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I feel that school should be online for this coming year.

There are a lot of studies showing multiple lingering organ damage from this virus that I wouldnt feel good about putting kids in school.

Adults can make up their own mind about going out or not. But kids cant, so we should err on the side of caution for them.

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Mine is and I'm mostly fine with it.

Sure it's not making me feel super confident, but I've talked with quite a few doctors and listened to some others online. The kids are staying in one room all day, teachers are rotating in, everyone is wearing masks, they're eating outside, limiting kids in the hall, cleaning overnight and we'll see where we're at as the weeks or months go by.

And as the months go by, we'll learn more about covid, find new treatments and maybe get a decent vaccine early 2020. But if that vaccine doesn't come, we have to be prepared to live beside this thing. Just because it's still out there doesn't mean we all give up (not saying you're saying that).

What are the chances this age group has been the most protected than any other because parents are protecting them and isolating them. You think the numbers might go up if you take them out of isolation and put them in the petri dish of a classroom? Pushing school openings is pushing death.

That's your decision bro and I hope your kids are ok at the end of all this... Obviously I know we have to live, but I don't want to justify one kid dying because 'we had to' get them in classes, especially when those classes aren't doing the number one job of protecting them. Now once I'm convinced it can be done safely then I'm for it. But I'm not taking Trump's word (or one of his lackies' word) for any damn thing. And when people lose confidence in a government like we have this one, that's the way it should be.

Kids can definitely spread it.

I had a woman as a patient. Her sister in laws son had it but they didn't tell anyone. The grandparents saw that kid. Later saw my patient's son.

My patient, her husband and both grandparents ended up in the hospital.

I think that is a valid concern. Unfortunately we do don't have the answer yet.

Schools going online directly, negatively impacts poorer children. Their home lives are not as sterile, quiet and focused. That is to that that they even have internet???


100% the narrative in the MSM will be about how online learning is racist.

That one isn't real:

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/07/trump-...ie-in-pandemic/

Fake news.

I wouldn't get too excited -- Trump's 2015 twitter would hate Trump's presidency.

From reading your posts it appears you're the one attracted to me. You can't seem to get me out of your mind.



It's alright Vers. Sometimes my animal magnetism is just too mesmerizing. I get it.

You do realize people read your posts where you call others names while claiming some moral superiority, right?



You're on a roll tonight!

Thank you.
I’ve started seeing the ‘kids don’t get it/spread it’ nonsense and I’m just kinda over fighting back.

A month or so back a buddy’s daughter had a play date with a friend. Two days later she was running a fever. Her, her older sister, and my buddy’s wife all tested positive within a few days. His wife had a rough go. Had to seek medical help to get inhalers. He managed to stay clear from the initial wave and holed up in his basement man cave for 3 weeks until he felt the all clear.

If school starts, a large wave of infections will follow. Think of how many working parents rely on their parents (the grandparents) to assist after school. Pick up the kids from school or the bus stop. Etc. I know I did as a kid. I know my half-brother relies on my dad and step mother... a cancer survivor.

This will not end well in many families/communities.

Wear your mask. Wash your hands. Social distance. Stay safe.

(Personal note. My girlfriend was COVID tested at work. She’s negative.... or at least she was on Monday. So that’s good.)

Mine has the option to and even in 11th grade, we are probably going to keep home at the begining.
our school sent postcards that we are supposed to fill out and send back in 2 days but they are not having the meeting with parents with details until next week.
But what they did say is not good-
Grades K-6 are on their own bus schedule-they drop them off and then get grades 7-12.

Grades K-2 stay in their class all day including lunch, teachers rotate kids stay still-Kids have option for partitions or wear masks.

Grades 3-6 stay in their class for instruction, but eat in the cafeteria.

Grades 7-12 is 5 days in school with lunch in the cafeterial. Thats over 100 kids at about 16 round tables. Masks are supposed to be worn in halls and the bus, but I don't think in classes.

Also the weirdest, the parents are supposed to do a temperature check at home before the kids get on the bus, and if they have a temp, you are supposed to keep them home-no checks will be done at school.

Trump has shown horrible leadership through Covid but your analogy still doesn't work. Nobody was locked in a basement..

More like, if you put somebody in your basement and some people are telling them how to get out and others are telling them they should stay there... then they stay and starve to death.. did you kill them? No, there was a way out, there were people telling them they should take it.. many just chose not to.

When the very people they trust to lead them tell them to stay there and provide no food, they will starve to death.

Now you can say that they should have listened to different people if you like and I would agree with you. But if you don't believe that a constant flow of disinformation from the very people they trust to lead them had no impact, we strongly disagree.

I'm just saying they had a choice.. they weren't "locked in". That's it.

And all I'm saying is that the disinformation that was disseminate confused a lot of people as to what they should and shouldn't do.

I find it amazing that some people are actually dumb enough to rely on what a politician tells them in a situation like this.

Actually, I don't believe it. I just think the left is using this a political ploy. I also think that if Obama was president, the right would be blaming him for "literally killing" Americans.

There you go trying to think again.

Trump's supporters, even those in the congress and senate parrot the very things he says on a daily basis and you seem deaf to it.

