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That’s weak. That’s straight up weak.

People like Clem and I have to deal with constant trash from literally everybody our entire lives just for being minorities.

And yet we STILL believe in what we believe and fight for it.

Your wife, you, and all these other fragile white people have gotten just a small TASTE of what the feeling is like, and look at you: throwing hissy fits and losing a sense of who you are and what you believe.

Just a TASTE of what it’s like catching this level of heat like minorities have ALL OUR LIVES, and your wife folded like a chair at a BBQ.

Yea, Vers is the guy you want to talk to, because the mental weakness and fragility being displayed by you two makes me want to throw up in my mouth.

Lol, freaking hilarious.

Biden isn't Obama. Biden isn't even on the level of Warren.

Biden would never get support without the partisan media narrative and civil unrest.

Not many people are voting for him because he's a good candidate. He's getting support because he's not Trump.

If his supporters are going to act like Trump supporters, what's the difference? Two sides of the same tarnished coin.

You're not pushing away a few. You're pushing away a multitude. Some will vote Biden anyway, but not without reservations. Certainly, more than a few will not vote for Biden due to being pushed away.

Biden doesn't just need the popular vote. He needs the electorate. The appearance of great support can be deceiving. Every vote could matter. Overconfidence is one of the left's weaknesses and Trump could be able to exploit it.

Even if everything you say is true, which I'm not saying it is, their vote still counts just as much as yours.

Picking fights with them is unlikely to help get them to cast it for your side.

im going to combine both your recent responses because honestly your second response to what i told Columbus didnt say anything important.



literally no one is claiming otherwise



literally no one is claiming otherwise. oddly enough, those two reasons you named is exactly why trump got elected in the first place. funny.



literally the same reason trump won, because everybody hated hillary. funny.



thats funny because trump won acting like a racist bigot. he didnt need independents, or you, or vers, or columbus and his wife. he needed angry white people and the deplorables.

and won.



biden isnt hillary, and while im not here claiming AT ALL that he is a shoe in, he doesnt have anywhere near the toxicity that hillary brought, and as such, you cant look at this election cycle the same way.

also, we've gained far more allies than we've lost. even republicans are now out here supporting these statues being taken down and police reform measures.

that flies in the face of everything you just posted.

so im cool with guys like you and vers not supporting our movement. stay home in 2020, i dont really care.

trump proved to the country that you dont need independents and fence riders to win an election. so if youre just gonna throw hissy fits and criticize movements in this country, stay home. doesnt bother me at all.

cause even though i dont like trump supporters, i can respect them because they're willing to actually take a stand on something and fight for it.

you fence riding centrist are too busy trying to stay in the middle. just do society a favor, and stay in the basement with the women and children while the real men go fight for what they believe in.

ive seen your post all over the thread, and honestly bro, you and i have little to discuss. we arent on the same wavelength, and never will be. i dont have time for people who make excuses for the worst of the worst in the name of compromise.

either stand for something and fight for it, or just get out the way.

and happy 4th.

remember, that was no compromising with the british and we had to stand and fight for what is right.

a lot of you dont understand what that means, and never will.

Whatever you say Swish. Her stances haven’t changed, just the party that she wants to associate with. I can’t imagine what you and Clem have gone through in your lives and I always enjoy reading your perspectives and Clem’s. Another name I’ll add to that list is Lurker, who I tailgate with. You’ve all taught me many things from a perspective that I cannot view from my own shoes and I view the world differently because of it. I’ve been lucky enough to actually meet you all in person. So, call us weak, fragile, whatever you want. Doesn’t affect me one way or another. I still respect your opinions but am not going to resort to name calling and low blows. I believe I want the same thing as you do for minorities - respect, equality, the end of racism. Calling out people who want the same thing as you by saying they are weak and fragile doesn’t help bring us together to solve anything.

bro who do you want me to come together with?

the clowns who tell me to go back to africa?

those born and raised in NE ohio waiving the confederate flag while claiming they know their history?

those who support the confederacy and support those who fought to keep people like me in chains?

seriously bro. tell me. not being snarky or anything because yes i DO also respect the hell out of you and your knowledge. so tell me WHY i should come together with that trash i just mentioned.

because the vast majority of people who dont like racist are ALREADY on our side. so theres no coming together with people who are already here!

