DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum David Njoku requests trade

j/c:

Kitchens is long-gone. I speculated about this earlier, but perhaps there is a player on the roster that Njoku doesn't really care for?

I am guessing the inference is he doesn't want to play with Baker? Can you confirm that was your intent?

If so it would be a little odd that you label Baker as wanting everything handed to him based on a couple of incidental reports about him with the Browns, ignoring his history as a walk on and earning every opportunity he ever received, and then performing excellently for a rookie after having not been prepared for the starting role.... and Njoku seemingly gets a free pass for announcing his wish to leave the team after the Browns sign a bonefide #1 TE, and instead of being labeled a quitter or someone who wants things handed to him you are happy to speculate that it's essentially the QB's fault (or at least it might be).

I was high on Njoku when we drafted him, and while he has definitely underwhelmed - I hope we keep him. He and Hooper would be a great 2 TE combo. I wouldn't trade him for anything less than a low 2nd or mid-high 3rd (projected) he has physical gifts that are simply hard to come by, he's had spells where he caught the ball well. I think he can still put it together.

Yeesh. The agenda is strong with this one.

Yeah, I'm sure he doesn't want to play behind Hooper.

I'm sure Vers was referring to Tretter. He's trying to stall the season denying Njoku of getting paid!

It was definitely Tretter!

What?

Tretter is just the player rep. He went to a Ivy school, Cornell, and degreed in labor relations.


He was elected because he knows what he is talking about and is a good NFL player. You don't want a dumb ass sitting at the table making your arguments. Ask Ricky Williams.


He has his ear on what players want.

Well that's why I wanted to qualify and didn't want to assume.

I don't think that's likely to be true... If he didn't want to play with Baker, why go to Texas to workout with him and other receivers?

I didn't know he did. Thanks for the info.

I respect that.

(Consider the source)

I try and ignore guys like you and 888, but how many shots are you going to take? Seriously? I have asked you nicely that we ignore one another. But, you take one shot after another.

"Consider the source?" Seriously? Are you calling me a bad person? You have repeatedly called me a "liar," "dishonest," etc.................and the refs let it go. If I were to respond to you in the same manner, I would be suspended.

I'll try again. Please back off. It's a message board and I can voice my opinions on subjects regarding the Browns. You can voice your opinions on subjects regarding the Browns. We can leave the personal BS out of it. Somehow, you just can't deal w/that. It's not good enough for us to both voice our opinions. You voice your opinion and insult me.

I don't have an issue with your opinions. Or anyone's opinions. I don't even have an issue if those opinions are based on zero or circumstantial evidence.

The only issue I have is the hypocrisy of doing the things you ask others not to do (you even did it in your reply to me). And I can't believe you haven't figured that out yet.

I have a friend who is a big Seahawks fan. He says the Seahawks are interested in David. He monkeys on his message boards just like us.

I think I get what you are saying. When you watch him play there's just something about him kind of hard to define. The more I thought about it I think it might be that he's one of those players who fits between 2 positions: TE and WR

He's got the height, vertical, and wingspan you like in both those positions. He's faster than your average TE, but too slow to be a WR. He's pretty reliable in terms of being where he needs to be, but his hands are just inconsistent enough to make throwing to him a bit of a gamble.

Or let's just face it, the guy is easy to tackle. Its not for lack of trying. It's just he's not so fast and he has that thin waist which makes it easier to wrap up around.


In terms of his reported negative attitude... who knows. For me, given how the team was handled last year, I actually expect a number of players to have some degree of a bad attitude. It's kind of a byproduct of a disorganized, undisciplined team so I take that kind of talk with a grain of salt.

I think he fits well there.

Realistically I wouldn't be angry with a conditional 3rd round pick that could become a 2nd. Similar to what happened with Duke last year.

You would be okay with that because it’d be a complete overpay by the team acquiring him.

I wouldn't trade him for less honestly. If we can't get at least that, we should keep him.

Agreed. He has more value to the team than most draft picks at this point.

Well you certainly don't ignore me when you want to question a post or have a dig at me.... seems you ignore me if I ask a perfectly reasonable question and seek clarification like I did above....