U.S. Rep. Louie Gohmert, a mask skeptic, tests positive for coronavirus

Gohmert, 66, said in a televised interview that he wonders if he may have caught the virus from wearing his mask. Medical experts, however, overwhelmingly recommend masks as a means of preventing the virus.



U.S. Rep. Louie Gohmert, R-Tyler, has tested positive for the new coronavirus, he said in an interview with East Texas Now where he speculated that he may have caught the virus from wearing his mask.

Gohmert, who spends ample time on the U.S. House floor without a mask, was one of several Texas officials scheduled to fly to West Texas this afternoon with President Donald Trump. He took one test, which tested positive, then took a second test during a pre-screen at the White House which also tested positive.

“I can’t help but wonder ... if I injected the virus into my mask when I was moving,” he said in an interview.

I guess he forgot to inject the Clorox

Medical experts and doctors overwhelmingly recommend wearing masks as a way to reduce spread of COVID-19. Recent research suggests that masks could protect the wearer from severe symptoms of COVID-19 or from catching the virus entirely.

Gohmert, 66, was one of several lawmakers who participated in a hearing of the House Judiciary Committee that also took place Tuesday. He walked around the hearing room and outside without wearing a mask. News of his diagnosis was first reported by Politico and later confirmed by ABC News.

“I’m fine. I feel fine. Totally asymptomatic,” he said. “If I hadn’t been going with the president, since I don’t feel badly, I would never have known.”

Yet

Gohmert said he received guidance from the doctors at the White House and the attending physician at the Capitol that he only needed to self-quarantine for 10 days. He said he will drive back to his East Texas home and that his staff is all getting tested for the virus.

“Like Dorothy said, there’s no place like home,” Gohmert said.

The Republican lawmaker has been known for speaking at length with Capitol colleagues while not adhering to social distancing guidelines. Last month, he told CNN that he was not wearing a mask because he was getting tested regularly for the virus.

“I don’t have the coronavirus, turns out as of yesterday I’ve never had it,” he said in June. “But if I get it, you’ll never see me without a mask.”

Gohmert also raised eyebrows in March after returning to the Capitol despite potential exposure to the virus at the Conservative Political Action Conference. Though he said at the time he was cleared by a Centers for Disease Control and Prevention physician to resume Capitol business, other lawmakers who attended the conference, including U.S. Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas, opted to self-quarantine.

Several other members of Congress have tested positive for the deadly respiratory virus. Kentucky Republican Rand Paul tested positive for the virus in March and later recovered. Florida Republican Reps. Neal Dunn and Mario Diaz-Balart have also contracted the virus.

Texas, however, has recently become a hotspot for the coronavirus, with the state having some of the highest case counts in the nation. The governor previously issued a statewide mask mandate.

In a tweet Wednesday morning, U.S. Rep. Jerry Nadler, D-New York, who chaired Tuesday’s hearing, wished Gohmert “a full & speedy recovery.”

“When individuals refuse to take the necessary precautions it puts everyone at risk," he wrote. "I’ve regularly instructed all Members to wear their masks and hope this is a lesson by all my colleagues.”

https://www.texastribune.org/2020/07/29/louie-gohmert-coronavirus/

It needs to be stated.

He had it coming. Now, I sincerely hope he doesn’t get smacked by it, and it just goes away with limited treatment....

But he had it coming. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

He certainly deserves to get smacked by it. It’s attitudes like his that get others killed. Karma’s a bitch right? The pos now claims he caught it because he was wearing a mask. He’s off to get his hydroxy treatments no doubt. Pfff trump supporters

Again another expert, this time from Yale says HCQ works to fight COVID19

https://www.newsweek.com/key-defeating-c...opinion-1519535

Again, I fully belive liberal news paid for fake studies to get Trump out of office and got people killed paid for by big pharma

There has been numerous large scale studies showing HCQ works with the proper dosage and supplemental drugs. Again, experts at Yale are on board.

These studies were buried by liberal biased media on.purpose to hurt Trump, who gives a **** about the truth.

Probably one of the most awful things I have ever seen....all those people who died..most of em would have survived with this known treatment, but nope...Trump suggested studying so cant do that, it doesnt work.according to the left...if it isn't their idea it sucks...what ***holes.

Well you are free to believe what you wish. That's your right. I'm going from memory but I thought the most definitive testing on HCQ was done overseas - Britain and EU? Maybe Australia? .... none of those places give a rats patootie about Trump or our media.

Did you also ever believe Obama wasn't born in the States? Maybe you still don't believe he was?

You want the guy to die? Or, just suffer?

It doesn't really matter. You don't wish that on anybody.




Normal people understand that.

This is some next level Alex Jones stuff right here.

j/c:

I read Perfect's post and then KOB's. I immediately got up and made sure all of my doors and windows were locked. LOL

LOL. hydroxy will protect you.

I’m betting if he gave this virus to trump y’all be like...string thIs dude up.

And.........Normal people don’t vote to take away healthcare from millions of Americans over 70 times in the course of their existence. Pffft trump and his supporters helping to kill off and causing normal people to suffer daily by supporting trump’s dumbass policies.