im frustrated right now from all aspects. i gotta argue with you and others on this board about this nonsense, and do you know what im doing RIGHT NOW as we speak?

arguing with a bunch of black and latino people who i know trying to cancel independence day like a bunch of freaking morons. you dont think IM frustrated and fed up with the fact that i got a whole bunch of clowns on MY side trying to make any little thing a reason to hate this country. you dont think IM frustrated with a lot of these far left guys who want to act more like saviors instead of allies.

but i CANT LET THAT CHANGE WHO I AM OR WHO I SUPPORT. so yea, it bothers me that you, a dude im tight with, is out here mad because some of these asshats cant control their anger out here in the streets, and is letting that affect what you believe.

the best example i got is DC. you know how many times hes out here trashing these far right crazies? or how many far right crazies trashes him just because he doesnt roll with Trump? but that doesnt change HIM. he's still conservative, still believes in the basic principles, and doesnt let some moron extremist change how he views the ideology from an individual level.

believe in whats right REGARDLESS of whatever morons are out there saying and doing dumb crap. your wife is is a liberal and thats great, power to the people.

but what isnt fine is her letting these losers making her want to vote for trump, who goes against anything she or YOU believe in.

because THAT is giving in to the masses. that is surrendering to the mob.

but maybe thats why i get into trouble all the time because im solo dolo. i dont care what ideology someone reps, im going hard in the paint based on what i believe in.

and yea i reread my post and i apologize for the low blows and the criticism of wifey. i know you and met you and you're cool people, and yall look like a great couple.

i apologize for how i said it, it was rude. but i stand by my opinion on it.

You're still playing the teacher aren't you?

I'll tell you what, since you're so "alienated" why don't you go vote for the other side? Since you want to support "unity".



You still haven't figured out they called Dems "snowflakes" for a reason. You still haven't figured out that refusing to fight back is a "sign of weakness".

It's odd how when you get all flustered you try and sound like a tough guy. But when it comes to standing up for what you believe in and the real opposition in our country, you propose people play like lambs.

Your BS has gotten old.

How dare people stand up to you when you continue an age old tradition. I mean first it was telling black people where to protest. Then it became how to protest. Now it's turned into telling them "what's the most important" things they should be protesting.

And of course black people and those who support their cause are the bad guys here. They should just allow white people to continue to tell them when, where, and now what to protest and in what order.

In response you just spew a bunch of word vomit as if it actually means anything.

Thanks Swish, that post is exactly what I was looking for as I know you’re mad, and rightfully so. You can’t come together with people like you mentioned. They are idiots. What I don’t want is people just not voting because they are tired of the hate. That is a vote for Trump IMO. This election cycle was prime for a 3rd party candidate, it’s just too bad one couldn’t rise up.

My wife will still vote for Biden. I likely will as well, and I’ve never voted Democrat, but Trump is just too much. The biggest reason in the past I vote leaning right is fiscal policies, but that side has lost its way as far as that goes. Socially, I lean more left and in this cycle I think social policy is at the top of my list of importance.

Thanks, for the apology as well, it means a lot.

On a note we can talk more on the same page about, I picked up a 2017 A7 last week. Miss the luxury and power of the A8, but the styling on the A7 is really nice. It’s going into the shop to get a APR stage 2 chip and supercharger pulley to get it up to about 450hp, but it will still lack the torque of the V8. Should have maybe went with the S7, but the price and mileage on the A7 were too much to pass up. Where I got the car, they had a 2020 M8 Competition Coupe. Drool. www.toybarncars.com - they’ve got some really nice stuff.

I am standing up for what I believe in. I oppose hate and bias. I think people on both sides practice those despicable tactics. I fight against them all. You are part of such a group and I will continue to call you out as long as you are so hateful and biased. So yeah, I'm fighting the likes of you.

For the record..........on this particular board, the majority of hateful, biased posts are handed out by a group of people on the left. They've pretty much succeeded in driving away alternative opinions w/their constant attacks, ridicule, insults, and gang mentality. If the folks on the polar side were doing most of those cowardly and devious attacks, I would focus on them.

In other circles that don't involve this board, I do indeed focus on the hate and bias that comes from the hateful factions of the right.

