... And the point about my comments on business is that so many conservatives show more outrage over the response than they do the situation that led up to it. Damn near every single time. ...
I think you are 100% right.
But to be fair to conservatives, there can be a discussion about that... What justifies outrage? Should people feel more anger over one than the other? why?
I think people are largely motivated to feel anger/outrage over things that effect them or are a threat to them.
Put yourself in the shoes of an average white suburban conservative that has chosen to live in a place with great schools, low crime, and a police dept with a great reputation. What threatens you?
Originally Posted By: Swish
... It’s like damn y’all best defense is to claim you don’t care about each other that much, so no one else matters either?
Yikes.
It is constantly flying over conservatives heads that the reforms we want and the protest we engage in BENEFITS WHITE PEOPLE TOO.
But y’all constantly in favor of policies that lead to your own demise. It’s like damn, maybe y’all DO like authoritarianism. Maybe you DO like totalitarian regimes. Maybe you DO like law enforcement beating up on local population in the name of “law and order”. ...
Let's just be honest about Conservative viewpoints and there lack of lack of sympathy for even minor criminal behavior...
I don't think the average Conservative views the criminal reforms you are talking about as a benefit. In my experience, conservatives have very little tolerance for people that commit crimes, regardless of race, and often perceive removing the criminals from society as the most beneficial outcome. It removes the threat posed by repeated criminal behavior. No surprise then that they are also the people most likely to support the death penalty.
They also don't forgive easily either and given that white Conservatives are typically also Christians, the mild hypocrisy is not lost on me.
Unless they happen to be white collar crimes. They seem not to mind those as bad.
Maybe. I don't know if there is a difference in liberals and conservatives on the balance between white and blue collar crimes (is blue collar the right term for the opposite of white collar crime?).
the government was all cool with alcohol...until all of a sudden, they weren't. they literally created criminals out of people overnight.
we made criminals out of people overnight for simply doing drugs, that the act by itself doesn't interfere with anyone else's rights.
conservatives talk about limited government, but then just blindly follows along with whatever government decides to make illegal.
and a lot of this crap is based on whatever biblical text they want to bring up.
for god sakes, conservatives were fine with making interracial marriage illegal.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
the government was all cool with alcohol...until all of a sudden, they weren't. they literally created criminals out of people overnight.
we made criminals out of people overnight for simply doing drugs, that the act by itself doesn't interfere with anyone else's rights.
conservatives talk about limited government, but then just blindly follows along with whatever government decides to make illegal.
and a lot of this crap is based on whatever biblical text they want to bring up.
for god sakes, conservatives were fine with making interracial marriage illegal.
Well, we can't just disobey laws that we disagree with. That sovereign citizen stuff won't get anyone anywhere. Obeying laws that you disagree with is just part of having a government (and most of us cheat on the little things if we know we can get away with it). But we don't live in a dictatorship, we can change the laws that we don't like, and changing big, complicated problems for the better is hard and takes a long time. Being in a minority group (of any kind; racial, idealogical, whatever) that desires change can be difficult because you have to convince the majority that your problems are worth solving and your solutions are good. I am sympathetic to this disadvantage, but the only way to overcome it is to win the majority of people over to your side. That's why I am glad that so many people like yourself are condemning the rioters, because they are like poison to your ideas. They will turn the general public against your effort to improve the system.
We can certainly question why some laws exist and why certain actions all if a sudden became criminal.
You took it left field with that sovereign citizen comment. No where near anything I was implying.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
I get on your case sometimes, but that is only because a couple of people told me about your PMs back in the day about how you were trying to get them to gang-up on me.
However, you are the only left-leaning member to actually acknowledge what this black man said. I applaud you for being honest.
I'm gonna be real here:
--Police shooting and killing blacks is a problem.
--Black-on-black crime is a problem.
--Child trafficking is a problem.
--Too many children born out of wedlock is a problem.
--Domestic abuse is a problem.
--Child abuse is a problem.
--Brothers and sisters living together w/different fathers is a problem.
--Drug abuse is a problem.
--Violence is a problem.
--Destroying our cities is a problem.
I could go on and on and on........but, here is the thing.
The sports-world only boycotts the shooting of the first bullet point. They ignore every other injustice.
This board is a microcosm of what is occurring across the country. How in the hell can you ignore the child sex trafficking trade and focus ONLY on police brutality. How the hell can you ignore the drive-by shootings by the scum gang-bangers and only concentrate on a police shooting a few black men? I call "hypocrisy." And before anyone twists my words around...........I am 100 percent against police shooting these men. 100%!!!!
But, how the hell do folks ignore all the rest?
And I guarantee that there are a lot of working white folks and even black folks who are succeeding in life that are paying attention to the double standards. Just like they did when y'all were dancing in the streets four years ago about how Hillary was going to trounce Trump.
And to punch home the point...........I am going to say something that I have said before, but some seemingly forget when they try and poke fun w/their dumb-ass hashtags.
