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100% agree... I would want it to be pretty damn secure... that online voting would make a ton of sense... can still have online or mail in for those who have no internet... but why they can't figure out how to safely do online voting is beyond me...

If you can bank online, use credit cards online, trade stock online, you can damn sure build a system to vote online safely and securely.

Not really. The hackers have breached various govt systems numerous times.

Hackers steal data, because the security to write data is much more difficult to get into than that to hack into and read data.

And the reality is that the votes are tallied via computers. It's not like we don't already use them, they just are behind the scenes, so once you scan or mail your ballot, you have no record of your choices unless you made a copy before hand.

In computer voting, one could receive and immediate notification or printout of their choices, that they could keep if they ever felt the need to challenge their counted vote. You would also know if someone voted under your name already, which would draw flags and an alert.

I think there are more positives than negatives. Not to mention the money district could save when it comes to polling equipment, space and volunteers.

Except that it will most definitely be hacked by the russians and chinese. This is the main reason they keep the voting offline.

I'm confused. I thought it was a hoax than any foreign government tried to influence our elections. Especially the Russians. I keep hearing the Russians didn't do anything to influence our elections.

I agree, you are confused.

Foreign governments TRIED to influence our elections but failed.

Former senior Trump administration official endorses Joe Biden

https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/17/politics/miles-taylor-trump-joe-biden-endorse/index.html

Miles Taylor, a former senior Trump administration official, endorsed Joe Biden's presidential campaign on Monday, becoming one of the highest-ranking former Trump administration officials to do so.

Taylor, who served as chief of staff to Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen, also accused President Donald Trump of repeatedly using his office for political purposes, including directing officials to cut wildfire relief funding to California because voters there overwhelmingly opposed him in 2016.
Taylor, a longtime Republican and political appointee at DHS from 2017 to 2019, endorsed the former vice president in a video produced by the group Republican Voters Against Trump in which he also made several allegations about Trump's conduct. He also wrote an op-ed published in The Washington Post calling the President "dangerous" for America.

"What we saw week in and week out, for me, after two and a half years in that administration, was terrifying. We would go in to try to talk to him about a pressing national security issue -- cyberattack, terrorism threat -- he wasn't interested in those things. To him, they weren't priorities," Taylor says in the video.

"Given what I have experienced in the administration, I have to support Joe Biden for president and even though I am not a Democrat, even though I disagree on key issues, I'm confident that Joe Biden will protect the country and I'm confident that he won't make the same mistakes as this President."
In the video, Taylor accuses Trump of directing FEMA to withhold disaster funding to California following devastating wildfires in that state because voters in that state had not voted for him for President.

"He told us to stop giving money to people whose houses had burned down from a wildfire because he was so rageful that people in the state of California didn't support him and that politically it wasn't a base for him," Taylor says in the video.

CNN has reached out to the White House for comment on Taylor's allegations.
Taylor also accused Trump of wanting to reapply the "zero-tolerance" immigration policy that separated migrant children from their families in a more draconian fashion in order to deter illegal immigration.

"He said he wanted to go further and have a deliberate policy of ripping children away from their parents to show those parents that they shouldn't come to the border in the first place," Taylor said in the video.
And when officials pushed back on many of Trump's demands because they were illegal or unfeasible, Taylor said Trump responded by citing "magical authorities" he claimed to have as President.

"He was one of the most unfocused and undisciplined senior executives I have ever encountered," Taylor said. "I came away completely equipped based on firsthand experience that the President was ill-equipped and wouldn't become equipped to do his job effectively -- and what's worse, was actively doing damage to our national security."

Taylor also said in his Washington Post op-ed that when Trump moved to close a section of the US-Mexico border in March 2019, he told officials that he opted for a section of the California-Mexico border -- rather than Texas or Arizona -- "because it would be better for him politically."

Taylor has worked at Google's public policy arm since leaving the Trump administration as its US lead for advanced technology and security strategy, but a source familiar with the matter said he took a leave of absence last week until Election Day in order engage more publicly in the 2020 presidential campaign.

Taylor has not had any conversations with the Biden campaign, the source said, but decided to approach the Republican Voters Against Trump group in order to speak out.

Other former senior Trump administration officials -- including most recently former national security adviser John Bolton -- have also spoken out against Trump, but few have taken the step of publicly endorsing Biden. Anthony Scaramucci, who briefly served as Trump's communications director, has also voiced his support for Biden.

Biden 'has an obligation to stand before the American people and answer the tough questions'

i think he does.

but if im his campaign manager, im telling him to let trump destroy himself like he's been doing this entire year.

if my enemy is hellbent on committing suicide....well, Alah Akbar!!

Nice touch with the "well, Alah Akbar!!"

Props.

December 2016: 'Ridiculous' conclusions

President-elect Trump called "ridiculous" reports that the CIA concluded that Russia intervened in the election to help him win the presidency.

“I think it’s ridiculous. I think it’s just another excuse I don’t believe it," Trump told Fox News. "I don’t know why and I think it’s just — you know, they talked about all sorts of things. Every week it’s another excuse. We had a massive landslide victory, as you know, in the Electoral College. No I don’t believe that at all.”

So when Trump said that he was wrong?

Still confused I see.

Like I said, they TRIED but failed.

