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Originally Posted By: Rishuz
Did a curbside pickup for lunch yesterday from a sandwich shop near the house. The staff that brought it out had the mask pulled down off her nose. Mouth was covered but nose wasn't. I reheated my sandwiches when I got home.
something similar happened to me last week ... I went to grab food for my GRANDMOTHER (and even expressed so much) and they employee at Wegmans was wearing the mask irresponsibly.

I’m young enough to “probably” not be affected much, but I got angry.


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Phoenix mayor: Abrazo hospitals have ‘run out of morgue beds’

https://www.azmirror.com/blog/covid-19-phoenix-mayor-abrazo-hospitals-have-run-out-of-morgue-beds/

Arizona county requests refrigerated trucks as morgues hit 97 percent capacity during pandemic

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For first time, U.S. records more than 70,000 new coronavirus cases in single day

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Totally a hoax...


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From your first link:

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In an appearance on MSNBC Friday morning, Gallego said Abrazo Health, which operates seven hospitals across the metro Phoenix area, “has run out of morgue beds.”

“Maricopa County […] just announced that they are going to be getting refrigerated trucks because the Abrazo Health care system has run out of morgue beds,” Gallego said.

But Abrazo Health spokesman Keith Jones said in a statement that the hospital system has not run out of morgue space. It has, however, requested “refrigerated storage” as part of the state urging hospital systems to enact “crisis care” standards.

“Abrazo hospitals currently have adequate morgue space,” Jones said. “Abrazo has taken a proactive approach by ordering refrigerated storage in the event it may be needed during a surge of COVID patients. At this point it is not needed.”


And: “Our planners at Unified Command are moving toward acquiring coolers and staffing because OME is currently near capacity for body storage,” Blyler said. “This is a situation that occurs almost every summer and is further complicated by the current pandemic.”

Not trying to down play anything here, just showing parts of the article. It's a situation that happens almost every summer.

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Thanks for pointing out a balanced comment. Covid is making it worse.


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Yes, it is. The head line made it sound much worse.






And, just found out 3 minutes ago some good friends of ours, and their 3 kids were contacted. Someone they had been around last Monday tested positive, so they are in quarantine as of now. Although, the doctor said for only 10 days. Not sure why just 10.

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Only venturing a guess here but maybe they will be tested and those results will be in within that ten day window. At least I would hope they'll be tested. Otherwise I have no idea of what purpose a ten day window would serve.

I wish them the very best.


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Yes, it is. The head line made it sound much worse.






And, just found out 3 minutes ago some good friends of ours, and their 3 kids were contacted. Someone they had been around last Monday tested positive, so they are in quarantine as of now. Although, the doctor said for only 10 days. Not sure why just 10.


Probably because by the time they were notified multiple days had gone by since their contact with the positive cases. So if four days had already passed another 10 would suffice.


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Thanks for the information. Many of us aren't fully versed on how this all works.


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Yes, it is. The head line made it sound much worse.






And, just found out 3 minutes ago some good friends of ours, and their 3 kids were contacted. Someone they had been around last Monday tested positive, so they are in quarantine as of now. Although, the doctor said for only 10 days. Not sure why just 10.


Probably because by the time they were notified multiple days had gone by since their contact with the positive cases. So if four days had already passed another 10 would suffice.


You're probably right. I didn't think of that.

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I went to Highland Heights Fitworks today (in Cuyahoga county), only about half the people inside working out were wearing masks.

Went to get a pizza today in Euclid, the girl at the counter (note: she was pretty hot!) was not wearing a mask.

Went to Marc's afterwards and everyone was wearing a mask.

Masks are not that bad to wear after you get used to them, which takes about a half-hour. We wear them 10+ hours a day at my place of employment.

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Here are today's Ohio coronavirus numbers:
2,780 confirmed deaths: 4 new, way down from 27 yesterday
3,036 total deaths: 256 probables
60,328 confirmed cases: 1,328 new cases, down from a record 1,494 yesterday
64,214 total cases: 3,886 probables

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Other breakdowns:
928 current hospitalizations (same as yesterday)
299 in ICU (up from 289 yesterday)
155 on ventilators (up from 151 yesterday)
979,149 total tests administered - 23,452 new; 23,863 new yesterday
Positivity rate 6.9% (on July 9); 7-day moving average 5.9%

https://twitter.com/karenkasler/status/1282017153009561604
https://twitter.com/karenkasler/status/1282018445870194688

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and nearly all experts recommend masks and say it shouldn’t be political or controversial, and with mask mandates in four surrounding states and a mask mandate in hotspot Franklin County, this is planned at the Ohio Statehouse a week from today, per @Tylerjoelb


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Yeah I'm pretty good parent. My kid is a real estate agent
So I hope he got my work ethic and drive
I just can't believe this female had nothing else on her mind at that time other than why I wasn't wearing a mask
And that I potentially wasnt 6 ft away from her.

