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Do you think they helped as much as all the protesters marching in the streets during a pandemic?

Way more; you can't transmit a virus during a protest, only at rallies.

The voice of trump supporters. Less than 3.5 million dead American’s....that’s a win! Pfffft.

Stop with the Lib Logic already!

Yet it is true that it spreads in confined spaces more than it does outdoors. It's also true that if you can get the people who support you to wear masks instead of acting like morons that helps too.

Please stop with your herd immunity nonsense. It's almost as bad as your "it escaped from a lab in China!!!!!" malarkey.

Multiple people have posted in multiple threads how people will have long-lasting impediments on their quality of life due to Covid.

Doesn't hurt to actually listen to doctors or scientists, Purp. Catch up with the times.

The 3.5 million number? That has nothing to do with support for Trump.

Are you admitting the Left is responsible for all the ecomic shutdowns, you can't have it both ways.

One way saying the shutdowns are Trumps fault,

Other way saying The Democrats are right for shutting things down.

Trump, stopped flights from China EARLY! (and Europe too, a different time when it became a worse contaminator,) When Biden was still denying you shouldn't go out, be in crowds, and not worry.
Trump was helping to overcome this virus when the democrats were still denying it was a thing,
So, of course, the democrats try revisionist history, (lies) and say Trump didn't do enough so it's all his fault.

They're talking localy about the Dewine impeachment.

One comment this talking head representative said,
Batali, Nino,

10% of everyone employed in Ohio is in the Restaurant Business.

1 of every 2 restaurants in the state of Ohio say they will not be open this time next year.

So I can ignore this, but, in all the beginning of this,
Someone said, On the radio, " you know they aren't having students at OSU,
and I brushed it off, .. It was March or earlier, ehh,

Now, it's August, not even 6 months, there's not a student in a classroom anywhere in the Country,
as a rule, (there's exceptions) but as a rule.

Bye the Bye...

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) on Friday dropped its recommendation for travelers to quarantine for 14 days upon returning from trips overseas or out of state during the coronavirus pandemic.

Yet the governors of New York, New Jersey and Connecticut have failed to comment or lift their quarantines.

What gives?

Some people look out for their people. Some bend to the will of politics. New York is doing better against the spread of covid than any other state in the nation. Why would they change what they're doing?

New York Has Lowest Coronavirus Spread Rate In The Nation, Cuomo Says

https://www.forbes.com/sites/sergeiklebn...e/#2e16a619579f

Fauci holds up New York as model for fighting coronavirus — ‘They did it correctly’

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/18/fauci-ho...-correctly.html

if it ain't broke don't fix it.

Always the same with you.

Out of one side of your neck you cry, "Listen to the Scientists!"
Out of the other side of your neck you cry, "Listen to the Democrat governors over the scientists!

Way too much basement time.

Ecomics are still in production. Nobody shut down ecomics.

Fauci is a scientist.

Wow.

NY has 33,000 deaths from covid. Next closest in deaths is NJ, with 16,000.

Great job, NY. Your daily cases are dropping because so many had it? You lead the country in deaths. 4th highest case count. That's a great job?

https://www.worldometers.info/coronaviru...QwDWrGiA8f_swXc

Cuomo said NY was doing better than anybody else. It must be true. We're just supposed to overlook the fact that they have twice as many deaths as the second place state, and a LOT more than even the royally mismanaged states down south.

Yup. Doing a great job NY.

Someone tell me there isn't a bias going on here.

He's trying to help those not as mentally gifted to find their way.

The royally mismanaged states down South are on the other side of the spike and trending down. Or, at least, Georgia is.

We all be doin' pert good down here in Ginny too, once we stopped listening to our Black Face wearing, Michael Jackson dancing Democrat Govna.

They're just following Cuomo's lead.

Florida has been on the down slide for 2 full weeks now, and even though we have had 10k deaths statewide, 4500 of those come from the 3 counties surrounding Miami, and 264k of the 600k positive tests.

edit: covid 19 killer

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He is now. But you'll never admit the truth. You support a man who has screwed it up from day one and still is. You would never support someone who actually learned from their mistakes.

https://www.pharmacist.com/article/fda-grossly-misrepresented-blood-plasma-data-scientists-say


Shocker .... Trump manipulated the science to make a splashy headline.

I guess it's sort of funny how the Trump supporter keeps repeating the Trump lies expecting one day that they will be true.

