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If Snyder was smart, he'd do what Florida State University has done for years!

He won't though. At least the Dolans finally banished Wahoo.

The only reason the Dolan family obliged was b/c of MLB dangling the All-Star game in front of them. Money was the driving factor, not a moral revelation.

Snyder will oblige as well, b/c in the end, cash is king.

That's also because the Dolans are cowards.

yeah that’s it. Not that you are a bit upset about losing your racist symbols.

Doing this still won't help bc it's the name in itself.

Seminoles (name of a tribe) vs. Redskins (slang term for native americans with derogatory connotation).

Either change the name to something thats related to native americans and not offensive, or completely revamp everything and go in a different direction.

For decades, I have said that you can honor Native Americans w/a team name rather than resort to a derogatory name such as the Redskins or a logo like Chief Wahoo.

It's a shame when people aren't brave enough to stand up and be racists.

To me it is just a logo. My hope is we get past all of this.

I never viewed Uncle Ben's rice as something offensive. It's just good rice products.

Wahoo, he was a cartoon character.

Notre Dame, the Fighting Irish. My DNA tests show I am around 85% Irish. Little leprechaun with fists curled and wearing a green derby hat. That doesn't bother me. I mean who do you see walking around in a green derby? I understand that it is a logo.

I see it as honoring people, not putting them down.

Redskins, I can maybe buy in to the argument at bit, but really, who is going to name their team after a dirty redskin?

And I don't say that with malice. I am just saying it doesn't make sense. I don't know who named the team, but if they didn't like natives, I doubt they would have named the team as such.

Hey, I have a great great grandmother who was a full blooded Blackhawk. I am the last in line who can apply for tribal recognition with 1/16 blood. My cousin's Brenda and Joe have and are in the Tribe. If it makes you feel better, maybe I will as well.

Well we are all starting to figure out that things only matter by the way you see it.

You should. Then you can come here like Rocket and preach that no one is qualified to debate you.

That's a idea!

j/c:

The Cleveland Indians are probably next on the list. Then perhaps the Chiefs, Braves, etc.

I suppose the Browns could be viewed as offensive by some. Are we willing to change that name?


It's a color some people hold.

Yeah, naming a team after a man is so offensive. Of course you'll have extreme factions that reach past the point of common sense. That exists on both sides. But sometimes it helps when we look beyond ourselves and try to understand how people who see things differently than we do feel about things.

I agree w/you. They are not as offensive as Redskins. However, sometimes that doesn't matter.

Sorry, forgot to mention I do believe the name should be changed as well.

Historical records show the Piscataway, Pamunkey, the Nentego (Nanichoke), Mattaponi, Chickahominy, Monacan, and the Powhatan all lived around the area of D.C. Snyder should reach out to one of these organizations and do what FSU did.

You don't have the authority to tell a rich man what to name his team.

LOL............couldn't resist. Hopefully, you might realize how freaking nuts you sound when you make those comments.

Anyone can debate. Just come with facts.

I respect Peen's opinion on this. I'm not going to try and tell him he needs to feel any different.

I have also studied under a few Indigenous scholars with their doctorates who wish the Redskins would change their name and do something similar to FSU.

The point is to step out of the way and let groups decide their own destiny. Opinions are fine and all just don't act like the sole authority on a group different than your own. If you're going to advocate, ask the group what messaging they would like you to use in order to discuss hard topics.

So yes, I may feel the Redskins should completely change everything, but I'm not going to go on a crusade and tell a minority group they're wrong while preaching about "furthering the divide" or "this isn't change because you're shaming them...do it this way instead".

Yeah, because rich white dude is the same as a minority group who gets told by many people to act a certain way because its offensive to peaceful protest.



One of us says they've done more for black Americans on this very forum than the actual black Americans of this very forum.

One of us had to specifically comment on a stereotype of black Americans while one of us hasn't.

One of us constantly blows the Chicago dog whistle while the other doesn't.

One of us constantly tries to act like a white Dr. King while the other steps out of the way and listens.

If you want to talk about ridiculous, maybe think about how you view black Americans.

j/c:

It's funny to see Chief Wahoo trending on Twitter as if the team still uses the logo.

Idiots.

Understand something. I'm glad you find me ridiculous. You, and your little group, disgust me. You continually spout hateful, vindictive, biased comments. I don't want to be associated w/your group in any way other than the guy who opposes you.

I am for bringing people together and bridging the gap. Your group is about dividing and conquering.

I know what I have done and what I haven't. Your BS accusations and interpretations of my history mean nothing to me. Well, they do mean something. They just reaffirm how ugly y'all are. Go tell that to your PM Chat group.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20...-common-answer/

Just last year, they said proud.

I could probably find you 500 conservatives who love socialism, too!

They can feel that way. I still won’t tell them they’re wrong or what they should do. I don’t have that power.

On the flip side, I can personally attest to many Indigenous individuals who don’t care for caricatures or terrible names developed by people not from that Indigenous group.

Bottom line: The "Redskins" name is offensive. They aren't red. It's a demeaning term. Get rid of it.

They can change the logo to a potato and keep the name.

Here is my one issue with Native Americans wanting this name changed.

Last I heard (and this was a couple years ago) there were a significant number (can't remember exactly, I think 15?) of high schools on reservations that use Redskins as their nickname/mascot.

Native Americans have all the power to decide what the nickname for those high schools are and picked Redskins. If the term is so highly offensive why is that the case?

If I owned the Washington football team and didn't want to change my trademark, I would point those schools out and say that if each and every one of them changed their mascot then I would change mine.

