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Originally Posted By: Iluvmyxstripper
Higgins is a tweener WR. not fast or elusive
Enough to leave DBs behind and not physical
Enough to break tackles for YAC.
Does he have a catch over 50 yds in his career ?


He has a long of 56 ... so yes.


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This new coach will use Higgins I hope ...


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Higgins isn't even on the roster. He's a FA.


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Originally Posted By: PitDAWG
Higgins isn't even on the roster. He's a FA.


Hopefully we re-sign him.

I like Higgins a lot. Reliable route runner and reliable hands. Nothing incredible, but a good 3rd receiver.


Not sure about his special teams play of course, but he's better than Ratley and anyone else at WR in terms of his offensive skill


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If we don't re-sign him soon, I wouldn't expect it to happen at all.

We already have our top 2 set with Ratley as the #3. I don't know that Higgins is better than Ratley, and Baker has all summer to get the same chemistry with the whole crew (if they choose to actually work as a team, that is).

Actually... I wouldn't expect us to re-sign him at all. We have several guys on the roster as it is. From here we'll bring in a slew of UDFA's and maybe one draft pick if there is a guy who we have rated highly enough drops to where he's the BPA at the time.


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Originally Posted By: PitDAWG
Higgins isn't even on the roster. He's a FA.


He will be


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You sound pretty sure of yourself. So we signed a FB almost nobody had heard of and haven't signed Higgins and you think we really want him? Not impossible but that sounds like fuzzy math.


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Pit...accuracy is the amount of perfect passes he threw in tight windows even with himself throwing a number of passes high last year. One is a simple technical adjustment that can get him in the 70-80% completion.

Throwing a pass a tad high (catchable I might add) is not the same as the MULTITUDE of pass I saw made by Garaffalo that were "BEHIND" the WR which shows to me his stats were excellent but I thought he had a chink in his Accuracy. Baker on the other hand throwing the ball high with pressure in his face or on the run showed he just was throwing the ball a lot more power than normally also making wonder if he was hitting the weight room too much on the upper body.

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What the hell are you talking about? Just cause you don't UNDERSTAND SOMETHING it doesn't make it wrong. Right away you make it a negative of my thought process...ahem, it you that don't get it...NOT ME!

Again all the other things you talk about as in Playbook and then put it in ONE CONTEXT of throwing the ball high makes you ignorant or just someone who will make up things to make you look smarter crazy guess what?? It doesn't make you look smarter at all.

You are fixated on bashing our QB, which hey that's fine you will be the first saying how happy you are when it is proven on the field of what I say...great good for you. Don't make you "RIGHT" now makes you Ignorant on the subject of QBing.

Take care will be coming on the board later after we take Wills at # 10 wink


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Originally Posted By: PitDAWG
Higgins isn't even on the roster. He's a FA.


True...


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To me, the go to guy isn't the first look, it's the last look when things are falling apart.

Higgins had a knack of being where Baker was looking as time was running out.


Go to guy, plain and simple. We can talk about something else now.

What do you want to talk about? This subject is closed.


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Originally Posted By: PitDAWG
You sound pretty sure of yourself. So we signed a FB almost nobody had heard of and haven't signed Higgins and you think we really want him? Not impossible but that sounds like fuzzy math.


This FO has done pretty good so far If they watched Higgins and Baker work so well together why wouldn't they resign him he won't break the bank and he is good for Baker ...


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I didn't know you had been named the "official closer of subjects". When did that happen? wink


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I'm not fixated on bashing our QB. I'm just one among about everyone who saw a drastic difference in the Baker of 2018 and the Baker of 2019. The difference between us is I'm not trying to make excuses for it or absolving Baker of being a part of why it happened.

Obviously your reading comprehension is lacking. I gave Baker a lot of credit as well.


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If we don't re-sign him soon, I wouldn't expect it to happen at all.

We already have our top 2 set with Ratley as the #3. I don't know that Higgins is better than Ratley, and Baker has all summer to get the same chemistry with the whole crew (if they choose to actually work as a team, that is).

Actually... I wouldn't expect us to re-sign him at all. We have several guys on the roster as it is. From here we'll bring in a slew of UDFA's and maybe one draft pick if there is a guy who we have rated highly enough drops to where he's the BPA at the time.



I think Higgins will see a market after the draft.

No reason to sign a FA if we end up drafting one of these talented WRs.


And i don't think this is just the case with Higgins. I think it is with some other WRs too.


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Originally Posted By: PitDAWG
You sound pretty sure of yourself. So we signed a FB almost nobody had heard of and haven't signed Higgins and you think we really want him? Not impossible but that sounds like fuzzy math.


Signing the FB has nothing to do with Higgins’s status or how the FO views him or what the plan is for him.


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I didn't know you had been named the "official closer of subjects". When did that happen? wink



A good while ago.


Subject closed. Pay closer attention.


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To me, the go to guy isn't the first look, it's the last look when things are falling apart.


Unfortunately, w/our current qb, the first look is often the last look.

Just kidding. Well, for the most part I am just kidding. wink

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The 'go-to guy', whether first look or not, is the preferred player you go to when it's 4th down ...


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Higgins was out for 3 games. We lost all 3.


That about says it all.


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Football Outsiders adjusted interceptions for 2019:

https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2020/adjusted-interceptions-2019

Baker actually ended up with more interceptions when they were adjusted. Last season was a complete disaster.

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That was good watch. We should be able to do at least some of this well, feed our backs and open up for BM. I can see this getting better as the season goes along.

