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Who?

Not good that we lose depth at guard but this guy gets a sure fire paycheck when he likely wouldn't even have made the team.

Peen has been all doom and gloom with every post since February.

The Marlins started playing again today after their outbreak.
Jamie Gillan is back after testing positive.
Gardner Minshew is back after testing positive.

If there is one thing I know about the people on this board it's that most let their emotions rule them.

no way they shut the season down unless things take a nosedive... I can see them doing no fans... but they'll at least attempt the season

I agree. Not sure how it works if he NEVER makes a roster in the NFL

It really isn't information. It's opinion. If it's ok to play football, I suppose its ok to go out to a club and dance for 3 hours. Take temps when people enter.

What could go wrong?

j/c


I don't understand why these guys have waited this long to declare the opt-out. Especially those at high-risk.

I think Gossett was a definite on the 53...especially after after Forbes opted-out.

Probably waiting on the guaranteed pay to be announced.

Sometimes reality can get twisted by those who can't see it. With as many dead people we have in this nation from the virus, saying that coaching staffs, medical staffs and other supporting staff are at huge risk of life if they proceed with the season isn't doom and gloom. It's reality. Don't get confused.

Never heard of him, but it's a good thing we brought in a lot of OL.

Who?

Another guy who gets a guaranteed paycheck and likely would not have made the squad.

I think this probably means we will make a move to sign a guard or trade for a guard in the next two weeks.

It seems those that "never heard of these guys" were actually complaining about the depth at G rather than the names of the players. They just didn't realize it.

He's wrong. of course. We also have Hubbard, who was a better G than T, and Nick Harris, who can swing to G, if necessary.

They do have to pay it back. It's not like teams are just handing out money.

Are you sure? I'm not sure that is the case. If a guy never makes the roster in the future he is expected to pay back $150,000k?

Yes, even if they get cut next year. It is a advance on pay.


https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/opt...021/ar-BB17z6lG


In reading deeper, in some cases maybe not....seems complicated to me.

He played for Ohio State. Was a ps player last year for us after the Texans cut him.

Looks like we need some OG depth, although I doubt these guys would have made the team anyways

We need to keep shopping it appears. Never heard of him either, but he will be paid better than us this year it seems. If Bitonio goes out, we have an issue. Probablyly like any number of other clubs.

I'm hoping a few options at guard, that we bring in.

1. Josh Kline- Has knowledge and history with coach, solid player...Can push for a spot and our be probably at worst, our best backup Olineman.

2. Ronald Leary- Push for a starting gig, however would be an ideal backup at guard...guy is just injured a lot.

As far as a DT run plugger to replace Billings.

I would not mind Mike Daniels or Snack cakes as pluggers...Jernigan is also out there, though I always saw him more of a penetration DT vs plugger, then again I know he has had back issues too. But any of them could help our rotation.

If,as you say,these guys would not have made the team then we had no depth to begin with.

I think you are right on track with your thinking. I am not sure what his standing is but I would like to kick the tires on Marcel Darius. He has had his weed issues and some other crap, if he is interested in playing, he is damn good. Brandon Mebane is another who has been an outstanding pro, age is up there however maybe a good mentor for the youngsters. We absolutely need 2 bodies at guard, I like Leary and Kline for the reasons you listed. Money should not be a problem, we got plenty.

I believe RG Larry Warford is still a FA. He was let go by the Saints several weeks ago.

Some people keep saying this and, personally, have no idea where this comes from. I welcome any information as to how he is better at guard than tackle, especially since both teams (PIT and CLE) played him primarily at tackle. Cleveland, exclusively at tackle. I'm happy to be corrected on the snaps in PIT but I previously thought I saw something referencing that his snaps moved to RT pretty quickly in Pittsburgh as he began to play more.

That aside, Bill Callahan was interviewed several weeks ago about the right guard spot. Here is what he said:



Hubbard wasn't event mention among the competition. Then when Hubbard's name was brought up.....



https://www.si.com/nfl/browns/news/bill-callahan-on-right-guard

Callahan specifically references his perceived role. So I'm guessing Jake Trotter excluded Hubbard from the list of guards because so far, so has the team. Now maybe that changes as a result of players opting out, but it doesn't look like Hubbard was every really in consideration at RG.

I think "versatility" is often used with Hubbard because he has had experience playing a several positions. I just think it's difficult to say he was better at guard when he has been playing so much at tackle. I guess the argument could be made that because he was such trash at tackle, he MUST be better at guard.....but I think that is difficult to quantify given the disparity of snaps at positions.

Hubbard was well regarded in Pittsburgh, and if I am not mistaken, he played all 3 interior positions in addition to Tackle there.

Ok. But how does that mean he was better at guard than tackle?

I seem to recall people saying he played well at guard. When a need arose, they bumped him outside to RT.

Some guys do fine on the island and some do better in the phone booth. Might have to come up with a new term. You don't see many phone booths anymore. We have a old classic hotel here in town that still has a bank of about 10 phone booths.

It may just be for looks. I don't know if the phones actually work.

Funny you mentioned that. We have ONE phone booth in our town still standing. One of those things that has always been there. Yet I don’t think I’ve seen someone use it in AT LEAST 20 years

Well, I don't think he could be much worse than what he did at tackle last season... so there's that. The story on him before he came here is that he was a guard that bumped out to tackle and filled in fine there. IMO, him returning to guard makes some sense. At the end of the day, the competition for the starting RG spot needs to be an actual competition.

I think another way to look at it is this. If you plug him in at RT you just severely harmed your depth at the OT position. If he's your starting RG, who would you plug in at OT if an injury occurs? I think that's the reason the coaching staff may have not mentioned him in terms of playing G.

j/c:

All set

This MUST be The Answer for whom we have been waiting. I suspect we are still looking roster number aside. Best of luck!

According to PFF in Hubbard's time with Pittsburgh he played 31 snaps at OC, 7 at LG, 35 at LT, and 904 at RT.

So....

Snap % per offensive line position (rounded):

RT- 92%
LT- 4%
C - 3%
LG- 1%
RG- 0%

This is why I said I don't know how one can say he is better at G than RT. The dude has allegedly played 7 of his 977 NFL snaps at guard.

Interesting to see this number mashing. So apparently claim anything you like with stats. So, it seems that we are left with a single bright and burning question:

How did those snaps at the one guard go?