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McConnell: No recovery bill without lawsuit protections for 'everyone related to the coronavirus'
By Manu Raju, Haley Byrd and Ali Zaslav, CNN
Updated 8:45 PM ET, Mon July 13, 2020
Pelosi defends her initial COVID-19 response

A new plan under development by the White House and Senate Republicans to deal with the fallout from the coronavirus pandemic is expected to include financial incentives to push schools to reopen while also shielding health care workers and companies against lawsuits, Republicans said Monday, a move that will spur a fight with Democrats.

Senate GOP leaders and senior administration officials have been privately trading proposals and exchanging plans before formally introducing a Republican proposal as soon as next week, with just three weeks before Congress adjourns for its summer recess. The measure, expected to cost around $1.3 trillion, would amount to the GOP's latest response to the crisis -- after roundly dismissing House Democrats' $3 trillion-plus plan that passed their chamber two months ago.
But to get to Trump's desk, it would require the two parties in both chambers to resolve major differences -- over the size and scope of the plan as well as the details in it -- in the heat of an election year, meaning many are skeptical a deal can be reached with the number of days dwindling before the August recess.
"We're obviously out of session this week, but when my members come back next week we'll start socializing it with them, begin to discuss it with the Democrats and start the legislative process," Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell said in Corbin, Kentucky, on Monday. "I think you can anticipate this coming to a head sometime within the next three weeks, beginning next week."


The GOP measure, which is actively being discussed by McConnell, White House officials, Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin and key Senate GOP chairmen, is expected to provide aid to businesses, hospitals and schools in an effort to jumpstart the economy with millions still out of work. But even before it's introduced, it is already prompted an outcry from Democrats, who contend the measure is far smaller in scope than what's needed and is expected to include measures their party won't accept.
On Monday, McConnell reiterated his call for lawsuit protections for "everyone related to the coronavirus" -- whether it's doctors, nurses, businesses, K-12 schools and colleges -- covering the period from December 2019 to December 2024.
Prospects slim for new recovery package as Dems scoff at emerging Senate GOP proposal
Prospects slim for new recovery package as Dems scoff at emerging Senate GOP proposal
"It must have, must, no bill will pass the Senate without, liability protection for everyone related to the coronavirus," McConnell told Kentucky reporters. "Nobody should have to face an epidemic of lawsuits on the heels of the pandemic that we already have related to the coronavirus."
Democratic leaders have already suggested such a plan is a sticking point.
"Let's hear what everybody has to say," House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said last week. "But don't say, 'You all have to go back to work even if it isn't safe. And by the way, we are removing all responsibility from the employer.' I mean, that is just -- no."
Pelosi instead called for a regulation under the federal Occupational Safety and Health Administration aimed at protecting workers at risk of exposure from the virus, an idea that has previously been rejected by Republicans.
And as the White House has demanded schools reopen in the fall, Republicans are discussing making new federal aid contingent on steps school districts are taking to reopen. GOP sources said Monday that the language was still being sorted out, and the details weren't final on how that would work. But they are looking at a range of possibilities, including withholding money for schools that remain closed.
"As I said, I think the President would be willing to consider additional funds if all these schools reopen," White House economic adviser Larry Kudlow told Fox News on Monday.
Democrats have pushed back at the idea.
"You just have to randomly open schools and take your chances or you're not going to get any state aid? I mean that's an absolutely no," Washington Sen. Patty Murray, the top Democrat on the Senate Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee told CNN last week.
Plus the two sides are far apart about how much stimulus is actually needed for the economy.
Pelosi said last week that the next stimulus package should include at least $1 trillion dollars for state and local governments and another trillion for extending unemployment insurance provisions and another round of direct payments to individuals, as well as more funding for testing. McConnell has rejected a $3 trillion price tag as far in excess of what his party is willing to get behind.
"We must extend the unemployment insurance," Pelosi said over the weekend. "It will expire at the end of July. And then there are direct payments to people so that we have $6,000 for a family of five. People are desperately in need it."
Republicans have been wary of extending the $600 unemployment insurance provision, warning that the additional money could be a disincentive for people seeking work.
Republican Sen. Tim Scott of South Carolina reiterated his opposition to the extension on Monday.
"I wasn't for it last time. I'm not for it this time," he said of the enhanced jobless benefits.
When asked about it last month, House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy said he doesn't think "it's productive to extend the added money from the federal government."
Top Republicans have expressed some openness to more direct payments, although with stricter limits on who will receive them.
"Going back to school presents the biggest risk for the spread of the coronavirus," Pelosi said on CNN's "State of the Union" Sunday of the administration's push to reopen schools.