What I find dangerous more so than the CO 19 is the paranoia it has instilled in people
How it's divided a already divided nation.

The media isn't helping matters
If I was a jerk so be it
I spoke my mind just as she was permitted to.
You get horns when you poke the bull.

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The bull needs to respect the advice of medical professionals and wear a mask.

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A Brutal Heat Wave Is About to Scorch Many Parts of the Country for Weeks

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/brutal-heat-wave-scorch-many-202200898.html

just a remember to the board that Rona dont give a damn how hot it is outside.


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I agree. I made a reply to the guy yesterday morning, but the post was taken down. A good thing. I suppose one of the benefits of being a long time board member who hasn't caused much trouble.

He just ticked me off. His smug attitude towards masking and cussing and getting in a woman's face.

I just don't deal well with that.


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This gentleman who lives near here died from COVID on July 4th. He was 37. This is not a hoax. The article below is interesting reading, but I can't post it due to the profanities. Check out his very last Fb post in that article.




https://www.truthorfiction.com/richard-rose-dies-of-covid-19-after-repeated-covid-denier-posts/


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A plasma shot could prevent coronavirus. But feds and makers won't act, scientists say

https://news.yahoo.com/plasma-shot-could-prevent-coronavirus-130023057.html

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Originally Posted By: 3rd_and_20
A plasma shot could prevent coronavirus. But feds and makers won't act, scientists say

https://news.yahoo.com/plasma-shot-could-prevent-coronavirus-130023057.html


We’ll have to rely on other countries developing this. Our for profit system has no room for keeping people healthy. There’s no money in a healthy populace.


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A plasma shot could prevent coronavirus. But feds and makers won't act, scientists say

https://news.yahoo.com/plasma-shot-could-prevent-coronavirus-130023057.html


We’ll have to rely on other countries developing this. Our for profit system has no room for keeping people healthy. There’s no money in a healthy populace.


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A plasma shot could prevent coronavirus. But feds and makers won't act, scientists say

https://news.yahoo.com/plasma-shot-could-prevent-coronavirus-130023057.html


We’ll have to rely on other countries developing this. Our for profit system has no room for keeping people healthy. There’s no money in a healthy populace.



Let me start by saying that I don't know what the dynamics are between these scientists, the government and Pharma. I don't know who is acting or not acting but I know this much. If Pharma developed this, it would be quite lucrative.

Right now we are using this therapy (convalescent plasma) as treatment for the sickest of the sick.

At this point we have to use natural plasma. Meaning that a person needs to become sick with Covid, recover, then donate their blood. That blood has to be tested to show that they have developed enough antibodies to be helpful. This puts that plasma on very short supply. So we reserve it for the very sick to try to prevent deaths.

These scientist talk about converting this convalescent plasma into an intramuscular shot. We do this already with a few infections. Hepatitis A, Varicella (chicken pox - very important for pregnant women who get exposed) and even small pox. Hepatitis A and chicken pox are easy to come by because so many people have antibodies. Small pox is different so if a patient needs it the doctor has to call the CDC, there is a conference call with several hundred people on it and the decision is made on whether or not to release the plasma.

So again, getting convalescent plasma is not as easy as it sounds and coronavirus antibodies are in short supply. My hospital (a midsize hospital - ~500 beds) struggles to even get convalescent plasma for patients who are rapidly progressing towards death.

To bring things full circle, the cost of 1 dose (after it was developed) would probably run between $30,000 and $50,000 per dose. If 10% of the $329 millions Americans get it (3 million) at $30,000, that is what $9 trillion? That isn't even counting Europe or the rest of the world.

So money isn't the issue.
It's a great concept but fact is, coronavirus antibodies are not readily available to manufacture such a product.
Additionally, it won't provide lifelong protection. Likely somewhere between 6 months and 2 years







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We have a guy who is an Infectious Disease doctor on this board and everyone just ignored him. LOL

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Fairfield county made level red, so now Walmart and Kroger have made mask mandatory to enter.


