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If they don't like wearing a mask, they're going to think a ventilator really sucks.

Actually it pumps.

CDC calls on Americans to wear masks to prevent COVID-19 spread

https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2020/p0714-americans-to-wear-masks.html

Just stop it man.

This is Grade A level stupidity.

j/c...


The Coronavirus Crisis
White House Strips CDC of Data Collection Role For COVID-19 Hospitalizations
July 15, 20201:31 PM ET
The Trump administration has mandated that hospitals sidestep the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention to send critical information about COVID-19 hospitalizations and equipment to a different federal database.

The CDC has collected data on COVID-19 hospitalizations, availability of intensive care unit beds and personal protective equipment from the start of the pandemic. But hospitals must now report the information directly to the Department of Health and Human Services, which oversees the CDC. The change sparked concerns that the administration was sidelining the nation's public health agency by removing key data gathering and analysis from its jurisdiction in the midst of a pandemic.

Michael Caputo, HHS assistant secretary for public affairs, defended the administration's decision and said that CDC's system was too slow.

"The CDC's old data gathering operation once worked well monitoring hospital information across the country, but it's an inadequate system today," Caputo said in a statement shared with reporters. "The President's Coronavirus Task Force has urged improvements for months, but they just cannot keep up with this pandemic."

A top CDC scientist in charge of collecting and analyzing COVID-19 data from hospitals said the new reporting system ignores the agency's valuable expertise and disrupts the CDC's decades-long relationships with hospitals.

"We have high confidence in the consistency and completeness of the data that hospitals are reporting using the [existing] system," said Dr. Daniel Pollock, a medical epidemiologist and surveillance branch chief for the CDC's Division of Healthcare Quality Promotion, "We have a long-standing working relationship with the hospitals — we have means to do quality checks over the incoming data as well as rapidly getting to hospitals where we have identified data gaps."

Since March, hospitals have reported daily information on the availability of hospital beds, ventilators and personal protective equipment to an established data collection network run by the CDC called the National Healthcare Safety Network or NHSN, which has operated for years.

As of Wednesday, hospitals are being instructed by HHS not to use that system and instead to report to a new site set up by the department using a private contractor called TeleTracking.

The new system was set up by TeleTracking, a private company based in Pennsylvania, which was awarded the $10 million contract in a noncompetitive bid in April. Sen. Patty Murphy, D-Wash., the ranking member of the Senate health committee, wrote a letter to CDC Director Robert Redfield on June 3 asking why TeleTracking was awarded the contract on a noncompetitive basis.

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shot..._medium=twitter

As I have said before, it's easier to hide your lies when you are hiding the truth. Currently that has been impossible to do. So just change things to where you can.

J\C
I think telling the younger people that it not a problem if the contract it was a dumb thing to say .

Yeah, the initial data out of China was definitely wrong.

What's worrying is that there's health complications that last awhile, perhaps years, even for those who recover from the virus.

The 20-40 age group is currently driving the spread in Alaska. My wife and I are staying at home and not really associating with anyone unless we're the only people they've seen in weeks. They wear masks whenever they go out, and they're super careful as they have a one year old.

Who told them that? I know they were told it was less likely to kill them or to cause serious illness, but they have always been told it's them spreading it that's the bigger problem.

j/c

Fauci calls White House efforts to undermine his credibility "bizarre"

Washington — Dr. Anthony Fauci, the nation's leading infectious diseases expert, defended himself against recent attacks on his credibility emanating from the White House, calling the efforts to discredit him "bizarre."

In interviews with The Atlantic published Wednesday, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases said claims by several White House officials that he had been frequently wrong in the early stages of the COVID-19 pandemic were "nonsense" and "incorrect."

Fauci's latest comments reflect escalating tensions between the Trump administration and government medical experts, with critics arguing that President Trump is seeking to undermine health officials. Fauci referred to a document crafted by unnamed White House officials and sent to the Washington Post and other news organizations which listed his alleged mistakes, such as telling people in late February that the virus would not significantly affect their day-to-day lives.