https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/13/politics/covid-aid-congress-mitch-mcconnell/index.html

j/c:

I have a few thoughts on this. And I am a person whose two children got the virus. My daughter got it while bidding a job for work [two of the guys later informed her that they had the virus] and she gave it to my son because they had dinner at her house together. At least that is what we believe because one never knows for sure.


--I blame Trump to a degree. Not as much as many of the folks on here, because they blame Trump for everything and are very biased in their thinking. However, he deserves blame. I started one of these Covid threads and blamed him in my first post. I remember Eve asking what he should have done differently. I tried to explain, but I wasn't all that educated at the time. None of us were. Well, maybe Jester was.

--I blame the Republican governors more than Trump. They caved in and opened up much too early. It was about economics and I get that. I really do. But, we were making big-time progress in combating the virus because of the restrictions. And they moved away from them out of greed. Perhaps one can argue for economic survival? I don't know.

--I think most of the blame goes to the selfish nature of our citizens. Many of us were sharing stories of people not wearing masks, not walking down the right way of the aisles in stores, heading to beaches, bars, parks, etc. We all saw the idiots w/guns talking about their rights. We all saw the idiots congregating and trying to compare the restrictions to Nazi Germany. Selfish, ignorant human beings. This group draws most of my ire because I knew Trump and politicians were full of s...! I paid attention to what the experts were saying. I was smart enough to know that erring on the side of caution is a wiser choice than the alternative. I read this board and saw posts from guys who actually have some intelligence and it was evident that we all knew what was going on. The key is not being selfish. Care more about other human beings than you do about fulfilling your own selfish desires.

In summation, while there is plenty of blame to go around and I get that it is an election year...........I think the biggest problem we had in America was caused by the selfish acts of its citizens.

And to take it step further, I see that occurring daily in so many other of life's endeavors. Me instead of we.

I can't find fault with anything I just read.

I'm a fairly level citizen. I follow the rules of the road, cover my mouth when I cough/sneeze, and use the commonly-accepted rules of etiquette. We are now being asked to do 2 or 3 extra little things because the basic principles of citizenship require it... and we have a sizable segment of the population who slept through both biology and civics class who are directly impacting the health of our entire nation. Ignorant, and willful.

Last week, I was in a megamart, grabbing a handful of items we missed on our 2-week grocery list. Masked up, I was making haste. Knew what I needed, knew where they were, plotted out the most efficient route. I stopped in the pasta section, because our store had some products that were previously sold out. Called the wife. Gave her the new info- whatcha want me to bring home?

Dude, unmasked, walked up within 2 ft of me, leaned over in front of my face, and reached for a box of something that was on the opposite side of me from his location. Tried to reach right past me. Rude, under even normal circumstances.

Man, I was hot.
I stepped back dramatically, dropped a truckload of bass into my voice and said:

"DUDE... STEP OFF- AND GIVE ME MY SIX."

Really, really loud.
The kind of loud that makes people 20 ft away turn and look.

Behavior like that just isn't me.
Not in normal times.

I resumed my call with My Wife. Apologized for the interruption. As she was telling me what pasta to drop in the cart, another shopper in our aisle pushed her cart past me. She locked eyes on me, and nodded her head slowly.

I saw her eyes clearly... because she too- was masked.

j/c...

Excellent anecdotal evidence of what I was trying to communicate.

Hopefully, your neck of the woods will become more proactive in the department of wearing a mask. We live on the border of two counties here in SC. Both have made wearing a mask mandatory. It's somewhat sad that we have to pass laws in order to get people to do the right thing, but that's just the way it is.