Why?

You do realize there has been numerous studies showing that HCQ IS EFFECTIVE when used "properly" with the correct dosages and support drugs.

https://www.henryford.com/news/2020/07/hydro-treatment-study

https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/...mation-campaign

https://publichealth.yale.edu/news-article/26218/

Even Dr. Harvery Risch, a very highly regarded Yale Dr and the director of Yale's Molecular Cancer Epidemiology Laboratory is telling people this.

https://disrn.com/news/yale-epidemiologist-hydroxychloroquine-is-the-key-to-defeating-covid-19

Follow the money. If there is an effective treatment for COVID19 it devalues a vaccine considerably, its all about the money. you don't think the news media isn't taking payouts to discredit any threat to their vaccine profits? You don't think there are lobbyist at the state and federal levels lobbying to get HQC banned so it can't be used.

why would you ban a drug that has been FDA approved for over 60 years?

You do realize heart issues only happen with toxic doses(higher than 1000 mg) what these Dr are advocating for COVID19 is 200 MG along with supplemental dosages of zinc and Zithromax, which might I add studies show patients that get these treatments at the early stages of COVID19 have a 90+ percent recovery rate compared to those who don't get it.



there is MORE than enough scientific and observational data that this drug is effective in treating COVID19 IF the dosage is kept small, and the treatments are administered before the dieseases goes into its advanced stage.

I'd rather be given HCQ with supplemental drugs and get better, then put on a damn Ventilator were your chances of getting off it are less than 10%

As for the Obama comment, WTH does that have to do with anything mgh, that's just gas lighting.

As I said, the left and their followers only want an echo chamber, anyone who disagrees with them must be silenced, censored, and ridiculed by any means...you know who else does that? Communist China.

Make sure you get your daily dose of demon DNA to complete the treatment.

What are you even talking about? I am not even talking about that lady. Im talking about Harvery Risch, a very highly regarded Yale Dr and the director of Yale's Molecular Cancer Epidemiology Laboratory.

Again this is proof in point. You only want an echo chamber, you won't even entertain any alternate ideas.

People forgot smoking cigarettes was once approved by Dr. and the Surgeon General and studies showed it was fine. This was later proven untrue, but those who spoke out against the dangers of smoking early on were treated the same way the media is treating HCQ and Dr who advocate it.

https://www.healio.com/news/hematology-o...tested-approved

https://www.history.com/news/cigarette-ads-doctors-smoking-endorsement

there is more than enough people (many thousands) who have recovered using this drug with a proper regime and support for it to be viable.

As i said, everything is about money. they ahve to ban it because if folks find out how effective it really is as a treatment, the vaccine and its profits go up in smoke. its always about the money, every single thing in this world is about money plain and simple.

Here is my truth on hydroxychloroquine. I say my truth because this is from my fairly extensive experience treating both Covid and non-Covid patients with HCQ.

1st let's talk about safety.
Generally HCQ is fairly safe. There is a long term issue with buildup in the retina that can lead to blindness. If caught early it is reversible. If not it can lead to permanent blindness. Patient's on long term HCQ need monthly eye exams. This does not become a problem until after at least 4 weeks of treatment. This would only become an issue if used for prevention on a long term basis.

The acute issue if something called prolonged Qt interval. In short Qt interval is an EKG measurement. Some medications can cause it to be prolonged. When it becomes so long it turns into a fatal arrhythmia. HCQ by itself can do this but it is uncommon generally. The bigger risk is when it is combined with other drugs that can also prolong the Qt interval. One of the medications that most frequently increases the Qt is azithromycin. Proponents of HCQ frequently encourage the intercurrent use of azithromycin. This can be very dangerous. I think the risk is higher in patients with Covid because Covid can cause heart issues itself. When we used HCQ, we avoided other drugs that can prolong the Qt interval, and we did daily EKG's and we stopped the HCQ if there was any QT prolongation.

2nd question is: Does HCQ prevent you from getting Covid?
I have personally taken care of multiple patients who take HCQ on a regular basis for some other disease. While originally created as a drug to treat malaria, it was later discovered that HCQ is an effective therapy for many rheumatologic disorders most commonly Lupus. These patients never miss a dose because if they do, they cannot function that day. So the answer is clearly no. HCQ does not prevent you from getting and being hospitalized with Covid.

3rd question: Does HCQ help people who have Covid?
From the numerous patients that I have had with Covid who were treated with HCQ, some did show a small improvement in their oxygenation, many did not. I think that there is a certain population of patient that does benefit from HCQ but that we have not yet defined who that patient is. What is certain is that even in those that it helps, it is not a magic bullitt. It is not a cure by any means. Numerous patients have died of Covid despite being on HCQ. HCQ may make you a little bit better but does not cure you.

Lastly, we need to ask: Are there any other downsides to using HCQ?
2 drugs have been shown to clearly improve mortality in Covid. One is dexamethasone, the other is remdesivir. It has also been shown that remdesivir is less effective in patients who are on HCQ.

This is real life experience treating patients with HCQ. The good, the bad, and the ugly. Take it for what it's worth, one doctors story of HCQ and Covid-19.

j/c: