


How the Civil War created Coca-Cola

Pemberton’s formula was introduced as the fountain drink Coca-Cola in May 1886 at the Jacobs Pharmacy in Atlanta. It sold 25 gallons the first year.

The Coca-Cola Company

Melissa A. Winn
November 2016

Soon after Coca-Cola hit the market, Pemberton became ill and was nearly bankrupt, which some reports attribute to his continuing morphine addiction. He began selling rights to his formula to his business partners in Atlanta and in 1888 Pemberton and his son sold the remaining portion of the patent to Asa Candler. (Photo: HNA)

John Stith Pemberton, a Confederate Lieutenant Colonel, served in the defense of Columbia, Georgia, during the Battle of Columbus in April 1865, where he sustained a saber wound to the chest. During his recovery from the wound, he became addicted to morphine, which he used to dull the pain. Seeking a cure from his addiction, Pemberton, in 1866 began to experiment with making painkillers that were opium-free alternatives to morphine. Eventually he began experimenting with coca and coca wines, creating a recipe he dubbed Pemberton’s French Wine Coca. The medicine was sold and advertised in Atlanta to war veterans suffering drug addiction, depression, and alcoholism, and to “ladies, and all those whose sedentary employment causes nervous prostration.” In 1886, when Atlanta enacted temperance legislation, Pemberton produced a non-alcoholic alternative to his French Wine Coca, which included blending the base syrup with carbonated water. He decided then to sell it as a fountain drink rather than a medicine. Frank Robinson, who served as bookkeeper and partner to Pemberton, gave the syrup formula the name Coca-Cola, where Coca came from the coca leaves used and Cola for the kola nuts.


https://www.historynet.com/civil-war-created-coca-cola.htm

Is there a statue of Pemberton on display anywhere?


Pffft trump supporters, probably don’t even know it’s our American flag day today.

There is, PerfectSpiral https://publicartaroundtheworld.com/publ...statue-atlanta/


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VM2eLhvsSM

I’m good with bringing it down. Not on public property, so Coca Cola holds the ball. Myself, I haven’t had a soda in 20 years.

And ignoring Old Glory and propping up the confederate traitors Flag on American flag day doesn’t have a good look on anyone in here.

If people want to tear down statues and get rid of flags,that would be all right I guess.
But,I've never been one to do things half way.Washington and Jefferson were slave owners.I believe we should remove statues and monuments of them also.
Rename DC to something more non confrontational.Maybe call it Jesus Christ DC.
No,can't do that.The muslim minority would take that as a sleight.
Ahh,I got it.Not Named After Anyone,DC

1,297 white people were lynched. That is only 27.3%. Many of the whites lynched were lynched for helping the black or being anti lynching and even for domestic crimes.

https://www.naacp.org/history-of-lynchings/

What are you babbling about? It wasn’t black folks doing the lynching was it? Racist white’s killing is what’s still happening. Time to face it and start the healing. But no we have a racist POS president who fans the flames of hate and most of his supporters are racists as well. Pffft the trump era.

You can see the desperation and the lengths they're reaching to in their posts.

pppsssttt You asked how many white people had been lynched. I answered your question. So who's doing the babbling silly.

Turned off Netflix the other night and Jimmy Kimmel was on... I haven't watched him in years.. it was the night NASCAR had decided to ban the confederate flag. ESPN had been talking about the story all day and what a positive sign it was that even NASCAR, known for it's audience of less than tolerant people, was willing to take this step... The story was only a few hours old...

So Kimmel gives a 10 second explanation that they banned it because of a passionate stance taken by Bubba Wallace and rather than use this as an opportunity to acknowledge what a positive step this was and how it's something that could be built on.... he went right to showing about 10-12 tweets from no-name redneck racists who oppose it.. that was his whole bit. He turned this very positive event into a let's just keep making fun of southerners so my brain dead audience can get some cheap chuckles and they can use it to continue to foment their own hate-filled stereotypes...

So maybe in a few years I'll watch another 90 seconds to see if anything has changed.

It's not going to change. Hell, one of their drivers nobody ever heard of claimed he will be quitting after this yer because of them banning the confederate flag.

These late night shows use their platform to cater to their audience just like Tucker Carlson does. The only real difference is that Tucker Carlson calls it news and late night talk show hosts call it entertainment and comedy.

And who is opposing it?

I see two schools of thought..

one says that if you tear down the statues and the confederate flag, you are, in a sense, dismissing history... It's like your hiding it.

The other is that why in the hell should we honor those that committed treason to the USA. So the generals and leaders of the south were, by todays standards, criminals. Why honor them?

I see value in both thoughts..

Yet everyone knows, is taught of every war our nation has fought in. We don't need monuments in our public town squares to accomplish any of that. Does anyone not know the atrocities of Hitler?

Claiming it would be, "dismissing or hiding history" is using that as nothing more than an excuse to fly the symbols of racism in the face of our fellow citizens. The history of the Civil War will be taught and remembered long after we are all gone, as it should be. It will be taught in our school systems to every American growing up in our nation. And whether we have monuments in honor of those who were traitors to The United Stated of America erected in public places will change none of that.

Good.

Now to make Indigenous People's Day THE national holiday rather than honoring some dude who lead enslaving, raping, and pillaging of indigenous cultures.

j/c:

Has there been talk of removing Jim Brown's statue due to his history of beating women and assaulting police officers?

I better add. I am not advocating chopping the head off of Jim Brown's statue or even removing it. I just think this crusade against statues is a bit odd. I would rather focus on the living rather than pieces of stone.

jc

What I find weird is people who do not live in the South trying to decide things that should happen in the South.

North and South life and race relations are completely different.