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Well, my son called and he tested positive. He's been feeling weak, short of breath with generalized body aching and cold symptoms for the past week. With a lot of urging from us he was tested on Thursday and got the results yesterday. They gave no recommendations for further action with the results. He said the symptoms haven't worsened in the past few days, so we're going to call our pcp in the morning. He has underlying conditions of asthma and ulcerative colitis.

We haven't had physical contact with him for 3 weeks, though his fiancee came to visit 10 days ago, before he had symptoms. She's asymptomatic, and they won't test her.

We'd be mighty grateful for some prayers his way.

2020 is just proving to be an awful year so far.


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I will pray for your son and your family.

Your son's story sounds very similar to what my two children experienced. Hang in there, man. They ended up being fine. On Father's Day, we did a group text and I was a bit emotional and said I had prayed that if any of us got it, I was hoping it would be me. They chided me and said that it was better they got it due to their age.

My message is that this sucks for your family, but chances are that it will all work out. The recommendations they gave your son are exactly what my kids heard. They were both okay in a couple of weeks.

Hang in there. I know it sucks, but chances are that it's going to be fine. One question: Is he in good health otherwise? He doesn't have any bad preexisting conditions, does he?

I talked too much. I'll pray for all of you.

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Wishing a speedy recovery for your son. Thankfully, the symptoms have not worsened.

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Here are today's Ohio coronavirus numbers:
2,801 confirmed deaths: 21 new, a 425% increase over 4 yesterday
3,058 total deaths: 257 probables
61,669 confirmed cases: 1,341 new cases, up from 1,328 yesterday
65,592 total cases: 3,923 probables

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Other breakdowns:
954 current hospitalizations (up from 928 yesterday)
289 in ICU (down from 299 yesterday)
154 on ventilators (down from 155 yesterday)
1,002,463 total tests administered: 23,314 new; 23,452 new yesterday
Positivity rate 6.7% (on July 10); 7-day moving average 6%

https://twitter.com/karenkasler/status/1282388562881720321

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Sorry to hear this, but more than happy to pray over this for you and for each involved. Blessings, and strength, and healing. keep your faith strong. Praying all will be well.


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Alright guys i'll finally chime in here.

All of the mainstream media articles are talking about how we broke a new record number of cases each day and how this guy refused to wear a mask and died. These articles provide little to no value at this stage of the pandemic.

We need to be looking at the data. We need understand what data to look at to beat this thing. We need to be looking at normalized data that examines the most meaningful ratios of COVID-19.

I don't claim to know what all of those are but I know that we really need to understand the data behind COVID-19 to respond in the proper way.

We all know cases are spiking wildly. We don't know why deaths are lagging behind cases in a different manner relative to the first wave of the virus.

We need better data visualization to truly understand this and what is going on here.

Is this because the strain of the virus spreading in certain areas is more contagious and less deadly?

Is this because we massively under-reported actual cases of the virus during the initial wave?

Is this because the viral load people are exposed to when wearing a mask is lower than what people were exposed to before a large portion of the population started wearing masks?

Is this because the people getting infected right now are younger and less likely to die?

Is this because the volume of testing has increased overall?

Is it a combination of some or all of the above?


I would love to see a graph that tracks the ratio between the following metrics locked to the top of the page.

Percentage of Positive Tests. Tracking this percentage by region would help us understand hotspots and how virulent the virus really is globally in different areas.

New Deaths Normalized By Population / New Cases Normalized By Population ( Converting this into a percentage might help us track the trending death rate of the virus as it evolves. Tracking this ratio and other similar ratios might help us understand when and if the virus evolves )

Net New Active Cases By Region ( Current Active Cases - Recovered Cases ) - - According to this dashboard the number of net new cases worldwide has decreased. This obviously isn't true for the US but it's still something we all should be following if we are interested in understanding the key trends of the pandemic.

Tracing Coronavirus clusters Type by location

WHERE are the clusters occurring? We know bars and restaurants are hotspots. But what about grocery stores? Gyms? Does EVERYTHING need to close during a new wave? Why can't we create a better heatmap of all the clusters for everyone to monitor?


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I think it is widespread enough that we can't tell where a individual may have contracted the virus. Was it a grocery store? A restaurant? A mailbox handle? Some persons cough? A large beach party?

It does seem that we have found the use of some drugs to at least mitigate some of the worst drains on a persons health. MMR shots look promising. Malaria drugs, now some plasma shots.

I don't know, maybe we are just throwing the kitchen sink at it in the hope of finding the right thing.


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