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No one I know did that. No one I know has ever owned a slave. No one I know was ever a slave. I have no guilt white or otherwise about what someone else did before I was born. I'm sure if I cared, I could find some distant relative that was mistreated by someone of a different race. Then again I don't care, I wasn't there.

I have no idea how our country turned into a bunch of whiny weaklings. The things people get offended by are ridiculous.

So since you didn't do any of that you somehow think that changes history? That means those whose ancestors it did happen to shouldn't care?

That sounds exactly how a weakling would respond.

I sincerely applaud your lack of political correctness, but it’s long overdue to charge the Redskins name.

I’m not so sure about Indians and Braves, but I get that, too.

j/c...

j/c:

A couple of years ago, Excel and I had--what I thought--a fairly rational and fair exchange on the subject of whether or not we should move on from Chief Wahoo. Now, I don't know if he agrees that it was a good discussion, but I thought it was. Neither of us made up lies about what the other was saying. We didn't call each other names. We didn't try to finger point. We just had a discussion.

I argued that Chief Wahoo and the Redskins names were offensive and should be removed. He argued that once you start that process, that other names will die to because people will claim they are offensive. I said that while there would be some people who protested against names like the Chiefs, Blackhawks, Seminoles, Braves, etc......that the majority of people would not allow that. He wasn't convinced. It never got ugly, but we just did not agree.

Well, maybe he was right and I was wrong? It's not over yet, but all this talk about offensive names is a bit much. Chief Wahoo and the Redskin names needed to go.

Indians? Ehhh.....while that isn't the correct name for a group of people, I don't really think it is offensive. I would not change the name. But, it looks like it will be changed and that is why I said Excel may have been correct and I was wrong.

The following names are not offensive at all. Chiefs, Seminoles, Braves, Blackhawks, Aztecs, etc. I think those names actually are a sign of honor. Let's face it, teams will choose a nickname like Eagles, Bears, Lions, Falcons, Tigers, etc and not choose a name like Weasels, Skunks, Rats, Mice, Worms, etc. LOL............watch someone prove me wrong and find a team name w/one of those. That would be funny.

I don't know, man. I think some things start out as a good cause and then others take things too far. We see it happen over and over again. I think that people who take things too far actually hurt the cause because others just become irritated or disinterested.

You gotta pick and choose your battles.

That doesn't sound good.

At least it's not the Browns.

Amen.

j/c

I'm offended by the term minutemen

Your sexual problems probably shouldn’t be aired on the board.

The three minority owners all announcing recently their desire to share their stake in the team makes a little more sense now.

On their own they aren't, but there's issues when there's literally NO ONE from the people who represent the name are working within the organization to some degree to find ways to honor what the team wishes to represent.

It would be like you or me going to Mars, telling aliens we're representatives of the Mayans, but we have no tie or endorsement of the Mayans at all.

This is where FSU works well. They actually work with the Seminoles. The Blackhawks did their due dilligence, too.

Braves and Indians consist of lumping many Indigenous groups into a singular monolith. While not of the level of the Washington football team, organizations can still do better. My Alaska Native graduate advisor and I have talked about these very topics, and my perspective is from him and many others I've talked to up here. It's good to try and get to the source or someone as close as you can to the source.

No one is saying "these people are racist because they like the name Indians or Braves" but what many are saying is "well, if you want to honor us work with us."

It's not that hard.

You were one of the people I was thinking about when I said some folks take it too far and actually end-up hurting the cause.

Not necessarily for those names, but here's some wierd ones.


Hartford Yard Goats - Minor League Baseball (Double-A affiliate of Colorado Rockies)

Montgomery Biscuits - Minor League Baseball (Double-A affiliate of Tampa Bay Rays)

Webster University Gorloks - Webster Groves, Missouri College

South Dakota School of Mines Hardrockers - Rapid City, South Dakota

Modesto Nuts - Minor League Baseball (Class A-Advanced affiliate of Seattle Mariners)

Ninghamton Ruble Ponies - Minor League Baseball (Double-A affiliate of New York Mets)

St. Bonaventure Bonnies - St. Bonaventure, New York

Clinton Lumberkings - Minor League Baseball (Class A affiliate of Miami Marlins)

Santa Cruz Banana Slugs - Santa Cruz, California

Campbell Fighting Camels - Buies Creek, North Carolina

Jacksonville Jumbo Shrimp - Jacksonville, Florida

Scottsdale Community College Fighting Artichokes

University of Missouri-Kansas City Kangaroos

Wichita Wingnuts

Traverse City Beach Bums

Presbyterian College Blue Hose

Albuquerque Isotopes

Fort Wayne Mad Ants

New Orleans Baby Cakes

Macon Whoopie

Maker of Eskimo Pie Ice Cream Will Retire ‘Inappropriate’ Name
As worldwide demonstrations denounce racism, the company behind the nearly 100-year-old frozen treat said it was time to rename a brand considered culturally insensitive.

oh come on now demons, and the Devil do much worse. They do all those things to people for eternity.

As far as names go, I'm partial to the Amarillo Sod Poodles.

(Sod Poodles are Texan for groundhogs)

I'm not the trying to change history. I also not trying to erase it because someone is offended. How is tearing down U.S. Grant's statue or removing John Wayne's name from an airport going to make what happened in the past more palatable?
How are children supposed to learn from history if progressives have destroyed it with the help of a bunch of "woke" white people ashamed of being white?

