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Instead of slowly spamming multiple threads with the Ngo tweets, or other news and reporting of what's happening in multiple cities and locations ... can we keep the discussion in one place?

I think the people who are destroying property, throwing anything at law enforcement, looting etc - should be arrested and prosecuted. . . . Personally I do not think they represent BLM or Antifa or any other aspect of the recent peaceful protests, but are merely opportunistically using the peaceful protesting as a means to conduct their lawlessness. jmo.

It's a serious problem that deserves it's own thread.

Good luck. Propaganda works best when it spreads virally. Limiting it to a special thread will keep those who dislike sources like the very biased NGO from being seen. That will not fit the agenda of a certain poster.

It can be seen here. It's a valid topic better to be seen in one place for context and actual discussion.

Casually harassing residents in their homes at night.

These people are criminals and need to be placed in prison.

Eh, imma take a page out of the conservative playbook.

If it ticks off the conservatives, then I’m all for whatever the rioters are doing. #ownthecons

What if it also ticks off the conservatives, the centrists and a significant proportion of dems ?? It's not like these "protests" or their actions and consequences target conservatives. It's not like the only people that think it's a problem are conservatives.

Portland, Seattle, Chicago.....these are all liberal strongholds. They aren't destroying Conservative neighborhoods.

have you been paying any attention? the centrist for the last 20 years or so changes values based on which direction the wind is blowing.

their only purpose to is go against whatever the current trend is, regardless of what the trend happens to be.

police brutality? better talk about black on black crime.

muslim extremism? better talk about all the "good muslims"

islamophobia? better talk about all the bad muslims.

women's rights? better talk about the cherry picked articles that show women falsely accusing men of something.

hate obama? gotta talk about how he's the first black president.

love obama? gotta talk about how he might be a foreign born muslim.

i don't take centrist seriously because they give me absolutely no reason to. they can't even consistently tell you what they stand for themselves. they can barely tell you what they stand against.

i stopped caring what conservatives thought when i joined the army in 06. they are masters at giving lip service, and little else.

and the dems? most won't let this affect them during the general election.

portland and seattle specifically have a LONG history of protesting and rioting, and a lot of people are well aware of that.

hell, the centrist won't stop whining everytime it happens. they'll talk about liberal strongholds and forget their rich tradition of rioting.

and the centrist are the same ones who defended the losers in oregon a few years ago when they stormed federal land and took it over because of grazing taxes on their cattle.

i dont want to hear it.

and as a minority, why would i care?

ANTIFA and and all these others guys will still stand side by side with me and the black/latino communities before the BpG's and memphis of the world would.

and that's the truth. so yea the riots are jacked up but....so?

stop law enforcement from harassing, assaulting, and killing black and latino americans and maybe the riots wouldn't happen.

remember this FACT, 888:

if white conservatives stood up for black and latinos throughout american history like they SHOULD HAVE, BLM wouldn't even exist.

let me repeat: if white conservatives stood up for black and latinos throughout american history like they SHOULD HAVE, BLM wouldn't even exist.

conservatives and centrist don't like admitting that, though.

Just my 2 cents - but I'd rather adopt the approach that you can still make a difference to all those that are or have been swaying in the wind. Just because they didn't see the light or chose to pull the shades down on previous issues that affected the country, doesn't mean this time can't be different. The way to change hearts and minds and the direction of the mainstream is not to firebomb a federal court or loot shops or offices in a downtown city using meaningful, peaceful protesting as a back drop to do the skulduggery.

There are people that are not going to see the light or overcome their biases no matter what. We have a bunch of them on this board. But that's not the audience and the target for change ... and by thinking that riots and looting and arson is a poke in the eye to those incapable of seeing the light, in reality it makes zero difference to them. None. Nada. Zip. . . . what it does is potentially negatively impact and sway the people who otherwise might have seen the light. just how I see it.

True.

I am thinking a few flamethrowers would get them to go home.

thats fine. here's how i see it:

a vast majority of the country watched a black man die on camera, shedding more light on the unfortunate reality of rampant police brutality/murders that minorities have been try telling our white brothers and sisters for decades.

i saw more white americans than ever protesting, and CONTINUING to protest with what is MOSTLY peaceful protest going on around the country.

i see portland and seattle, who have a rich tradition of rioting, taking advantage of situations, LIKE THEY ALWAYS DO, in order to continue their rich tradition of rioting centered around anarchy.

thankfully, the vast majority of americans KNOW that, and won't allow those taking advantage to dilute the messaging for the real issues, which is about civil rights and police brutality.

i see a center right/right side of the country trying to highlight this issue MORE because they're desperate; Trump is so toxic that the only chance they have of not losing control of government to the democratic party is to paint the entire liberal ideology as some sort of violent communist movement.

and honestly, i don't blame them because if i was a conservative, i'd do the same thing. why?

because my leadership has been so trash that i know we're about to get smacked on election night, so this is a hail mary.

and as a minority and a liberal, this is exactly how i view the way centrist and the right are attacking this situation: as a Hail mary.

the problem is that they ain't got Aaron Rodgers throwing the ball. they got nathan peterman.

