DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Palus Politicus Kamala Harris is Biden’s VP pick.

Dude, Are you serious, I didn't know any of these.
I have no idea what t freak yarmulkes means.

That's bs he shouldn't be racist. Now hows he doing as president, and, I still don't like that question being asked.
I don't know about the central park 5 and don't care at this point, and, dude,
Nobody can call anybody subhuman, this is such messed up! Treat everybody the same.
(I keep getting angry and instantly realizing there's nothing I can do, get not angry again.)

Not this white boy.

So since you "didn't know about it" means it didn't happen, it isn't racist or both?

I have no reason or desire to defend myself against baseless lies.

State it all you want - any of you. It does not, nor will it ever, make it correct. Period. In fact, it's a bad look on those that do it.

I haven't paid too much attention to you and OCD's back and forth... but it seemed one point was that you believed Obama wasn't a citizen ... was that ever true? Is it true now? just curious.

I don't remember one way or the other. That's why I haven't weighed in on the topic. I tend not to keep score as much as some do.

Who knows? Did I question it at the time, some 12 years ago? Probably.

But to call me a racist because of who I voted for is pathetic.

It would be akin to me saying anyone that voted for b Clinton was a rapist, AND endorsed extra marital affairs, and on and on.

This is exactly what I'm talking about. The term 'racist' gets thrown out over everything......yet no comment on biden ...

Eh, it isn't worth it. YOu can all think and feel lies about me. Truth.

The ever loving accepting dems.....splash out lies, say them often enough.....

Well one side doesn't do it more than the other - well, in fact maybe they do. Trump is on record as lying prodigiously.

I don't call anyone a racist for voting for Trump. As despicable as the man is - and even though I think he is decisive and courts the racists who do vote for him - I won't be calling anyone that votes for Trump a racist in 2020 either. No doubt some might and I don't think it helps further any discussion or heal any divide ...

I do think - when you look at the post a few back by Portland that highlights a string of racists actions by Trump - it is more than fair to discuss it and question him and ask his supporters how they process or compartmentalize his actions and rhetoric.

Dismissing that as ' the term gets thrown out everywhere ' seems like a convenient dodge to me.

This is specifically what I was referring to - add to it the multiple re-posting of birther conspiracy schtick and his "go back to your own countries" comments.

Well, the term does get thrown out constantly.

And you missed the point anyway. To insinuate that I am a racist because of who I voted for is pathetic. Stupid, really.

Sarah Palin: Media double standard for Kamala Harris proves 'if you're conservative, you'll get beat up'
2008 Republican VP nominee warns Trump to avoid 'personal, petty' attacks on Democratic ticket

"I don't know if it's so much a gender thing ..." "It’s like what Trump faces all the time. It’s three against one: you have the Democrat Party, you have the media and you have the RINOs in your own party that are always, always trying to clobber you."

NRTU - I don't fully understand what one has to be a 'natural' US citizen to be president... personally if you're a US citizen of age that should qualify...

for Harris... I don't agree with a lot of her policies... but this birther thing is ridiculous...

First, I'm glad I was able to catch this thread at its inception because once it left the 1st page it went downhill in record time lol


I'm going to assume your above question about how his supporters compartmentalize is a genuine one so I'll posit an answer. I won't spend much time on a back and forth however because the answer is pretty obvious and not too complicated.


Trump supporters don't feel any need to answer for it. The same as no one here has ever felt the need to answer for the decades of blatant racism from Democrats and those on the left. I'm not even talking about going back to slavery and Jim Crow.

I've said it before on here: racism isn't about what was done, its about who.

The proof is out there for all to see. Joe Biden has said plenty of racially, let's be generous and say 'questionable' things over the years. Then Candidate Kamala Harris intimated that Joe was racist on the bussing issue and said that all the sexual related accusations against Joe should be believed. That didn't stop him from getting the nod as the Dem candidate.

In 2016 Trump told an audience of black folks "The Dems haven't been treating you well. Vote for me, what the hell do you have to lose" and that was bandied about as 'racist'.

Yet 2016 Hillary goes in front of a black church and changes her dialect, while pulling out a bottle of hot sauce she "happened to have" while at another function with black supporters. All this after calling young black men 'super predators' back in the 90's. She still got the nod.


Now the Dawgtalkers 'intelligencia' who have the emotional sophistication of a 6 yr old will read this and sya its nothing more than an attempt at 'whataboutism'. Its nothing of the sort.

It's "If you don't care about it within your party, you have no right to expect or hold anyone from the other accountable for what happens in theirs"

And look, its not that hard to find black Trump supporters. You may not get someone to necessarily admit it in person, but they are growing on the interwebs AND black MAGA hatters are the most die hard Trump supporters there are.

Hell, even Rep Vernon Jones (D) is supportive of what Trump has done for black Americans since being in office.

For what its worth I do applaud you for being willing to draw that distinction between Trump and Trump voters. Unfortunately many of your compatriots don't and contribute to the cheapening of a very serious issue. Everybody knows that it literally doesn't matter what Trump will say about Kamala, it will be labeled as racist and/or sexist. Even if he read a strictly edited teleprompt expressing a policy disagreement, it would still be characterized as racist and sexist. If Trump just simply refused to say anything about her, they'd still call it racist and sexist lol

Maybe one day we'll get back to what being more important than who.

For myself it's far more about refusing to call out those who are pure racists and accept their support instead. Just yesterday he was asked if he supported the message of QAnon. He dodged the question like the plague.

In Charlottesville he spoke of the "good people on both sides". In 2016 he refused to condemn the Ku Klux Klan or disavow his recent endorsement by former Klansman David Duke.

I do understand when you're in the public light all of the time you're going to say some stupid things. There will be gaffs and things you wish you hadn't have said.

But when your refusal to speak out against obvious racist groups certainly make it appear as though you're catering to them, I think that is something we've never seen before. Excuses for it are one thing, but that's really all it is at that point.

That's a good answer and much appreciated. My question was sincere.

I agree there is racism in lots of places. And then there are inappropriate things in lots of places and Joe B has had plenty of those and will probably continue to do so. But I do find a contrast and stark difference between the racism that is Hilary playing on Black stereo types with dialect and hot sauce while being embraced by a congregation that is enjoying and celebrating her - compared to the long list of Trump instances highlighted. Are they both a form of racism? Yes. Are they equivalent in nature and divisiveness? I don't believe so.

November is going to be interesting ... not the least because of the current shenanigans Trump is playing with USPS in his blatant efforts to impact the ability to conduct vote by mail .... but that's a whole different kettle of fish !

I totally get what you are saying. I don't necessarily disagree with you either. I think it's totally fine and appropriate to be critical of Trump on those things. I really don't have any issue with that.

But that's not the problem.

But my point still stands.

j/c:

I actually think this was an excellent choice by the Dems.

Most Dems are going to vote for anyone who opposes Trump. It could be a stuffed dummy and they would vote for him. See Biden. Thus, they didn't need to convince Dems to vote for their ticket.

The target audience was the centrists and other middle of the road voters who don't like Trump, the person. Harris, as a former AG who was pretty tough on violent crimes and other matters might appeal to such voters.

Pretty smart move by the Dems, if you ask me.