Sometimes I think we have the exact govt we deserve.

j\c
COUMO ...Responsible for thousands of deaths in retirement homes, said that it was healthy that the looters and rioters to tear down statues thus encouraging more covid spreading protestors to march and destroy also allowing criminals by droves out of jail , no bail for any crime all to cause more of the spread of covid
Not to mention GOV Murphy the same M.O. GOV WOLF causeing the death of ret. home people and not problem with covid spreading looters and protesters,Gov WHITNER actually leading the covid spreading protesters'

All dem governors but some hear just blame the REPUB. Govs. sheesh.
Im not saying that some repubs didnt drop the ball on our fight against covid but lets have a little fairness .

You are aware that the first group of Americans who started protesting and couldn’t stay in the house are you MAGA hatters, correct?

Storming freaking government buildings, AS USUAL, whining about not being able to get a hair cut or nails painted.

“Big government wont let me go to the beach WHHAAAAAAAAA”

Yea, let’s be fair, Riley.

By the way can any of you guys can tell me what the Insane Pelosi or Schumer , or any major dem office holder has done to help America and our people through this awful time accept blatantly play politics with this horrible pandemic.

J\C

j/c

Let's stop pretending that Trump isn't a lot of the problem here. Is some of the fault the governors? Yes it is. But let's be honest here. That was the play of the White House from the beginning. When has there ever been a declared national emergency where the federal government dois not have a plan of action? Never.

Here's what happened. Trump gave them no plan. Said he would leave everything up to them. As such, guidelines varied from state to state with no plan in place. What was Trump's response? "I take no responsibility".

All the while applying pressure on governors to open things up. Just like he and Devos are doing in pushing for schools to open up now. So he plays the puppet master while taking zero accountability.

He knows damned well in states where he is popular that their governors must follow along with him or their political futures are done. It's pure manipulation as he lies to the people and causes the death count to rise.

And for anyone still trying to make excuses that he isn't sowing division in the midst of a pandemic, just yesterday he shared a Tweet which claimed the virus is a hoax. He feeds the narrative that is once again stirring division and goes against the medical experts and common sense.

When he's stoking the fire, don't sit there and claim he isn't the arsonist.

Trump retweets game show host Chuck Woolery’s baseless claim that ‘everyone is lying’ about coronavirus

President Donald Trump retweeted a post by game show host Chuck Woolery that baselessly claimed “everyone is lying” about the coronavirus pandemic in a possible effort to thwart Trump’s reelection by harming the economy.

The conservative Woolery, who hosted shows such as “Love Connection,” wrote in his Twitter post on Sunday evening, “The most outrageous lies are the ones about Covid 19.”

“Everyone is lying. The CDC [federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention], Media, Democrats, our Doctors, not all but most, that we are told to trust,” Woolery wrote.

“I think it’s all about the election and keeping the economy from coming back, which is about the election. I’m sick of it,” he added.

Woolery did not cite any evidence for his claim, or detail any purported “lies” by the targets of his tweet that the president reposted.

Soon after Trump shared the post, the president retweeted another comment by Woolery about the coronavirus outbreak in the United States.

“There is so much evidence, yes scientific evidence, that schools should open this fall. It’s worldwide and it’s overwhelming. BUT NO,” wrote Woolery, whose game show resume also includes acting as the first host of “Wheel of Fortune,” and hosting “Scrabble,” “Greed” and “Lingo.”

Woolery’s comments and Trump’s rebroadcast of them were harshly criticized by a number of people, including Sen. Bernie Sanders, the Vermont independent who sought the Democratic presidential nomination this year.

“The fact that our ‘very stable genius’ president prefers to be briefed about the pandemic by a game show host on Twitter instead of scientists and doctors tells you everything you need to know about how clueless and pathetic the Trump administration is,” Sanders wrote. “Trump must be defeated.”