Causing too much damage

Destructive behavior should not be rewarded.

Why am I not surprised that you propose the death penalty for crimes that do not carry the death penalty.

Oh they are rioting! Boo Hoo!
Oh ANTIFA is going to drag us all to hell! Boo Hoo
Oh destruction of property is much worse than blacks being killed in the streets! Boo Hoo
Oh they are Animals! Boo Hoo
Oh they belong in jail! Boo Hoo

smh... how about those gun toting right wing capital building storming right wing protesters? Boo Hoo, they are just standing up for their rights. Boo Hoo, I shouldn't be forced to wear a mask! Boo Hoo, they should die if they don't obey the cops! sickening.

I certainly agree with you that they use extreme intimidation.

But let me ask you, what have they destroyed and set on fire?

Let cops start killing Trump supporters in the streets just for being Trump supporters and we'll see what the hell they burn down and destroy. Apples and oranges.

A couple comments about Portland specifically that I learned this weekend from a combination peaceful protesters and police friends.

1) Downtown by the courthouse is mostly peaceful now that the Feds left
2) The criminal acts are happening in smaller pockets by the east and north precincts
3) The vast majority of people are peaceful, and the troublemakers are waiting until after dark to do their damage
4) There are a surprising number of people from other parts of Oregon and Washington coming to protest violently. Specifically mentioned were groups like the Bundy Standoff people and anarchists that are anti government and are here for the sole purpose of causing issues. (This one surprised me, but it was multiple sources).
5) There are still reports of far right/white supremacist groups (Prayer Boys, Patriot Prayer) doing the same as #4, but specifics were not provided. (Not surprised, but I'm a little dubious about this as they've not been shy about announcing their presence other times).
6) This isn't antifa - there are aspects and people that are antifa related, but this isn't antifa as a whole
7) It is white people causing damage and problems and it has distanced many blacks. (not surprising)

I'd love to hear what Portland and PDX have heard from people they know (or first hand if they've attended).

Why believe anything this guy says

"Andy Ngo
American journalist

Andy Cuong Ngô is an American conservative social media activist and journalist best known for covering street protests in Portland, Oregon. He is editor at large of The Post Millennial, a Canadian conservative news website. Wikipedia
Born: 1986 (age 34 years), Portland, OR
Nationality: American
Education: University of California, Los Angeles (2009), Portland State University"

Until recently, he was pretty much not known

You have no clue what you're talking about.

Stop.

Having someone showcase and denounce leftist and progressive rioting and looting does not make them "conservative". At best, it probably makes them not a leftist or a progressive.

I am not surprised you stick up for rioters, arsonists, and looters. Crimes that carry stiff penalty get no penalty. Just let them run wild.

We just have different standards. You are for the law or your not.

You are correct. It makes them 'criminals'. The rioters are by no means 'protesters...

And for those who don’t wear masks in public who spread death and disease, and are helping to cause our economy to collapse need to be fried like mass murders right? Standards are standards..wink wink

I have always been for the law. I have always said those who are involved in the riots should be prosecuted for the crimes they commit. If you have even been following these threads you already know this.

I'm for them receiving the penalties the law provides for their crime.

You advocate the death penalty for crimes that do not legally seek the death penalty.

It seems the one who is actually standing for law and order here is me, not you. You're advocating something closer to lynch mobs than justice.

Daman posted his wikipedia profile, so blasting him is a bit absurd. This being said, I agree with Daman's comment about why believe anything he says. He's an agitator and conspiracy theorist in my opinion.

Rolling Stone had an interesting article on the guy.

https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/andy-ngo-right-wing-troll-antifa-877914/

What's odd is how he posts a picture and without any proof of who those people are associated with just screams ANTIFA! And people who wish to see it that way just take him at his word without anything being substantiated to confirm it. He shows a small group of people among a huge group of protestors to suggest and substantiate the bias that it's wide spread. Those who wish to spread that message just eat it up and pass it along.

The very problem is that it was a Wiki page. Literally ANYONE can edit that thing.

And the title of the article includes:

Right-Wing Troll Managed to Manipulate the Mainstream Media



Riiiiight.

Thanks for the laugh.

"Pictures".

So where is the confirmation that any of those people belong to Antifa other than the fact he says they do? And isn't it a small number of people among thousands? You don't consider that a misrepresentation in any way?

I'm thinking you probably don't but it's fairly obvious.

"Some people are so far behind in the race, they actually think they're leading."