I have no problem with people wanting to change teams names because they may demean certain groups of people. Now they are wanting to change names of cities and military bases because they are offended by the person they were named after. It's getting out of hand. You want to call me a weakling because I don't have my shorts in knot over our historical figures. Knock yourself out. Our country is the best country in the world despite the flaws our historical figures had. Hiding from it is what is really weak.

Trying to claim that confederate war monuments teach anyone "history" is a moronic stand.

Hundreds of thousands of people fought to end slavery. They're not "ashamed of being white". However, giving participation trophies to the losers by keeping their treasonous statues standing in town squares is all together different. In case yo missed it, they were the enemies. I guess since Germany doesn't have any statues of Hitler, they've forgotten all about WW2.

Why should American military bases be named after America's enemies? Maybe we should name one after one of Hitler's generals too. How about Johannes Erwin Eugen Rommel Air force Base?

Do a small band of far left extremists take things too far? Of course they do. Let's not pretend that doesn't work in both directions however.

People wishing To take down statues of Jefferson and Washington have certainly gone off the deep end. No different than those thinking that promoting the names of generals that were responsible for killing hundreds of thousands of United states soldiers should be perpetuated in our town squares and honored on the names of our military bases.

Once again, it’s not up to white men like us to decide “what’s too far”.

We need to let minority groups have ownership of how they’re represented. We need to let them guide us. Step out of the way and stop trying to hold the keys to the gate!

Who the hell are you to tell me what to do? I'll say what the hell I want to say. You are about the last person on this board that I would listen to. You constantly spew hate and BS. Take a freaking hike!

Or... scrap the entire idea of naming the team after Native Americans and move on!

If the "white men" who own a team have no say in the name because it might offend someone, it makes no sense to follow some protocol that will never please everyone anyway.

What do they do, reach out to all the tribes?
What if they aren't all included?
Will they form some consortium?
Will all objections be overcome?
Can they insure NO ONE will be offended?

Do you realize how ridiculous this sounds?

Add to that - somewhere between 5 hours and 5 years there will be a new group of offended protesters. Ludicrous!

Nah. Get away from the whole charade, let people like you call them "cowards", and move on...

There was a day when being a "liberal" meant that you were open to the opinions of others. Now, we have Rocket, who constantly goes around here telling "white people" what they can, think, and do. It's like a government run by a dictator where free speech is not tolerated.

Take that crap to some other country. It won't work here.

Fate and Vers,

We need to come to terms that no matter what we do that racism and implicit bias will always exist. However, that doesn’t mean just stop doing something. Instead this means we have to keep working together, listen to minority groups, and let go of the reigns. Why scares both of you soo much about letting go and giving others more skin in the game?

Also, why do you take offense to the term white people. Neither of you take offense to other groups of skin colors being called as such on this board.

I don't want to talk to you again. I'm tired of you telling me what I can say, think, and do. I do not tell you what to believe. I am fine if you feel that team names should be chosen in a certain way. I am not going to tell you that you don't have the right to say certain things. What I find offensive is how you think you have the authority to tell me what to say, think, and do. I do not like people who are oppressive. So again, take a hike!

Nah, I’ll keep sitting in this apartment in your mind rent free.

Here's the hilarious part in all of this. We have Vers going around saying we should work with others to form unity. You are suggesting we work with Native Americans to form unity to help solve the problem.

What are the results of that? You get belittled for trying to find unity.

You couldn't make this BS up if you tried.

Well, you just succeeded in making it up.

I did not criticize him for saying that we should work w/Native Americans. That's his right. I have no problem w/it.

The problem I had was him once again telling me what I can say and not say.

Pit, please stop telling lies. It doesn't help you "win." It just reveals your character.

Kinda rich coming from the guy, a white American, who's been hellbent for years on telling Kaepernick, a black American, what he should and shouldn't do.

Riiiight... and you're here twenty times a day telling others what they should or shouldn't do, think, say, feel, etc...

Hypocrisy much?

I don't take offense to the term "white people", I take offense to being lumped together in a group with my thoughts and intent categorized because of the color of my skin.

Sound familiar?

Leading some fairy-tale mission to help Native Americans decide the next name of the Redskins does NOTHING to right the past injustices levied against them. You suggesting it does would offend them more than the name of a freaking team. Duh.

All I ever say is what I've heard from the source.

As in I tell what I've been told from different communities of people unlike myself.

Maybe reach out to people very different than yourself, Fate. Maybe you would understand then.

Please state where I say that all the wrongs of the past would be totally washed away if a group was given the opportunity to have representation in how they were represented.

If you can show me where I say this, I'll leave the board forever. If you can't do this, you leave the board forever. Willing to take that wager?

I do and I always have... not as card-carrying members of a group, as individuals. I won't talk about it here or I'll be crucified in much the way Vers has been.

The protocol around here leaves two choices: Stand in lockstep with every idea under the assumption that it will fix something and like each other's posts.

OR: Raise any objection or questionable talking point and be told "Shut up and listen, white boy".

Wash, rinse, repeat.

Dude, really? How old are you? lol

Old enough to know that I as a white person can't and shouldn't tell a minority group how to act, and that any argument or claim that I make should be based in irrefutable facts. Also old enough to know that text shorthand does not belong in a sentence, too.

Apparently you don't feel confident enough in the claims you make. Make sure to source your statements next time you try and find a whole. Try again next time. Just don't miss.

Only he didn't do that. And I'm the one who is lying?

So who is the #snowflake now?