The journalist Kurt Eichenwald wrote: “Let’s see. A game show host, a politician, someone on social media, a guy on Fox News, or a person trained in epidemiology and infectious disease. Huh. You’re right. Hard to know which one of those to trust about issues involving epidemiology and infectious disease.”

White House spokeswoman Kayleigh McEnany, when asked about Trump’s retweet, told reporters, that while Trumo has confidence in the CDC, “the president expressed his displeasure with the CDC, some rogue individuals leaking guidelines prematurely.”

“He believes that misleads the American public when they’re planning materials that are not in their fullest and best forms,” McEnany said. “But the notion of the tweet was to point out the fact that when we use science, we have to use it in a way that’s not political.”

Trump’s retweets came as the United States hit new records for coronavirus cases as the virus spread in the South and West, with new cases of Covid-19 topping or approaching 60,000 additional diagnoses each day for the past week.

On Sunday, Florida reported 15,299 new cases of Covid-19 in a single day, shattering New York state’s individual state daily record by more than 3,000 cases.

Trump’s implicit endorsement of Woolery’s comments also came as officials in the Trump administration sought to discredit Dr. Anthony Fauci, the top federal infectious disease official. He has continued to issue stark warnings about the risks of reopening the country amid the pandemic.

On Monday, top executives at the Association of American Medical Colleges issued a statement saying the group “is extremely concerned and alarmed by efforts to discredit Anthony Fauci.”

“Dr. Fauci has been an independent and outspoken voice for truth as the nation has struggled to fight the coronavirus pandemic,” wrote AAMC President Dr. David Skorton, and chief scientific officer Dr. Ross McKinney.

“As we are seeing from the surge in COVID-19 cases in areas that have reopened, science and facts — not wishful thinking or politics — must guide America’s response to this pandemic,” Skorton and McKinney said.

Earlier Sunday, U.S. Education Department Secretary Betsy DeVos argued for the Trump administration’s push to reopen schools in the fall even as the pandemic continues to rage.

“School leaders across the country need to be making plans” to have students in the classroom, DeVos said on CNN’s “State of the Union.”

“There will be exceptions to the rule, but the rule should be kids go back to school this fall,” she said.

On Monday, Dr. Mike Ryan, executive director of the World Health Organization’s health emergencies program, warned against making the decision to reopen schools “yet another political football in this game.”

“If we suppress the virus in our society, in our communities, then our schools can open safely,” Ryan said.

Trump on Sunday night also retweeted a third Twitter post from Woolery, who was replying to a Trump supporter who criticized Democrats.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/13/coronavi...on-twitter.html

This is what the nation's supposed leader is spreading to his faithful followers. Stop pretending the problem doesn't start at the top and that dividing our nation hasn't been his entire goal from day one.

And some wonder why people won't wear masks.

I guess you didnt read my WHOLE post that I also accused the repubs of dropping the ball but as usual your blind hate took over. triggered ....

i read your post, and no where in there did it address the first wave of protesters.

they arent republicans. they are conservatives.

Debatable (to put it lightly).


IMO

maybe.

there seems to definitely be a mixed group of those on the right, and their messaging gets crossed over to the point of contention.

Republicans, conservatives, and the far right, aka trump supporters.

and obviously, my side: Dems, liberals.....Bernie bros aka far left!!!

No doubt about that. It also doesn't help that Republicans (at one point) were, more or less, also conservatives. That's not the case today (again IMO).

j/c

Lindsey Graham: "We don't have a Dr. Fauci problem"

Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) defended Anthony Fauci at a press conference Tuesday in the wake of attempts by anonymous Trump administration officials to undermine the nation's top infectious diseases expert.

What he's saying: "We don't have a Dr. Fauci problem. We need to be focusing on doing things that get us to where we need to go. So, I have all the respect in the world for Dr. Fauci."

"I think any effort to undermine him is not going to be productive, quite frankly," Graham added.

Why it matters: Fauci, one of the most trusted public health experts in the country, has been targeted by Trump's allies due to his frank assessments about the failures of the U.S. response to the coronavirus — which often contradict President Trump and other top officials' more sunny outlooks.