While details of many of the hackings directed by Russian intelligence, particularly in Illinois and Arizona, are well known, the committee described “an unprecedented level of activity against state election infrastructure” intended largely to search for vulnerabilities in the security of the election systems.

It concluded that while there was no evidence that any votes were changed in actual voting machines, “Russian cyberactors were in a position to delete or change voter data” in the Illinois voter database. The committee found no evidence that they did so.

So now I am not confused. I see that you are saying Trump was wrong.
I can go forward from there.

Are you concerned that Russia or China will try to hack this election?

You are confused.We are talking about what would happen if online voting were a thing.

New Zealand delays election due to covid. By liberal standards, that makes them fascists.

You might have a point ... if NZ had not set up a panel to review election options including delaying the election ... or if the PM hadn't discussed this with political leaders before making the announcement ... or if they had a Congress or similar government structure like the USA.

But as it is ... you got NADA.

More lefty lies.

Trump never announced delaying the election, he asked if we should.

"Delay the elections???" He tweeted.

???- See those little squiggles?

They mean something.

Where did I say anything about what Trump said. Man you are striking out a LOT today.

Pa-Leeze.

When have you ever not mentioned Trump in a post?

???- see, them things again.

Deflection and lies. But thanks for playing. The post I responded to didn't mention Trump - just an incorrect statement about NZ and what the "Lib Media" would say. And I pointed out all the errors with his ass-umption.

But we know #factsdontmatter to you ... so we're good.

I read his above post about a half dozen times and cannot find any mention of Trump. So I guess that is at least once right there.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/17/politics/...kach/index.html

Nothing to see here.

I didn't know you were such a hacking expert. I mean, I just said it could be done safely and you say it can't. Should we talk security in programming? Penetration testing? The government doesn't get hacked as often as you think, they get phished way more often. That's how Russia got in, some dumbass gave them the keys.

They only need the login creds of somebody with 'read' privileges to steal data or emails, etc. BUT to hack a voting DB with records of votes to change the eventual outcome would have to happen in real time under close scrutiny during election day. AND they would need 'write' or 'delete' privileges to alter votes. This is incredibly unlikely with just basic security measures, let alone a plan to secure the system. If I am wrong, then all computers are just wide open to savage attacks all the time... which they are not.

They get in more than you think. There is no computer system that cant be hacked.

I trust that the Govt cybersecurity professionals know more about security than your wannabe hacker self does, and that the Govt doesnt want online voting for very valid reasons.

Look at #1.

https://digitalguardian.com/blog/top-10-biggest-us-government-data-breaches-all-time

I'll put my 'wannabe' skills up against yours any day. Stick with game promos. AND THEY DON'T DO IT BECAUSE IT CAN'T BE RIGGED! There is no logical reason it can't be done, NONE.

Trump retweets Russian propaganda about Biden that US intel agencies say is intended to influence 2020 election

https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/17/politics/...kach/index.html

So the intel community already labeled this as propaganda, and yet the clown tweeted it out anyway.

Again, why should Biden come out of his living room when his opponent is hellbent on doing the work for him?

I know I wouldn’t. I’d just kick back and refer to trumps tweets whenever I’m asked a question.

Because a true leader would lead and not be afraid to be exposed for his true self.

Bro, Trump might actually win, but I don't see any way the dems don't end up with both houses of congress AND this fool just keeps piling onto the impeachable offenses.

I'm no fanboy of the ticket, but what you just said carries zero weight. Biden was part of the team that led us away from the brink of depression in 08. He proved he can do the work, his mental gaffs are his only weak point. Trump has those daily AND MUCH WORSE. GOPers just think he's playing 3D chess while dems play checkers, I thought you were smarter.

Please. A real leader doesn’t live tweet Fox News all day and spread propaganda.

This is a competition. And in a competition, if your opponent is a moron literally handing you a victory, you don’t snatch defeat from those jaws.

Biden makes enough statements and will show up for the debates. Since trump is your boy now, you should help him out by telling him not to push birther conspiracies.

Eh, who am I kidding? A trump supporter(that’s you now) believes kamala isn’t a naturalized citizen. No point in giving you any serious responses. All I can expect is QAnon style BS.

Moving on...,

Why must you make every comment personal? Look OCD........I don't want to talk to you. Your constant insults and labeling tactics are undesirable.

Preach what you want to preach and I won't say a word. However, your childish digs and insults won't deter me from saying what I want to say. So, how about we ignore one another?

You are now resorting to making things up.

He could.

The direction he’s going right now? I dunno.

Atleast the Dems have a platform and a plan. Trump and the republicans have no platform and their only plan is fear mongering.

Although, I heard their slogan is Make America Great Again.

Makes you wonder what they were doing between 2017 and now......

What’s that? Sorry, I don’t speak MAGA.

Anyways, catch y’all tomorrow for a review of the convention nobody is watching lolololol

I just hope Vers doesn't get his wish and see Trump re elected. Because nothing to lose fascism is bad enough, but unbridled fascism will be very bad. Hell he might deport Vers wife, even though she's a citizen. He would do that to the squad if he could, in term two he would absolutely try. Guess that's the old "careful what you wish for" scenario...

That's what that button is for. But if you say things I disagree with, expect a reply from time to time, that's how this works. And I wasn't belittling you in any way. Just stating what I'm thinking. AND you know I don't want to talk to you either... mostly. But I still will.

Please don't talk about my wife.