One last thing...........I have said this many times, but I believe that dividing the country is a bad idea. I think differences of opinion are a good thing, but by being tone-deaf to the other side and attacking them repeatedly is destructive.

Thus, I will continue "fight" for bridging gaps and bringing people together as opposed to adopting the "divide and conquer" methods that some believe in. And when I fight, I can stand on my own. I don't need to hide in the midst of some tribal gang and let them do my fighting for me.

But are you really solo dolo? I see "mobs" on both sides. I don't see a side or candidate that exhibits my values. I see people "attacking" minorities on one side and people "attacking" white people on the other. Trump's an idiot, but so is Biden.

I'm not going to go to the left side because it's better than the right side if it's doing things I don't believe in or think will work. Picking sides is a terrible way to do things outside of schoolyard pick up games.

Which of us is really showing the balls to go solo dolo?

Telling both sides they do things that are wrong doesn't win many friends. Doing the right thing is more important to me than doing the thing that will get me patted on the back but just creates problems.

You enjoy getting patted on the back for sticking with your group most of the time. That's fine. I do appreciate that you mentioned not liking some of the things "your side" does. That's more than many on both sides will do.

I focus more on trying to get rid of the bad stuff than I worry about the sides. Wrong is wrong no matter who is doing it. There isn't a good side and a bad side. There are two groups that both do good and bad things. I'm not joining either. If they didn't do bad things, I wouldn't say anything against it.

I get people don't like being told what to do. I haven't seen anyone actually point out anything wrong with my suggestions. It's all "don't tell them what to do." Hey, if that's what they want to do, I'm not going to stop them. But, it doesn't really seem to be doing what they claim to want it to do, so what is the harm in suggesting trying something else to see if it works better?

Groups don't want people to think. They want people to think like them. I just want people to think. People are hesitant to call out their groups, because they are in effect calling out themselves. This fixed, discrete (as in completely separate and clearly defined) view of groups and membership in them is problematic.

All this I'm a Democrat, I'm a Republican, I'm black, I'm white- I don't care. Those labels don't tell me what you do. I care about what people do and the effects of their actions.

If an action is having unintended side effects, is it that outlandish to ask if trying a different action might make more sense? The response always seems to be based on the supposed groups involved instead of just considering the actions.

You obviously need to do a much better job.



All you are playing is a broken record. You've got it so bad you even send people curse laden texts and call them because you let this this board seep into your life and make you miserable. And then you have the audacity to talk about the hate in others?



Sad, just sad.



Nobody cares Vers. Nobody cares. Of course you do.



Yes, if it just weren't for a few posters on this board our country would be unified.





You must have missed how divided things were before we started dishing back in the other direction. But it's all our fault and you are the guiding light, the moral standard we should all be striving to emulate.

You don't see just how hypocritical you've become. I've never hidden behind anyone else. That seems to be your tactic at the moment.

I'm not going to continue to exchange insults w/you. I stand by what I said. I don't care what you think about me. And I will continue to voice my opinions when and how I want. You and your gang can't stop me.

Oh by all means you go right ahead. Since you're the self proclaimed, "expert on the black community", continue telling them when to protest, where to protest, how to protest and by all means establish their priority list what order to protest them in.

I'm sure you feel you are qualified to do that and they're awaiting your marching orders.

Pit, I don't feel I know more about their community than they do. I feel I know more about their community than guys like your group does. I lived in one and I taught in one. I have spent a good portion of my life in those communities.

Let's look at the thread title. It's called Come Together. I don't think I was preaching any kind of division. I was asking for people to come together and work together for the good of all.

Some folks, and you in particular, have turned this thread into an ugly back-and-forth exchanging of insults and accusations.

Man, take a step-back for once and think about it. May I ask that you stop trying to "win" every argument and just actually have an intelligent conversation.

I believe that we can win more people over by treating them w/respect than by making fun of their wives and demeaning them w/stereotypical labels.

What's important? Winning an argument or helping folks come together?

Isn't a prerequisite of this to actually possess intelligence?

I'm not sure of your intentions.

I would disagree if you are saying that Pit isn't intelligent. I do think he is intelligent.

If you are saying I am not intelligent..........Okay, and thank you.

I wasn't saying anything about you.

Well that leaves you out of it.