"I stand by everything I said. Contextually, at the time I said it, it was absolutely true," Fauci told The Atlantic. "It's nonsense. It's completely wrong. The whole thing is wrong. The whole thing is incorrect."

Fauci also said the White House officials involved with producing the list were "taken aback by what a big mistake that was."

"I think if you talk to reasonable people in the White House, they realize that was a major mistake on their part, because it doesn't do anything but reflect poorly on them. And I don't think that that was their intention," Fauci said. "I cannot figure out in my wildest dreams why they would want to do that. I think they realize now that that was not a prudent thing to do, because it's only reflecting negatively on them.

Fauci also commented on an op-ed written by White House trade adviser Peter Navarro on Wednesday which criticized Fauci's response to the virus.

"I can't explain Peter Navarro. He's in a world by himself," Fauci said. Aides tried to distance the White House from Navarro's op-ed, and Mr. Trump later told reporters Navarro shouldn't have written it.

Fauci said he told White House chief of staff Mark Meadows that the effort to discredit him "hurts the president."

"Ultimately, it hurts the president to do that. When the staff lets out something like that and the entire scientific and press community push back on it, it ultimately hurts the president," Fauci said. He added that he has not spoken to the president in some time, but is in constant contact with other members of the White House coronavirus task force.

In an interview with CBS News senior investigative correspondent Catherine Herridge on Tuesday, Mr. Trump said that he believed Fauci was a "really good guy" but had made some mistakes.

"I like Dr. Fauci. To me, he's a really good guy and a nice guy, but he's made mistakes," Mr. Trump said.

The president has repeatedly downplayed the effects of the coronavirus, even as over 130,000 Americans have died of COVID-19, and dozens of states are seeing significant spikes in cases.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/fauci-calls...r5ZBjqEdu99v-mY

Trumplandia. Where facts mean nothing and undermining the truth has turned into a daily hobby.

I hate to sound alarmist, but I won't be surprised if the death toll reaches .5M - 1M at this point.

Without a coordinated fed/state effort and mandated precautionary measures, this thing will ravage us indefinitely. Even those who are practicing the most stringent personal protocols are going to catch this disease because of the stupid people around them.

It's invisible. People can't see the threat, so they ignore the threat.
It spreads exponentially. People don't easily understand exponents.
It's been downplayed by the administration, and those who a warning us are now being smeared in the public arena. As such, people don't know what to trust or who to believe.

This perfect storm is just beginning. There will be untold suffering and tragedy before this story reaches its denouement.

I can't shake my sadness at all of this.

You won't know if it does bro. Suddenly next week everything is going to turn around. With Trump controlling the tabulations, we will miraculously have near zero deaths. Here comes sharpie boy.

Clem, it’s why I ordered a box of N95 masks. I don’t go into any public settings without one. Haven’t for months. I won’t for a very long time. I can trust no one to keep me healthy except me.

I hope you are wrong, Clem. But, I am getting the same feeling as you are. I want to add more to your point about a coordinated effort, but I don't want to get attacked again by some others.

I do commend guys like you and Portland who argue your points w/out trashing the character of other people. I admire that. I'll listen to you guys over guys who just fabricate quotes and try to humiliate people. You two try and win w/intelligence. That's the way to go.

I asked my Doctor how long he thought this Covid threat would go on.
He relied, "How should I know? I'm a Doctor not a Politician.

I try, but my hands aren't entirely clean around here. There exists a scant handful of members who by their very nature, push most of the buttons I have. They get that side of me that I try to keep in check, because I haven't got what it takes to treat them with respect they haven't actually earned. Most of the time I ignore the things they say, but every once in awhile... damn. Can't help it.

They number at about 5 or fewer... a pretty good average for the number of posters who frequents this place.

Stay safe.

The line of the thread, so far.
Welcome back.

How you holding up?

I have to wonder here......

Back from a vacation visiting family in Virginia, Pennsylvania and New York. Eating in restaurants, going to stores.

Back about 2 weeks now.

Everyone is fine, never felt better.

You?