Then, if they did, I would.

The logo is maybe the coolest logo in the NFL. The name is the worst in the NFL. It would be great if they could keep the logo and re-name the team to something that fits the logo.

Honoring Native Americans is a good thing! I am not Native American, but I wish I was because I would be on the warpath right now. Very few people give a f... about them. It's not "trending" right now.

When I was a child, I became infatuated with "Indians" [that is what we called them back then.] I read every book in our local library about Indians. I loved their philosophy that they did not own the land, but they honored the land. Of course, that philosophy cost them big time and the whites claimed their land.

My favorite dudes were Cochise and Chief Joseph. Two intellectual dudes. They tried to reason w/the whites, but the whites would not be reasonable. Cochise had a saying. It was something like: "For every one of us that dies, ten whiteeyes will die."

Some might mock that statement and/or find fault w/it, but I get it.

thinking outside the box, i see....

Jester, I think you are an intelligent person. Do some research and don't rely on headline articles on what Native American life is really like.

What we have done to the Native Americans if far, far worse than what we have done to blacks. The Native Americans just lack spokespeople. Their living conditions are horrific.

Washington owner Dan Snyder can't build new stadium at RFK site unless team changes its name

Chris CwikYahoo SportsJul 2, 2020, 1:01 PM

The pressure is on Washington football team owner Dan Snyder to change the team’s name. While calls to change the team’s name have existed for years, the situation escalated Wednesday, as officials told Snyder he couldn’t build a new stadium on the RFK site unless the team changes its name, according to the Washington Post.

That ultimatum comes courtesy of U.S. Rep. Raúl M. Grijalva, according to The Post.

Grijalva, whose committee oversees the Department of the Interior and the National Park Service, which owns the land, called the prospect of a Redskins stadium on the site a “non-starter,” both for him and the Democratic caucus, given the objections to what he called a “racist nickname” as well as strong views about how to honor the legacy of Robert F. Kennedy, who championed social justice and inclusion, in any development of the site.

“The time [for the name] has ended,” Grijalva said. “There is no way to justify it. You either step into this century or you don’t. It’s up to the owner of the team to do that.”
Other officials backed Grijalva’s statement, including Congresswoman Elenor Holmes Norton and Deputy Mayor John Falcicchio. Mayor Muriel Bowser has also indicated she’s in favor of the team changing its name.

Snyder is looking to move the team to another location once its lease with FedEx Field expires in 2027. It’s assumed Snyder is looking to build the new stadium at the RFK site. The franchise used to play at RFK Stadium, leaving in 1996 to move to FedEx Field.

In March 2019, a bill was introduced that would sell the land around RFK to Washington, D.C. Residents and officials would then be allowed to determine how that land would be used. Snyder wants to build a new stadium, and has tried to pass legislation making it easier for him to get his wish.

Snyder has faced increased pressure to change the team’s name following George Floyd’s death. On Wednesday, investors worth $620 billion signed letters asking FedEx, PepsiCo and Nike to end their relationships with the franchise. Those investors argue those companies are going against their stated commitments to diversity by supporting a team named the “Redskins,” which some consider a racial slur.

Other teams and sports leagues have removed racist iconography in the wake of protests stemming from Floyd’s death. The Minnesota Twins removed a statue of former team owner Calvin Griffith, who made racist comments. NASCAR banned the Confederate flag from its races.

The Washington football team made at least one similar change, removing former team owner George Preston Marshall’s name from the team website and wall of honor. Under Marshall, Washington was the last team in the NFL to integrate. It did so only after Marshall was told the team would not be able to play at RFK Stadium unless it integrated. Marshall is responsible for giving the team its name.

New head coach Ron Rivera was asked about the team’s name Monday. Rivera ducked the question, saying it wasn’t the time to talk about the issue.

Snyder has been vehemently opposed to changing the team’s name in the past. In 2013, Snyder said he would “never change the name of the team.”

https://sports.yahoo.com/washington-owne...-170106907.html

I know we have. I just hate when people get upset over use of a word but then turn around and use it to refer to themselves.

Just like I hate when blacks call each other the N word.

Me too, bro.

Just like they get outraged by police brutality, but are okay w]gang-bangers killing children. False protest.

I will continue to do what I do. I spend 3 days a week in the city helping minorities. I also frequent their local businesses. I will continue to treat each as individual. I will not allow radicals to dictate my beliefs.

So, the guy that constantly says, "come with the facts" wants to pick and choose which facts are acceptable. Typical.

I've been to the Nansmond powwow several time, and I always see a lot of redskin hats and jerseys being worn by the Nansmond. I still believe this is nothing more than projected white guilt. It always reminds me of the Gary Lawson/Jane Goodall flap back in the 80s, when the Goodall institute decided to get offended on Jane's behalf.

You see NFL Redskin jackets and Cleveland Indians jackets worn by many native American's on the Blackfeet Indian Reservation.

The Redskins primary logo used today was first designed in 1971 in close consultation with Native American leaders. Among those who unanimously approved and voiced praise for the logo was Walter “Blackie” Wetzel, a former President of the National Congress of American Indians and Chairman of the Blackfeet Nation. Years earlier, Mr. Wetzel had been deeply involved with U.S. President John F. Kennedy in the movement for civil liberties, civil rights, and economic freedom for all. In 2014, Mr. Wetzel’s son Don commented, “It needs to be said that an Indian from the State of Montana created the Redskins logo, and did it the right way. It represents the Red Nation, and it’s something to be proud of.”

https://sportslogohistory.com/washington-redskins-primary-logo