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Trump is a failure, if you only read liberal news. Him getting all time lows in unemployment was a huge (yuge) success.

We go after Trumpains and their closet supporters. You are turning out be a wonderful Trumpian.

If you are actually calling me a traitor, what qualifies me as being one in your eyes?

Many call conservatives Republicans (and some specifically so). That's bad enough, imo.

I'm hesitant to label conservatives in terms of party. At one time I did say conservative and Republican in the same sentence. Not so much anymore.

I'm neither a Republican nor a Democrat but I certainly lean heavily to the left in terms of social issues and in terms of social equality. I have voted Republican in the past but admit that the vast majority of the time I lean Democrat based on my social beliefs.

But parties change over time. And to some extent Democrats nor Republicans actually represent all of my values. Neither party ever has.

I think it's the same way with the Republican party. The days of Reagan, fiscal responsibility and many of the values they claimed to stand for seem to have been abandoned. There's certainly nothing "fiscally conservative" about the Republican party anymore.

It's the same for both parties in that regard. It's not if they're going to spend the money, but what they're going to spend the money on.

So I'm not so confident that all conservatives still relate themselves to the Republican party anymore.

Only quoting the applicable part of the article but feel free to explore the link

It wasn’t until July 11 that the president was seen wearing one in public when he visited Walter Reed National Military Medical Center, where it is required for everyone to wear a mask.

A Trump supporter in Florida who told ABC News in April that she refused to wear a mask because the president wasn’t wearing one now says she’ll wear a mask after seeing him wear one at Walter Reed.

"If he's decided to wear one then that means that this is getting really serious. I have not worn one yet, but I will be wearing one now," Kimberly Love, from Fort Lauderdale, Florida, said when asked if seeing Trump in a mask swayed her to start wearing one.

https://www.yahoo.com/gma/trump-sends-mi...-200200721.html

When it took over three million cases of the virus and over 135,000 deaths for Trump to wear a mask, that speaks volumes about ineptitude.

He wore a mask because he was visiting a hospital. Most of the time, he's at least 6 feet from everyone. He and his staff are tested daily.

Was he not in a hospital?

Don't bother with him on political topics. He thinks there are Sharia Law zones in the UK.

I would have never dreamed in a million years that you would join in when there around a half-dozen posters ganging up on one poster. I mean...............how many of you need to belittle Erik? He has a right to voice his opinions w/out being attacked.

I don' like the way this is going. I would never support a group that bullies others. NEVER!!!

Alright. Fine. Join up w/ganging up on people.

I'll continue to say that people have the right to freedom of choice when it comes to political and social ideologies. Oppression is not a good thing.

Actually, you gave me a clear path to agree with you. I dont, nor will I.

So, Trump is responsible for the elderly that states like NY, NJ, MN, and other liberals put in nursing homes? People don't wear masks because Trump doesn't? Wow, you are out there. It even amazes me that you think comey and mueller are upstanding people. You obviously have a single news source.

bonefish is as entitled to his position as you are.

Maybe y'all can just accept and respect that you have different opinions w/out getting haughty about it? Then again, maybe not.

j/c:

I think it is a shame that both parties and their supporters have used the virus as a political tool. Both sides are guilty.

I will say that I find it hard to believe people are dumb enough to trust politicians on what to do. I never trusted any of them. I researched and listened to the experts. I saw the facts on how long a vaccine would take and saw the timing of the situation. Spring and the allergies that come w/it. Sneezing, coughing, watery eyes, etc. Not good. I knew, as many others did, to error on the side of caution.

This attempt at making it political [on both sides] is an outright disgrace.

This country has always united during a crisis. And folks, we are facing a crisis right now. Stop pointing your damn fingers at other people and assigning blame and do what the hell you can to fight this freaking virus.

Put others ahead of your own self. I don't care what party you represent or how much you hate the other side.

Stop!

Work together or face the consequences, you silly people.

Cover up of what? Still trying to say collusion was real?

As for crimes, I guess Comey leaking info which was a crime is okay. I guess Hillary destroying subpoenaed evidence is okay. Funny how this only works one way. Plus Stone's charges had nothing to do with the so called collusion, they were process crimes not related to Trump investigation. But don't let facts cloud your mind.

The safety of Americans and the future of our country far outweighs political rhetoric.

Most of us know to rely on our fellow citizens rather than our politicians and only dumb-asses think that supporting one party or another is going to make an actual difference.