Over the weekend, a number of media outlets received a statement from an unnamed White House official that listed the times Fauci was "wrong on things" in the pandemic's early days.

But as the Washington Post's Aaron Blake points out, many of the quotes the official cited omitted Fauci's caveats and ignored the fact that Trump himself had parroted some of the same talking points.

On Monday, White House press secretary Kayleigh McEnany denied that the White House released "opposition research" on Fauci and claimed that he and Trump "have always had a very good working relationship." Fauci has said he has not been asked to brief the president in at least two months.

https://www.axios.com/fauci-graham-trump...-mV297w-a4SIXsk

I heard that they were actually lib protesters dressed as conservatives at those rallys that you speak of...lmao

It couldn't be. Liberals don't own guns, remember?

Like your libs in Seattle ....REMEMBER!!!!!so quit lying

They have told the truth about the virus and its spread. They have told the American people to wear a mask and do the right thing. They have worn masks to set the example.

Anything else you wanted to know?

Yeah like the insane leader of your party Pelosi telling people to come to China town and party cause its safe and no disease here encourage all the covid spreading protesters pffft

Is there anything else you want to know ?

They own them. They just don't know how to use them.

They just drive up and down the street and shoot people.


Obviously I am just kidding. I just don't think this pandemic is something that could be planned for. Individual state governments could have purchased ventilators with federal assistance well before this. They didn't. I guess they expected the federal government to have several million sitting in a warehouse. Do that, look at this waste of money. 2 million ventilators not being used.

It's all about politics. It has nothing to do with public health. I am a firm believer that no matter what the President did, it would have been the wrong move, and I am not really pointing fingers. Had President Obama been in charge, he would have screwed it up in the minds of many.


It's all about politics. If the President isn't your person, they can't do anything right.

President Regan was the last President that generally go passing grades from most people. Most Presidents don't get that in office. History has a kinder edge once people are able to sit back, think about it and reflect.
Think about President George W. He was in what a 1st grade class talking to students. He received some of the worst news ever delivered to a President, but it was inconclusive. With the first crash, it could have just been a accident. A horrible accident no doubt, but things were fluid. That doesn't require presidential action at that point, but it could have been a good chance. He didn't need to jump up immediately and leave the room. Give me more information.

He got butchered for that, but now that years have gone by most realize he handled it as well as possible, in the moment.

He was made out to look dumbfounded, but then I think all of us were. I am sure FDR looked a bit dumbfound when he got word the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor that Sunday morning.

He has called for the left to get armed on a few occasions I wish he would explain those remarks , even tho, as you say, its pretty clear that they have guns and are using them in a sad way especially in the dem run cities.

You probably really like the faction of black vets telling blacks to arm themselves and showing up to counter the whites toting guns.

j/c...

Should be put in the "non-political" thread, too.

This is why herd immunity is such a terrible idea.

Herd immunity can’t be reached anyway. The studies are showing only 2-4 months of antibody protection.

Then there are those of us who are stuck in the middle when the

Why would I like any faction of people looking to shoot one another? I disagree with any gun violence do you?

Oh stop it. You get down with western movies just like me bro. Chill.

You got me on that one Swish ...kudos lol

So my wife was informed that a production worker at her work tested positive this morning. They shut down overnight and cleaned the work area. That person has no contact with the area she is in but we don't know if anyone exposed to them that she does have contact with (middleman) will test positive now... On the 2 week watch for symptoms and on the last day of a week long visit from our grandkids. smfh

Your not being honest, the use of cloth masks has "Very little" to do with it. The Reason other countries are able to be in better shape then us is because:

1. They follow Social Distancing PERIOD. NO ONE gets within 6 ft of anyone at any time PERIOD. We do NOT do that here in the US...just go to your local Walmart and watch these morons with their so called "invincible mask" just crowd each other in an iselway.

2. They wash their hands very regulary were talking like 15-20 times per day they either wash hands or use hand sanitizer...again the majority in the US is NOT doing this.

I m over the mask things. Im tired of telling people who believe the mask thing is gospel.