You are assuming (wrongly, again) that I don't believe there are peaceful protesters in Portland or anywhere else for that matter and everyone is rioting. But to say there are a "small number" is highly disingenuous on your part. They are a significant portion of what is going on and a large faction to what we've been seeing for over 70 days. Yes, they are Antifa. The promote daily what they are doing and where. Where the "few" comes from (and is more appropriate descriptor) is those other protesters and government officials not doing a damned thing to stop and condemn these thugs. These thugs took over a meaningful movement from the jump and have been ruining what could have been a more productive cause. Again, these thugs have been waiting for the chance to catapult their movement and the BLM protests were the fuse on which to act more aggressively. This is a huge problem and I will continue to point it out.

The hundreds upon hundreds of people DAILY rioting, causing millions of dollars in damages to property and business owners, attacking Feds, police, and anyone who does not agree with them has been increasing.

It's issue isn't the ratio of protestors to rioters. In fact, it's a pretty crappy rebuttal to these videos of violence and destruction. It's like saying "it's just a few bad cops that are unjustifiably killing minorities, but the larger percentage are good at what they do so let's not address the what we're witnessing." It's hypocrisy to the Nth degree from people who don't like seeing these videos of anarchy. The rioters and their acts need to be squashed, entirely. To come back with the argument that is just a few is laughable, and again, hypocritical.

If there was this large group of antifa rioting and looting everywhere as you are suggesting. Who are their leaders? Who do you suggest we target to stop antifa groups from rioting and looting? Targeting peaceful protesters and taking away our 1st amendment rights is trumps answer. What’s yours?

Actually it's very few of the things you like to portray through your lens.

You say "hundreds and hundreds", yet tens of thousands peacefully protest daily across our nation. If you can't comprehend that's a "small percentage" of the people on the streets it seems to be a math problem on your part.

And you seem to have a blanket approach to anyone and everyone who doesn't share all of your views. Let me give you an example. I have often said that it's a small percentage of cops who are actually "bad cops". So while you may be able to attribute that narrative to others who dispute that, it's certainly not me who is doing so. I do however question if those cops who are not reporting the bad cops can actually be called good cops.

And let me ask you a question. In all of your posts on this topic, when have you ever shown the multitude of peaceful protestors or pointed them out in videos? You seem to admit the vast majority of the protestors are peaceful yet seem to incessantly focus on the minority of them who riot and commit crimes.

I'll tell you what's "taken over". The need of some to focus and portray the worst while ignoring the best. The need of some to blame it all on Antifa while it's already been proven that many groups both liberal and conservative have infiltrated these protests for various reasons. What's taken over is the need of some to take a video of a group of people and claim they are all from Antifa without anything of substance to prove they are. And the need they have to make that the focus in everything they have to say about the protests going on in this nation.

Painting an imaginary narrative is what's taken over.

Yes, I have. Off the top of my head, I showed peaceful protesters calling out a couple of people protesters spray painting BLM on the building and screaming that it's not their mission to do that stuff, another pulling down a protester trying to climb the Fed building being an ass, and another putting out fires by rioters, and believe another of a peaceful protester getting jumped by others trying to squash rioting. All to show that some don't agree with the methods we are seeing. But do they match the amount of videos I've posted about rioters? No, of course not. Because peaceful protesters are not the problem. The rioters are. This would be like me expecting you to start a thread and subsequently posting all the good videos of police officers simply to match all the negative videos seen of bad cops. Why don't you?...Because good cops are not the problem. Bad cops are and people need to see that. Talk about a terrible question to ask.



Imaginary is a poor choice to use.

I find this hilarious too!

No - it's only like that at all and that's a bad analogy.

A bad cop is still a cop. He's employed as law enforcement. Period.

A rioter isn't a peaceful protester. So saying the ratio of rioters to peaceful protesters is the same as saying the ratio of bad cops to good cops etc is just a false equivalency. It's only in your head and those like you that want to lump the looters and rioters in 100% with the protesters and make them all part of the same initial group. It seems you don't want to accept that they are different and separate.

Good cops protect bad cops. So yeah lots of good cops are part of the problem. Peaceful protesters don’t protect looters and rioting. So no peaceful protesters aren’t part of the problem here.

I think early on, in the first week or so, the rioting and looting was largely done by legitimate protestors.. maybe even a lot who didn't go there with that in mind, but hey, when somebody busts out a window and it's free stuff and nobody is getting caught.. why not.

As it dragged into later weeks it became pretty evident that the violence was overwhelmingly caused by white people. In fact the majority of people at the protests and riots were white people. I would assume it was some mix of whites trying to make BLM look bad, others who thought they were standing up for "the cause", and probably some were just punks who thought they could get away with being destructive but had no real agenda.

Saw a stat the other day that support for BLM passed 30%, up about 7% from it's recent high... I bet 4 or 5 weeks ago it was a lot higher than that.. but this dragging out the violence and the riots is eroding support.

This is rich coming from a Trump supporter. The "Law and Order" criminal POTUS of the right! You don't get to talk about breaking laws because you haven't said crap as Trump ignores and breaks them.