I think every man and his brother understands Device was insinuating you have an extremely negative viewpoint on Baker and if a situation can be taken a range of different ways, you always seem to take the least flattering and most critical perspective on him.... that's not to say (for example) that the pass protection wasn't better then the run blocking last year and that it is entirely fair to blame Baker for getting himself sacked or running out of clean pockets some last year ... but you seemingly bring up that point up on any possible thread possible and find ways to introduce that talking point.

Lastly you have called me a liar multiple times recently completely uncalled for and unfounded. Once again you feel like it's fine for you to do that, but if I ask a football question and seek clarification on a post you start calling me a stalker etc. Doesn't seem altogether equitable. And I cannot help it if you have ongoing disagreements with others on this board, so using them as cover doesn't sit well either.

I gotta stop buying jerseys

And he's most certainly not a soldier.

I'm a bit confused, Njoku is unhappy but why? I thought Stefanski was well known for using a 2 tight end set? So, Njoku should still get plenty of targets but I guess he feels differently. Ok, if he doesn't want to be here, then trade him for a 3rd rounder and move on. No point in wasting a roster spot with someone who does not want to be here.

I'm still convinced it has nothing to do with Njoku,, I think it's because he changed agents and Rosenhouse is trying to get him a better deal...

Not quite.
Rosenhus is not making anything with his new client.
A new deal and the agent gets his 10%,or however much.This is more about the agent than the player.

It's probably some of both. Why change agents if satisfied?


I think both David and his agent know we don't plan to sign him again, and aren't going to do it at a large figure if we did, and Hooper is going to get most of the TE looks. Add in a 4th round TE selection, time to move one.


I don't blame him, it is just business. He just doesn't fit the template anymore, we don't fit his.

Shake hands and move on.

Can we trade him to the XFL?

Don’t trade him, set the precedent.

You sign to play in Cleveland, you come to play. A precedent is worth the 5th round pick.

Yjat sounds excessive for him. Jump on it if it happens. So we are looking for someone who will way overpay. Apparently Rosenhaus (sp.?) wants a payday for them. I would see a respectable offer as OK; just can't imagine a premium like this. Not sure I would be too concerned about his over performance bumping up the pick. I don't see that he has the package to realize that.
Or he can sit as much as he wants this year. He is used to being in the doghouse. With the virus factor, he is a dandy backup already in place. Just don't want him and his agent to blow things up because he wants to leave.

That sounds great. I am just not sure how much he is going to play. Hooper has the position locked. I have a feeling Harrison Bryant is going to get plenty of work as the 2nd TE.

If David catches 1.5 balls a game on 3 targets a game he will be lucky. When you are a receiver, you don't want to just be running wind sprints all game long.

I think I'd be ok taking a 4th/conditional 3rd for him. A coach/GM could fall in love with his measurables and that he hasn't totally flamed out. Give him a bunch of targets to go with the contract-year motivation, and he could put together a big season.

One never knows, but I doubt any 3rd rounder. Maybe a 5th, conditional 4th.

I rewatched the Atlanta v Browns game from 2018. Man Hooper was a nightmare for our D. He had like 11 catches and a TD. I hope he plays as well for us as he did against us.

You can never have too many good players.

There's no reason to trade Njoku.

Bingo. What if Hooper gets hurt and we are down to our rookie tight end and a bunch of no names? Then we are going to be pissed we have a fifth round pick instead of Njoku.

I think Njoku is worth keeping if only for passing down targets inside the 10 yard line. He could end up the season with only 12-15 receptions, but it would be a good year if 5-6 were TDs.

What does one statement have to do with the other?

The guy has 9 TD catches in his career. Now we are looking for 6 this season?

I just don't think he is all that good. I'd like to see Steven Carlson play over him.

I want to see more.

I just think Njoku's physical skills create mismatches in the redzone, especially with end zone targets. At the very least, the defense has to account for him which might open things up for Hooper, Landry, Beckham, et al in passing situations or for play-action runs by Chubb or Hunt.

Hooper is a very good route runner and has good hands. He had a lot of chemistry with Ryan, which he needs to develop with Baker. IMO he’s a great pickup