We are the people. They are the exploiters. There are no good politicians. They all freaking suck. The less they are involved in my life, the better.

I never said he was not entitled to his opinion. I did suggest that he expand his news sources.

Democrat run states put a lot of elderly in nursing home if they contacted the virus. Death rates among elderly in those states were extreme.

Comey and Mueller might have great resumes, but their actions during that whole impeachment fiasco says those resumes are greatly inflated. You might have some homework to do yourself.

I read liberal, conservative, and foreign news sites. I form my opinions based on knowledge I gather.

As for masks, we still live in America, and have freedom of choice. If someone chooses not to wear a mask, that's on them. If I own a business, I can refuse to allow you in my establishment if you don't have a mask. Think of smokers. Same sort of thing. I don't want the government to tell me I have to wear a mask, any more than I want them to tell me I must own health insurance. So you know, I've had health insurance since I was 18, and I've worn a mask before the lockdown started. My choice.

Of course not.. I was just trying to make a point.

Epstein paid all his bills and taxes as well,, but look how far he strayed outside the line.

The point is this, you can be a good person in all other areas of your life and still be shady in some of it.

The problem with your "right" to not wear a mask is that it directly affects other people. If the mask strictly protected you, I'd agree to an extent, but seeing as how it helps protect others, your rights are not more important than theirs.

They started restricting smokers because their actions have negative consequences for other people. A person's right to smoke does not trump another's right to be free of smoke.

People can't be 100% quarantined. It's not possible. People need food, prescriptions, to work, among various other things. So when they are out, then need to wear a mask, and seeing as how so many people say it's a hoax, or that they are being infringed upon, at some point the government will probably have to step in and mandate it unfortunately. If people would have just done it from the get go, we'd be like so many other countries and our numbers would be way down.

Collusion was real! And he's tried it again since then TWICE! (that we know of) smh

The rest of your whataboutism is garbage nonsense. Calling it like I see it.

Vers, putting your head in the sand or doing this come together schtick is not resolving differences. You have people on one side calling for armed civil war! You have rational adults acting like facts, that they can see with there own eyes playing out everyday, simply don't exist or are wrong in some weird ass way! You can't let that go unanswered or it will only get worse than Trump next time.

The GOP needs to reassess it's values! Racism, fascism, and/or authoritarianism cannot, will not, must not rule the day!

You mean you can be rich and well connected and get away with damn near anything... even being a low life pimp and child trafficker. There are a lot of wealthy powerful people that knew exactly what and who he was for years. Trump and Clinton both among them IMHO.

This is one of the most reasonable well put statements I have read on here in a very long time. Thank you.

This is where I disagree with you.

Before my state mandated that smoking was not allowed in bars, there were several new sports bars that opened in my area that were smoke free. They were making a killing. We all know there are fans that smoke, and fans that don't. The state mandated no smoking, and suddenly those bars are no longer special. Several of them went out of business, and now just about every sports bars have tvs outside. The government took away their choice of what type of business they wanted to run, and destroyed their niche.

We've seen the same thing in nyc, when bloomberg decided a 16oz soda was big enough. The restaurants removed salt from tables. I don't need a nanny state to tell me what I need to eat or drink. If I want to smoke, I'll smoke. My butts go in an ashtray, or are extinguished and tossed in the trash. Personal responsibility.

I've always found it strange that the party that screams about "choice" wants to take choices away from you.

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As you try to censor the speech of others.

Why continue to post debunked rhetoric that threatens the health of your fellow citizens?

Coronavirus: Mandatory face masks ‘could save up to 50,000 lives’

https://www.sciencefocus.com/news/coronavirus-mandatory-face-masks-could-save-up-to-50000-lives/

Use of Cloth Face Coverings to Help Slow the Spread of COVID-19

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-sick/diy-cloth-face-coverings.html

Universal masking for COVID-19: evidence, ethics and recommendations

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7254130/

You clearly aren't showing any respect for others you come into contact with..

That's a real UNAmerican way to look at things..

All the data out there tells us one thing is true, this Virus is airborne. (unless you mistakenly think it's ok to ignore professional developed Data)


Why would you purposely do something that will harm others? why?

You know why. "Mah freedom!"

Some people think their freedom includes having the right to risk the health and the life of others.

Maybe the next time they are eating a meal someone should blow smoke in their face and see how that works out.

The reason you can't smoke indoors is the same reason you should be wearing a mask. It's because your freedom doesn't include risking the health and safety of others.