We all slip up, Clem. I slip up all the time when folks makes me angry. I feel bad afterwards because I sunk to their level.

These are passionate topics and turbulent times. I got on your ass once. I learned that that was a mistake even though my intentions were honorable.

I'm guessing there were times you wanted to jump my ass, but you chose not to. That means a lot to me, especially given how many of the guys who adore you have set about attacking me as if I am a freaking racist. I almost responded to you a few times recently, and then chose not to. Out of respect.

It's cool because we are all flawed. The world has always been crazy, but things are really nuts right now. Have you noticed how the "feel-good" threads such as the musical threads have all but disappeared? We're all tense and it's understandable that people are at each other's throats.

It's up to the wise among us [no matter their race, gender, political affiliations, religious beliefs, etc] to try and unite folks and combat the virus and the social unrest we are facing. I think it's okay to disagree. I would never ask you to agree my political or social beliefs. I don't think you would ask me to agree w/yours. We can have different views and still respect one another.

Tolerance. Respect. Forgiveness. Free-minded thinking.

We don't need the corrupt politicians and the money-hungry media to school us on those virtues. We Are the People!

You and I are old folks, Clem. But, we have some wisdom due to genetics and experience. We can help set an example. Tomorrow, I might say F... it and I'm done. But, I'll probably be back. You might do the same. We used to talk each other down from the slippery slope of Brown's fandom. Perhaps, we can do it here, too?

Let's fight the good fight. I believe in you. I think you are a good man. It's okay if we disagree on things. I am not asking for us to agree on policies or certain issues. But, I am asking you [because I respect your intelligence and integrity] to try and help us move forward during the crisis that we face. We need folks like you, Clem.

Don't arch. He didn't mean it that way.

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch...rs-in-the-state

Great, so now we have politicians preventing communities from trying to take action and mandate that people in public wear masks. Crazy crazy.

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch...rs-in-the-state

Great, so now we have politicians preventing communities from trying to take action and mandate that people in public wear masks. Crazy crazy.

Fake tough guy policies.

I don't see how you can not criticize the right on this crap! I was driving home from dropping off my grandkids yesterday afternoon (1.5 hour drive one way) and switch my radio to AM to see if I could find a local station that would have Dewine's 5:30 presser on it.

First I tuned to 610 and listened to about 20 minutes of Governor bashing, mocking masks usage and saying that masks are ineffective, and boastful talk about how Ohio working people just want to work because "they" alluding to "republican, trumpian, or conservative workers" are who pays the country's bills and carries all the dead weight vile dems and libs.

Then I tried 700, it was much of the same to a lessor degree for a few minutes, then full on rush limbaugh-esque for a segment with a frequent call in guest for 10 minutes, then back to just general bashing of anything and everything GOPers dislike... Facts, science, masks, helping people financially, leadership both Dewine's admin and National dems... They even attacked people choosing to wear masks and said only those with elevated health risk issues should wear them and they should stay home so others can go maskless!

I had no idea that AM radio was such a hotbed of alt-right BS! Some of these voices I had heard for years (in the past) and been entertained by suddenly sounded like a bunch of fascist jackasses! So it's no wonder we are were we are. There are two worlds in politics, two realities... One of those worlds or realities is based on complete fear mongering and fictional futures/pasts. I don't even recognize the republican party anymore. It's like some weird twilight zone thing IMHO.

I believe Limbaugh paved the way andany others have followed, some in a more intelligent way than others, some a bit more subtle .... But essentially it's. Type of brain washing. You stick to your few talking points then you skew the "information" you provide to resonate with either the fears or ego of your audience, you coach them on gaslighting arguments and perceived weaknesses in the Democrats arguments etc. Whether it's Limbaugh or Shipiro or anyone in between it's the same basic playbook.

This is about to change. Walmart announced yesterday that ANYONE shopping in Walmart or Sam's Club MUST wear a mask starting next Monday the 20th, no exceptions. Kroger is doing that here now, and other stores/businesses are following suit. The local governments and Trump can not stop businesses from the old CYA policies and this will force idiots to mask up. Walmart is always full of Trumpians, it will be fun to see all the Ken and Karen walmart videos coming out after the 20th.