JC
Serious question can one of the Dems here explain what Biden means by Transforming The U.S.A. if you can....Transform into what exactly?

Well then Vers, let's unpack this.



I understand this was simply setting the stage and isn't an actual topic of the conversation.



This is great in theory. But why pretend this is actually a possibility? You do realize a bridge being built takes both sides to work on the construction of it, correct? Just look at the latest "bridge building" we have seen from the voice of the Republican party leader...



This is a man who stands firmly behind making Civil War generals somehow heroes and patriots. The average sentence for rape in our nation is 9.8 years. Too short? I think so but that's the way it is. So he in turn signs an executive order giving ten year sentences for anyone involved in tearing down a civil war monument. So to him, the involvement of wiping out racist statues deserves a stiffer penalty than rape.

The people who support him and refuse to stand against his hate filled rhetoric is who we should "be building a bridge" with? The people who support trump and/or refuse to stand against him have attacked civility. They have attacked common decency. "There are good people on both sides" is not something you can "build a bridge" with.

Trump stands for everything I'm pretty much against. He emboldens racists. He is the hero to white supremacists. He lacks any moral fiber. He is an habitual liar. He is everything decent human beings abhor. He is the biggest threat to our nation or its unity I have seen in my lifetime. Sometimes the facts of what someone believes may mirror the appearance of hate. But those are certainly my actual beliefs as to what those who support him embolden.

Does that mean they all support everything he says? Certainly not. But whether they are willing to admit it or not, they are certainly supporting him being in the position as leader of the fee world and the leader of the Republican party. So no matter their denials, as goes Trump, so goes the Republican party. As to the things Trump says, so is the representation of the Republican party. The things Trump says is who they are now.



It's actually not nonsense at all. All people know about you who have never met you is what you post on this board. You have the choice to state your beliefs any way you see fit. Which means you also have the choice not to attack those who agree with you for the most part because "you don't like their tactics." There are people on here who do that. Right off the top of my head I'll use bonefish as an example.

But your answer has seemed to be to start a war with those you claim to agree with on most political issues because "you don't think they play nice". You tell them how they should approach discussing politics. What issues are most important in the black communities. It's as if you wish to dictate the actions of others.

That's when you start getting treated in a manner you see as "unfair". Maybe, just maybe if you would stop acting like you were the imperial ruler of all discussions, things would be easier for you.

But somehow I just don't think you can resist it.



When all that's going on is your president promoting hate and less than half of the voters support that man remain in power, the idea that anything promoted in concern to "uniting" is futile.



Once again, when all that's coming out from the very top of our government is division and lies, when you have people continue to agree with him, you seem to have convinced yourself that a solution of "coming together" is an answer.



Let me put this in the most simple of terms. Not that I don't feel you have the ability to comprehend something more complex, but just to make it as obvious as I can for everyone.

When a bully is going around the playground punching everyone in the mouth, trying to talk to him when he walks up to you only causes you to be the next one to get punched in the mouth. The actual answer is to punch him in the mouth first.

Now a teacher may come in and break that up. That teacher may punish that bully and stop his action. But in this case, from my perspective, you are actually just another student on the playground suggesting we just stand there and be the bullies next victim.

I refuse to let another student cause me to allow that bully to go unchecked.

It's simply a difference of opinion on how to handle a bully and how to address it. You seem to suggest that some of us try and discuss it. We have seen how that goes. I can give you countless examples of trump's hateful rhetoric and the division he has been sowing.

You can address that any way you see fit. But maybe, just maybe you should spend more time addressing the root cause of the division rather than suggest it's being caused by some posters on a message board. That's up to you.

Transforming it back to where we have a president that doesn't promote hatred and division would be a good start. Transforming it back to when we were not a laughing stock to the entire world would be another an added bonus.

Leading the world in being able to fight off a virus rather than be the only nation rated as low as Brazil might be nice. I mean surely we can do better than what Trump would describe as a $#!+hole country, right?

Those are just a few for starters.

Keep trying. You'll get it right one of these days. At least you're persistent.

You even have a fan club. That's special.

It’s transforming and moving away from a growing dictatorship government lead by a known racist that is enabling violence and a deadly virus that has killed hundreds of thousands. But I’m sure all you trump supporters are happy with the death toll of the trump administration that could have been avoided. Pffft trump supporters. Money over life.