You and I have both lived in the north and south. I'm right about you living in both locales, right?

Anyway, when I moved to SC, I thought it would be extremely racist. While there are some real die-hard racists, I have found that race relations are better down here than they were in Ohio, PA, MI, and NY. What do you think?

Yes. I was raised in a whitey white Cleveland suburb. There was exactly 1 black person in my highschool. Nobody went to "that area" of town where black people lived.

Fast forward several years to when I moved to Georgia. Black people everwhere, tremedous racial integration. For the most part everyone of all races live together fairly well.

And so I question these Northerners who try to blame the South for a multitude of things when in reality we are so farther advanced socially than they can ever hope to be.

Northerners need to stfu and start learning a few things. The South is what Northern states should strive to be.

I think part of it is a lot of the racism in the north was very hidden and institutionalized. Whereas in the south it used to be extremely blatant.

That's not to say either region has totally fixed racism, either. There's pockets no matter where you go or institutions still operating in backwards ideals.

I dont think racism in the North is hidden at all. The North is very segregated. It is absolutely nothing like the South whatsoever.

Come live in the South for a while and you will see a happy melting pot.

Certainly not me.

There hasn't.

And when that conversation pops up (in the appropriate thread), I'll be on record as being OK with the removal of his statue as well.

J/C

Vers, I was going to reply but I don't really want to bother you with heated discussions and such. You've got a ton going on. You truly do have a good point and I've done a lot of thinking about it. I know a lot of people talk about separating the person from the action, but that stuff is hard for me.

Clem, I think I actually made a thread a few months ago talking about this. Lemme find a link.

I grew up in southeast Georgia. Went to college in the ATL.

I've spent a lot of time in Ohio, both as a youth and adult.

Ohio seemed way more racist to me.

Jim Brown discussion thread.

Thanks for not wanting to pile on, but it's okay to disagree. Life goes on...

I think my message was misinterpreted. It often is. I wasn't really bashing Jim Brown. I was simply pointing out that folks are very selective when they are bashing certain races.

I think it is a huge mistake to bash either race. All races have faults. As do all of us. We are human and we are flawed. I think we should admit to that and work together to try and fix our flaws. I do not believe in painting one side evil and the other good will ever be productive.

You know.......I think a lot of us self-reflect. I think of my children. My daughter is happy and care-free. Sometimes, too much so. I blame myself because I had a lot of friends and we partied a lot. She used to tell me during those formative middle school years how much she loved that. My son is quiet and more introspective. I blame myself for that because I was always so hard on him.

We all make mistakes. I just think the real issue is the blame game. All races have good and bad members. The narrative that whites are bad because of blah, blah, blah or blacks are bad because of blah, blah, blah only furthers the divide.

I hope no one resorts to the Kumbaya thing again. Goodness, I am far from that dude. Besides, it just negates my message w/an intended demeaning label. I hate labels. We are all humans. I hate saying men because that seems biased against women, but it just sounds better when you read it. Some of you can fight me and that's cool. However, I am not going to back down on my quest that we treat each person as an individual and evaluate that person based on their actions rather on their skin color, gender, nationality, religious beliefs, sexual persuasion, etc.

I agree...

I think that all humans as individuals have faults. To suggest that race is the basis of human faults is the root of the problem, as I will suggest that it is not.

It Is simply an easy out to generalize, when we should look only at the individual. Jim Brown does not have a good record because he treats women poorly, the fact that he is black is irrelevant....

It's kinda funny (sad) that we still see praise of the Nazi regime.

I'm not sure the Civil war will be taught in the future. I question that if we continue down the path that DeVos has us going down, we will end up with no public schools and what they will teach in Charter (for profit) schools is really an unknown. (thus my opposition to anything DeVos touches)

My question is... where do we draw the line (or is the line constantly moving in a certain (admittedly, correct) direction? I ask because you don't have to go very far back in time to find practices commonplace that are now considered downright repulsive. I know I sometimes have a hard time blaming people for something that was considered acceptable during their time. I think about this a lot when talking to much older relatives who's life experiences are VERY different from mine.
So with that mind, I wonder if we're going to have very many statues that survive the cull. We're going to have to start putting statues up of modern-day folks or the statue is going go the way of the DoDo.

I know you would like to equate a bad person doing some people wrong to traitors of The United States that fought and killed over 150,000 American troops in order to keep an entire race of people enslaved. But hopefully now that you see it in print, the stark difference will be clearer to you.

And Eve lives in the area of the most pro black city in the south, Atlanta. That's not a picture of the south. The exception to the rule isn't the rule. I lived in rural Georgia and Alabama for a short while. I would go to Atlanta on holidays and week-ends just to escape for a little bit. I also grew up in rural Ohio.

There was only a slight comparison. The two really weren't even close to the same.

I wasn't "equating" anything. Just sick of all the crying and hypocritical crusades.

I stated my actual feelings about confederate war statues. You call that a crusade?

It is a FACT that the confederates seceded from out nation. It's a FACT that they attacked The United states Army at Fort Sumter to start the Civil war. It's a FACT that over 150,000 America troops were killed fighting these traitors.

And you don't think people should fight to get them out of pubic displays on government property? You think that the advocates of slavery be celebrated in public displays?

We disagree. You may call that a crusade. I call it a minimum modicum of human decency. Maybe it has become a crusade. A crusade for standing up to the monuments of racism.

What?

I didn't reply to you earlier. You called me out on and improperly labeled my message. I corrected you about what y intent was. I wasn't saying anything about you or if you were part of the crusade. I was defending myself from the false claim you made. Nothing more. Nothing less.

My bad. I still think bringing Jim Brown up in a thread about people who enslaved others and fought for slavery is hilarious and quite a reach at best.