Dr. Benjamin Cowling the Co-Director for the World Health Organization Collaborating Center for Infectious Disease Epidemiology and Control said and I quote:



Mask wearing and other things are NOT working in the US because people are NOT following Social Distancing Guidelines and proper hand washing. I see these morons in stores all the time, they will just crowd you and act like life is like normal all because they have a ******* mask on!

I don't wear masks, but you know what? I stay away from people, I won't even go down an isle someone in in, and if someone comes I leave, I stay away from people. I maintain Social Distance & hand washing at all times. This is why I have not gotten sick, A mask has nothing to do with it.

There has been studies done(I linked earlier), you would need 7-8 handkerchief layers to make mask even marginally effective(6%) good luck breathing in that thing. Most of these cloth masks don't really do anything to protect you, they filter very little aerosol or mucas particles, there is a reason hospitals don't use cloth masks...because they are useless. We learned cloth masks were useless back in the Spanish Flu of 1918 we mandated everyone wear cloth masks, and it made no difference, this is why hospitals abandoned their use, but this is not mentioned or talked to by the liberal left media.

give me an N95 Mask with a 3M logo on it, i'll wear that SOB every where I go, but there are far too many experts and real science studies dating back as far as 1918 that cloth masks are useless. If cloth masks were not useless hospitals would be using them to prevent spread in absence of other methods.

If people in the US would just follow Social Distancing and proper hand washing like we have been told we would have been out of this mess already but people just won't listen.

One one side we have th pro-maskers who think they cna put on a mask and do whatever the **** they want, see the protests and standing shoulder to shoulder in seas of people and ignoring social distancing out in stores. The mjority of mask wearers don't follow social distancing so the mask makes things worse by giving people a false sense of security.

On the other side we have the anti-maskers who don't follow social distancing either and act like morons at the stores crowding people, and acted like idiots at the re-open America protests by ignoring social distancing.

If more people were in the "Middle" like myself that:

Follows Social Distancing
Don't wear a Masks
Practice Proper Hygene
Use drive up Grocery Service
Order and have items delivered to your house
Stay out of brick and mortar stores
Stay away from large gatherings

We would have been done with this already.

Most of my masks have a pocket for my filters 5 layers of filter plus 2 or 3 layers of cloth.

Now why is covid so bad in this country?

1. Idiots who refuse to wear masks
2. Idiots who refuse to social distance.
3. Idiots who have out in large crowds.
4. Idiots who go to covid parties
5. Idiots who never was their hands
6. Idiots who don't use hand sanitizer.
7. Idiots who wear their mask like this

8. Worse yet Idiots who wear their mask like this

9. Idiots who think this is social distancing

10 Idiots

See the main problem here.

j/c...

I'd switch #1 and #2 (kinda along teh same lines as what KoB is saying.

But that's kinda moot, because groups 1-10 of idiots that you laid out have a lot of overlap to them. I'd be willing to bet that someone who is too cool for a mask is also probably not practicing social distancing, not washing hands or trying to stay away from crowds, etc.

j/c...

Let me ask you Peen, does telling the entire nation "It will just disappear" sound rational? How about "We have 15 cases and soon it will be down to zero" sound like leadership to you? How about refusing to wear a mask in public look in regards to setting an example to the nation seem to you?

Now I keep hearing people talk about "leaving it up to the states". Do you really think that a president advocating his responsibility to set the proper tone and guidelines to the nation while outright stating "I take no responsibility" is what you would describe as leadership?

How about when the CDC set reasonable guidelines for reopening the states and Trump instantly went into action to undermine those same guidelines by pressuring states to open up immediately?

How about demanding the entire nation open up schools right away in the midst of an even worsening virus spike than we had when the country first shut down?

I'm asking you to take a rational look at his actions and hold him responsible for the obvious falsehoods and the undermining of using the slightest measure if common sense during this national emergency.

There was a time when we had a president who had a plaque on his desk saying "The buck stops here". Our nation has always looked for the president to lead in a time of crisis. This was a total collapse and failure of that. A lot of Republicans are slowly stepping up to the plate and admitting that. The evidence is too overwhelming not to at this point.