Thanks i was just curious

Does Biden still currently have an F rating from the NRA? His track record sucks on individual freedoms, that won't sway moderates at all. He can't really say anything differently though because his history of actions prove he's anti 2nd amendment. The guy is a lost cause because of this alone.

Here comes "'ol double barrel" Joe!

Hopefully, this will be my last post to you in this forum. I say that because of the crap you guys resorted to in the other thread where I talked about "helping" people. Somehow, you turned that around and tried to make me the bad guy through ridicule in the "fence sitters" posts. I'll probably slip up and respond to you again, because sometimes I am weak w/the discipline thing.

I just want to say this.............when I talk about coming together, I am not talking about Trump in any way, shape, form, or matter. I despise the man. I think he's gone.

I'm talking about moving forward and how we can build a better country. The constant side-taking is a detriment to us becoming a united country. Swish can lay into me about being a fence sitter and you and Rocket can follow his lead and mock me, but I'm good w/the handle because it means I see the values and issues w/both sides. I am not ignorant or hateful enough to completely condemn one side and glorify the other.

I'm getting old and sometimes I get tired of trying to fight the good fight. There are too many folks that hate one side or another. It's counter-productive to all of us, but still they persist. It's another way "the man" holds us down. He keeps us fighting and while he pulls his puppet strings and goes unscathed while we destroy one another.

I worked my ass off all day trying to earn money. I'm old. I'm tired. And I am real tired of fighting w/people who don't want to better relations and only blame one side.

You, Swish, Rocket, and whomever else who part of your elite group can keep up the crusade to fight hate w/hate. To fight ignorance w/ignorance. To make fun of anyone who dares to think differently. You never have believed me when I have tried to tell y'all that those tactics and beliefs will only alienate those you want to change. Because you will never get the hardcore, hateful, biased folks to change. But, the people in the middle? The so-called "fence-riders?" Those people can be swayed because they see both sides. And when hateful souls say they despise those people, they are losing a golden opportunity to recruit members who can help them accomplish their goals.

There, that is a lesson from a "teacher."

Well said

Sometimes I really think politics brings out the worst in people, including myself. If it were in real life I'd like to think the conversations would be more civil. I also like to believe none of the more targeted posts are personal, and I'd like to apologize for any mean ones I've made in the past.

You know what I want? An annual in person meeting to talk amongst dawgtalkers.net about politics! Can you imagine how that would go.

Yep, for some unknown reason, people aren't as abrasive when they meet in person and aren't hiding behind a keyboard.

You shouldn't worry about it, you're not making the cut.

j/c...

What a terrific story...

Amazing young lady!

Her website:

https://www.chelseascharity.com/

A white Florida man who was filmed yelling at a Black homeowner while waving a BB gun also faked being a Navy SEAL for years, report says

https://www.yahoo.com/news/white-florida-man-filmed-yelling-101251367.html

I’m supposed to come together with clowns like this in the country?

Absolutely not.

Klan: “we wanna kill black people!”

Black people: “we want equal rights!”

Vers and Bull’s centrist ass: “why don’t we allow a quota so that you only kill black people some of the time?”

Klan: “great!!”

Black people: “no!!”

Vers and bull: “see, you guys only want to hate and not come together”.

KKK: We wanna burn crosses.

BLM fringe: We wanna burn police cruisers and storefronts.

Bull and Vers: How about all of you nutjobs stop setting things on fire?

KKK and Alt-left: Don't tell us what to do! You don't understand. You're not one of us.

Swish: Bull, Vers, why don't you pick a side and stand for something? Why not the KKK? I respect them more than you. I'm standing with my group for my own self-interest. Don't you see how "solo dolo" I am? You guys wanna set quotas on killing black people!

Bull/Vers: ...If that quota is zero, I guess, sure.

Swish: No, only black people can say how many black people can be killed! Geez, you wicked fence-sitters, trying to tell other people what to do! How dare you!?!?!

You put way too much information in there for it to be effective.

I lost interest.

Also, do you prefer to stand on the fence? Or do you like to balance off your ballsack?

One is definitely more painful than the other. But like a typical centrist, “hey, could be worse.”