FDA chief apologizes for overstating plasma effect on virus
CORONAVIRUS
Responding to outcries from medical experts, FDA Commissioner is admitting he overstated the life-saving benefits of treating COVID-19 patients with convalescent plasma

by: MATTHEW PERRONE and DEB RIECHMANN, Associated Press

Posted: Aug 25, 2020 / 11:31 AM EDT / Updated: Aug 25, 2020 / 11:31 AM EDT
President Donald Trump listens as Dr. Stephen Hahn, commissioner of the U.S. Food and Drug Administration, speaks during a media briefing in the James Brady Briefing Room of the White House, Sunday, Aug. 23, 2020, in Washington.
President Donald Trump listens as Dr. Stephen Hahn, commissioner of the U.S. Food and Drug Administration, speaks during a media briefing in the James Brady Briefing Room of the White House, Sunday, Aug. 23, 2020, in Washington. (AP Photo/Alex Brandon)

WASHINGTON (AP) — Responding to an outcry from medical experts, Food and Drug Administration Commissioner Stephen Hahn on Tuesday apologized for overstating the life-saving benefits of treating COVID-19 patients with convalescent plasma.

Scientists and medical experts have been pushing back against the claims about the treatment since President Donald Trump’s announcement on Sunday that the FDA had decided to issue emergency authorization for convalescent plasma, taken from patients who have recovered from the coronavirus and rich in antibodies.

President Trump announces plasma treatment authorized for COVID-19
Trump hailed the decision as a historic breakthrough even though the treatment’s value has not been established. The announcement on the eve of Trump’s Republican National Convention raised suspicions that it was politically motivated to offset critics of the president’s handling of the pandemic.

Hahn had echoed Trump in saying that 35 more people out of 100 would survive the coronavirus if they were treated with the plasma. That claim vastly overstated preliminary findings of Mayo Clinic observations.

Hahn’s mea culpa comes at a critical point for the FDA which, under intense pressure from the White House, is responsible for deciding whether upcoming vaccines are safe and effective in preventing COVID-19.

The 35% figure drew condemnation from other scientists and some former FDA officials, who called on Hahn to correct the record.

“I have been criticized for remarks I made Sunday night about the benefits of convalescent plasma. The criticism is entirely justified. What I should have said better is that the data show a relative risk reduction not an absolute risk reduction,” Hahn tweeted.

The FDA made the decision based on data the Mayo Clinic collected from hospitals around the country that were using plasma on patients in wildly varying ways — and there was no comparison group of untreated patients, meaning no conclusions can be drawn about overall survival. People who received plasma with the highest levels of antibodies fared better than those given plasma with fewer antibodies, and those treated sooner after diagnosis fared better than those treated later.

Hahn and other Trump administration officials presented the difference as an absolute survival benefit, rather than a relative difference between two treatment groups. Former FDA officials said the misstatement was inexcusable, particularly for a cancer specialist like Hahn.

“It’s extraordinary to me that a person involved in clinical trials could make that mistake,” said Dr. Peter Lurie, a former FDA official under the Obama administration who now leads the nonprofit Center for Science in the Public Interest. “It’s mind-boggling.”

The 35% benefit was repeated by Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar at Sunday’s briefing and promoted on Twitter by the FDA’s communication staff. The number did not appear in FDA’s official letter justifying the emergency authorization.

Hahn has been working to bolster confidence in the agency’s scientific process, stating in interviews and articles that the FDA will only approve a vaccine that meets preset standards for safety and efficacy.

Lurie said Hahn’s performance at the press conference undermined his credibility, particularly among FDA staff.

“I think within the agency his credibility is massively reduced as a result,” Lurie said.

Hahn pushed back Tuesday morning against suggestions that the plasma announcement was timed to boost Trump ahead of the Republican convention.

“The professionals and the scientists at FDA independently made this decision, and I completely support them,” Hahn said, appearing on “CBS This Morning.”

Trump has recently accused some FDA staff, without evidence, of deliberately holding up new treatments “for political reasons.” And Trump’s chief of staff, Mark Meadows, said over the weekend that FDA scientists “need to feel the heat.”

The administration has sunk vast resources into the race for a vaccine, and Trump aides have been hoping that swift progress could help the president ahead of November’s election.

At Sunday’s briefing Hahn did not correct Trump’s description of the regulatory move as a “breakthrough.” He also did not contradict Trump’s unsupported claim of a “deep state” effort at the agency working to slow down approvals.

Former FDA officials said the political pressure and attacks against the FDA carry enormous risk of undermining trust in the agency just when it’s needed most. A vaccine will only be effective against the virus if it is widely taken by the U.S. population.

“I think the constant pressure, the name-calling, the perception that decisions are made under pressure is damaging,” said Dr. Jesse Goodman of Georgetown University, who previously served as FDA’s chief scientist. “We need the American people to have full confidence that medicines and vaccines are safe.”

Convalescent plasma is a century-old approach to treating the flu, measles and other viruses. But the evidence so far has not been conclusive about whether it works, when to administer it and what dose is needed.

The FDA emergency authorization is expected to increase its availability to additional hospitals. But more than 70,000 Americans have already received the therapy under FDA’s “expanded access” program. That program tracks patients’ response, but cannot prove whether the plasma played a role in their recovery.