Just so sad. These people used to have common sense.

Not sure how you read my post and came up w/how you are not sure I won't criticize the right, but whatever...

I don't listen to those idiots. I do think a lot of it started w/Rush Limbaugh. That kind of talk really turned me off even more than I had been. I hated the labeling. I hated the one-sided rhetoric. I hated all the insults. I hated the dividing of the nation. The more they talked, the further I moved away.

Today, I hear the left resorting to the very same tactics that I despised from the right. Maybe it's because my resources are limited. I don't visit any other message board other than this one. I don't have a Twitter account. I don't use Facebook. I don't listen to the radio. The last time I turned the TV on was for the NFL draft.

I have my own playlists for music and listen to ad-free Pandora. I do a ton of research on topics that interest me. I read books on my Kindle. I work. I come on here and read a few articles on Yahoo. Almost everything I see and hear is coming from the left and they are the ones doing the very same things that made me despise the right.

Look at this board. Who does almost all of the attacking? Who resorts to lies to win arguments? Who does most of the name-calling? Which side goes after posters in gangs?

I don't like those types of things. Again, I never was on the right, but their vile attacks made me despise them. Now, the left's vile attacks are making me question if I want to be part of that group. I kind of feel like both sides are villainous and I can't support either side.

Maybe the lack of input is part of the issue you have with the so called "gang", which is a label you have applied to a group you don't like BTW.

I'd suggest tuning into those AM stations for a few minutes to get a glimpse of what I'm railing against. Then maybe tune in local news and see how the conservative buy up of local stations has affected politics... Before we even add in FOX, Limbaugh, etc. Conservative talk shows are poisonous venom fueling the people on the opposite side. We on the left can't play nice with the type of agenda they are pushing or the whole country is lost to authoritarianism/fascism, period. We have to push back with drastic rhetoric to try and dispel the right's nonsense and those reasonable people who are unwittingly being influenced by it's lies.

I have no issue with a conservative point of view, I have issues with the blatant un american authoritarian fascism and the corporatist oligarchy that is fueling the political culture war with sponsored lies and brainwashing on the right! How can you not see this happening? And how can you not say anything regardless of who it offends? I don't give a damn if a guy like Erik that buys into this crap is offended by me or my side for just that reason.

No, I won't tune-in to listen or watch a bunch of hateful, ignorant rhetoric. I tuned that out decades ago. And I'm about to tune the other side out to for the very same reasons I tuned-out the right.

I take the opposite approach now since I have heard that 100 times. I have told a lot of folks if your to ignorant to wear a mask, social distance, wash your hands, and use hand sanitizer YOU should be the one locked up in your home.

Well if you won't educate yourself and attempt to fully understand what we the left are fighting, then maybe on here the 'gang' attacking the anti American values crowd is not the issue but you are. If you don't understand the issue, don't try to lead the conversations about the issue. That only makes you look foolish or bad and does nothing to resolve anything.

I get that you think we should be more respectful of others, but you only let a dog bite you so many times before you beat that dog's ass. That's what time it is for the left, metaphoric ass whoopin' time and our rhetoric reflects that.

I understand the issues just fine. I am also not foolish or bad. Far from it.

I think there are more intelligent ways address our issues rather than resorting to hate-filled rhetoric, bias, labeling, and name calling.

I believe two people working together can accomplish more than two people working against one another. That is far from foolish and not understanding the issues.

When one endeavors to remedy a quarrel, shouldn't they know what the quarrel is about? Maybe they should take an educated guess? Or should they just blindly blast both parties equally until the quarrel ends?

You are doing one of these now. Which one?

I am unsure if you are honestly understanding my message or purposely misunderstanding it?

I know what the issues are.

I don't need to listen to a blow-hard like Limbaugh to tell me what they are. I can read. I know what problems are plaguing the country.

I do not wish to waste time listening to hateful souls tell me what to think about the issues.

I really wish you would. Then we could stop hearing your nonsense.