Very interesting Xs and Os watch. Thanks for a cogent post.


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To me, the go to guy isn't the first look, it's the last look when things are falling apart.


Unfortunately, w/our current qb, the first look is often the last look.

Just kidding. Well, for the most part I am just kidding. wink




You are, but I don't disagree that Baker is a 1st read type of QB. That is what he does, the quick hitters. It didn't help our Oline was average at best.

That should be improved now that we know we have Conklin and Wills. Baker also likes his TE. In college he fed that Andrews kid who is now a beast with the Ravens. Just like with the line, that should be improved this year with the addition of Hooper.

We don't know what kind of route trees we were running. We need to find ways to have two receivers in his sight line on every play, just at different levels.

When things go bad, he rolls right. Somebody always needs to there on the right. That is where Higgy made his money in the past. I don't know if the play was designed like that, but when Higgins saw Baker scrambling, he was headed to the right sideline and heading back towards Baker.


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Originally Posted By: PitDAWG
Higgins isn't even on the roster. He's a FA.


He will be ...

You sound pretty sure of yourself. So we signed a FB almost nobody had heard of and haven't signed Higgins and you think we really want him? Not impossible but that sounds like fuzzy math.


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That’s a very worrisome sig there, pastor.

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I could not find a suitable thread to put this in and I didn't want to start a new one, but I am encouraged that Baker is taking the initiative.

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Mayfield huddles Browns teammates in Texas for workouts

TOM WITHERS (AP Sports Writer)

The Associated PressMay 14, 2020, 6:43 PM EDT

CLEVELAND (AP) -- Baker Mayfield isn't waiting around for the NFL to re-open facilities.

Cleveland's quarterback invited several of his Browns teammates, including tight end David Njoku and wide receiver Rashard Higgins, to work out with him in Texas during the COVID-19 shutdown.

Like the rest of the league, the Browns haven't been able to conduct any of their organized off-season program because of the virus outbreak.

The league recently extended virtual workouts through May 29.

Mayfield is looking to bounce back after struggling last season, when the Browns buckled under huge expectations and finished 6-10. Mayfield, who broke the league rookie touchdown record in 2018, threw 22 TD passes last season but also 21 interceptions.

Njoku and Higgins both had good chemistry with Mayfield during his rookie season.

First-year Browns coach Kevin Stefanski has been conducting virtual meetings with his new players, who are having to learn their playbooks as well as offensive and defensive systems from afar.

It's gone about as well as Stefanski could have hoped.

''Players, young people are a resilient bunch and I think they learn under these unique circumstances,'' Stefanski said. ''I think they're better equipped to do this than maybe any other generation. They're so attuned to the technological aspect of this whole thing. Our coaches are really attacking this and I think there's a lot of learning that's going on right now. The feedback I've gotten from the guys is very positive.''

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/mayfield-huddles-browns-teammates-texas-workouts-224304239--nfl.html


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Best QBs by throw:

https://touchdownwire.usatoday.com/2020/...Gxb7lP8a2p1QIqA

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The designed rollout: Baker Mayfield, Cleveland Browns

It may surprise you to know that Jared Goff had the most rollout throws in the NFL last season with 75, 15 more than any other quarterback. But Goff wasn’t the most efficient quarterback when rolling out — that was Mayfield, who completed 16 of 20 passes for 285 yards, two touchdowns, and no interceptions. Expect far more boot-action rollouts for Mayfield in Kevin Stefanski’s offense in 2020.


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Baker Mayfield and Aaron Rodgers tied for the most attempts on run-pass option throws last season with 49, but neither was terribly efficient with them — Mayfield threw two touchdowns and two picks. . .

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NFL offensive line rankings: All 32 units entering the 2020 NFL season

6. CLEVELAND BROWNS
The No. 1 priority this offseason in Cleveland was shoring up the offensive tackle position, and no team invested more there than the Browns. They signed Jack Conklin to a three-year, $42 million deal to play right tackle and used the No. 10 overall pick on Jedrick Wills Jr. to play left tackle. Conklin has the No. 11 run-blocking grade among tackles since entering the league in 2016, and he’s an above-average pass protector — but not the kind of leave-on-an-island tackle who usually garners the biggest contract. Still, Conklin is a clear upgrade at right tackle, and the most immediate gains should be seen in the run game. Wills played on the right side at Alabama and steps in as the left tackle of the future. He’s an explosive run blocker who has developed nicely in pass protection, where he allowed only seven pressures over his last nine games at Alabama in 2019.

At left guard, Joel Bitonio has the No. 13 grade in the league since 2016, including the No. 3 pass-blocking grade at 90.9. Center J.C. Tretter’s 77.3 overall grade ranks 11th among centers over the past four years, and his 89.4 pass-blocking grade ranks second during that time. That leaves right guard as the Browns' biggest question mark. Wyatt Teller has been a solid pass protector at that spot, but his run blocking has been sub-par. He heads into a pivotal Year 3 where many offensive linemen take steps forward in development.

Chris Hubbard, last year’s starting right tackle, is now a swing tackle. He's a nice option to have as a depth piece with three good years of play under his belt. The Browns finished just 23rd in PFF’s 2019 offensive line rankings, but they have the pieces to make the biggest move in the NFL — especially if Wills develops quickly as a rookie.

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-offensive-line-rankings-all-32-units-entering-the-2020-nfl-season


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With this line and our RBs, I think we will see a lot of teams needing to stack the box against the run. Hopefully, Baker is able to feast on that with our TEs and WRs.


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