Some scientists worry the broadened FDA access to the treatment will make it harder to complete studies of whether the treatment actually works. Those studies require randomizing patients to either receive plasma or a dummy infusion.

j/c

Exclusive: Fauci says rushing out a vaccine could jeopardize testing of others

CHICAGO/NEW YORK (Reuters) - The top U.S. infectious diseases expert is warning that distributing a COVID-19 vaccine under special emergency use guidelines before it has been proved safe and effective in large trials is a bad idea that could have a chilling effect on the testing of other vaccines.

Scientists and health experts have expressed concern that President Donald Trump will apply pressure on the U.S. Food and Drug Administration to deliver a vaccine before November to boost his chances of re-election.

Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, declined to comment on the president, but said there are risks in rushing out a vaccine despite the urgent need.

“The one thing that you would not want to see with a vaccine is getting an EUA (emergency use authorization) before you have a signal of efficacy,” Fauci told Reuters in a phone interview.

“One of the potential dangers if you prematurely let a vaccine out is that it would make it difficult, if not impossible, for the other vaccines to enroll people in their trial,” Fauci said.

Large-scale clinical trials of the leading vaccine candidates from Moderna Inc (MRNA.O), Pfizer Inc (PFE.N) andAstraZeneca Plc (AZN.L), which aim to enroll tens of thousands of volunteers, were launched in recent weeks. Johnson & Johnson (JNJ.N) last week said it hopes to include 60,000 subjects in its Phase III vaccine trial.

Trump stoked concerns of politicizing the regulatory approval process with an announcement on Sunday of an emergency use authorization for plasma from recovered COVID-19 patients to treat current patients before its benefits have been assessed in randomized, placebo-controlled clinical trials.

Trump had tweeted on Saturday that “deep state” elements at the FDA were delaying progress on drugs and vaccines until after the Nov. 3 election in order to hurt his reelection bid.

Safe and effective vaccines are seen as essential to ending the pandemic that has claimed the lives of more than 800,000 people worldwide, over 177,000 of them in the United States.

But vaccine experts worry that the White House may apply pressure on the FDA to push out a vaccine via an EUA before it has been fully tested - a pathway that has never been used to approve a vaccine intended for widespread use.

“I would be very worried about using an EUA mechanism for something like a vaccine. It’s very different from plasma therapy,” said Dr. Peter Hotez, an infectious disease expert and vaccine researcher at Baylor College of Medicine.

Fauci said the FDA’s guidance on vaccines - both for full approval and for an EUA - explicitly requires a demonstration that it is both safe and effective.

An EUA is typically used for products to “diagnose, prevent and treat serious or life-threatening diseases where the known benefits outweigh the potential risks of the product,” Fauci said.

An EUA might be appropriate once studies have shown safety and effectiveness, but before the FDA has completed its formal review of the company’s marketing application, he said.

“To me, it’s absolutely paramount that you definitively show that a vaccine is safe and effective, both,” Fauci said. “We would hope that nothing interferes with the full demonstration that a vaccine is safe and effective.”

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-healt...s-idUSKBN25K2M0

Florida confirmed 9K new COVID-19 cases among children within 15 days as schools reopen

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch...-within-15-days

RIP to the kids who died. never stood a chance.

remember, florida is filled with senior citizens and older people who still have school aged kids living at home.

hope its worth it.

They don’t care if it works or not. They’ve already claimed anything less then 3.5 mil deaths on trumps watch is a win.

CDC changes coronavirus testing guidance; asymptomatic people no longer require test
CDC estimates 40 percent of those infected by the novel coronavirus don’t show symptoms

https://www.foxnews.com/health/cdc-coronavirus-testing-guidance-change

CDC was pressured 'from the top down' to change coronavirus testing guidance, official says

https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/26/politics/cdc-coronavirus-testing-guidance/index.html

Its is only being done to help trump and his numbers. If we were truly trying to fight this with everything we had there would be much more testing. trumps decisions to help him get re-elected kills US citizens.

As a side note I was tested for work reasons on Monday. A monthly testing protocol. Then yesterday I went and saw a client in a known COVID facility. Today I got my test result back from Monday’s test. I was negative. Now I wait 3-14 days to see if my PPE yesterday did it’s job. Plus I’m now not allowed in most other facilities for 14 days bacause I was in a COVID facility. Regardless of the PPE I wore...which was a zip up hazmat type suit, an N95, a cotton mask cover, face shield, and bootie covers.
Weird times.

A very close friend of ours is a Nurse in a Hospital.
She caught the virus.
Quarantined for 14 days.

She said she became very ill for 3 days, didn't even want to read any books which she loves to do.

Then she started to improve and was back to work on day 15.

She is 60 years old.
Feels great.

Thanks, 40'. Great news...

BACK!

Back to your own side of the border!

...

Sounds like the flu.

Fauci says he was in surgery when task force discussed CDC testing guidelines
https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/26/politics/fauci-coronavirus-cdc-testing/index.html