One of my favorite students of all-time was raped and murdered after she left my classroom and was walking home by 3 punk-ass gang-bangers. I despise the gangs. With a freaking passion. And you guys can shove that hashtag up your collective asses.
You get your trumpian brown shirts yet or are they on back order? I mean you are buying a gun because you are scared of BLM, so I expect next you will get your torch and swastika...
It must be an upscale thing to be so scared (Rand)... BUT when you get them Trumpian tools shove them up your ass.
You get your trumpian brown shirts yet or are they on back order? I mean you are buying a gun because you are scared of BLM, so I expect next you will get your torch and swastika...
It must be an upscale thing to be so scared (Rand)... BUT when you get them Trumpian tools shove them up your ass.
Rand and his wife were attacked while trying to walk back to their hotel.I saw the whole tape on my beloved Fox News. They finally got a Cop to help them .He got shoved until he lost his balance. Anybody that condones this kind of punkass action can kiss my ass.
Whiny Rand wasn't attacked, he was protested. Nobody laid a finger on him and that cop got shoved after he did some shoving of his own. ANYONE who served and swore to protect this country and still backs Trump is somebody who doesn't count. You don't count anymore.
You get your trumpian brown shirts yet or are they on back order? I mean you are buying a gun because you are scared of BLM, so I expect next you will get your torch and swastika...
It must be an upscale thing to be so scared (Rand)... BUT when you get them Trumpian tools shove them up your ass.
Today, U.S. Senator Rand Paul (R-KY) introduced the Justice for Breonna Taylor Act to prohibit no-knock warrants, which allow law enforcement officials to forcibly enter a home without announcing their authority or purpose.
The bill is named in memory and honor of Breonna Taylor, a Louisville resident and EMT who was killed during a police raid on her home in March 2020, which was conducted under the authority of a no-knock warrant.
“After talking with Breonna Taylor’s family, I’ve come to the conclusion that it’s long past time to get rid of no-knock warrants. This bill will effectively end no-knock raids in the United States,” said Sen. Paul.
Earlier this week, Senator Paul held a call with Breonna Taylor’s aunt, Bianca Austin, Game Changers Executive Director Christopher 2X, and others fighting for criminal justice reform, where he reiterated his long-standing commitment to ensuring a just and fair system that respects all Americans’ rights, including the need to end no-knock warrants.
Senator Paul’s Justice for Breonna Taylor Act would require federal law enforcement officers to provide notice of their authority and purpose before they could execute a warrant, and it would require the same of any state or local law enforcement agency that receives funds from the Department of Justice.
During his time in Congress, Senator Paul has reached across the aisle and worked with both parties to achieve needed change, sponsoring or cosponsoring over 20 pieces of legislation.
You can read Senator Paul’s Justice for Breonna Taylor Act
It's past time that we adjust/change/correct the legislation that led to Ms. Taylor's death.
I don't care who the legislator is, or what color rag (s)he wears into the arena... if (s)he brings corrective measures to the floor, my tax dollars are working the way they are supposed to work.
Every action our legislative body takes is supposed to make things better for We The People. It's specifically stated in the mandate that sent them to Washington in the first place.
In this particular instance, it really is in America's best interest that John Q. and Jane Q. Public be free from the fear that their front door will be splintered by paramilitary forces while they are watching the latest episode of Top Chef.
--Police shooting and killing blacks is a problem.
--Black-on-black crime is a problem.
--Child trafficking is a problem.
--Too many children born out of wedlock is a problem.
--Domestic abuse is a problem.
--Child abuse is a problem.
--Brothers and sisters living together w/different fathers is a problem.
--Drug abuse is a problem.
--Violence is a problem.
--Destroying our cities is a problem.
I could go on and on and on........but, here is the thing.
The sports-world only boycotts the shooting of the first bullet point. They ignore every other injustice.
This board is a microcosm of what is occurring across the country. How in the hell can you ignore the child sex trafficking trade and focus ONLY on police brutality.
NBA players have set up charities that address many of these issues. For example, the LBJ Charity Does really great work in the Akron Area, especially on poverty and education.
I think you are missing the point that different issues require different responses. There is nobody who is "pro-human trafficking" --- and so it doesn't make sense to boycott an event to highlight it. The best thing to do is donate money - so that human rights organizations can hire people to track traffickers, and rescue children.
Police Shootings are very different. There is a substantial part of the US who think that every police shooting of a minority is justified (nobody will say that as a blanket statement, but plenty of people on this board will come out and justify every individual event). Moreover, there is a broken culture in police forces that is extremely racist - and is self perpetuating.
Unlike child trafficking, black-on-black crime, domestic abuse, etc, police brutality isn't something that can be solved with money. The police have plenty of money, and have a culture that cultivates brutality. They are the authority. This is an area where you need to bring attention, and where you need to stage a boycott.
--Police shooting and killing blacks is a problem.
--Black-on-black crime is a problem.
--Child trafficking is a problem.
--Too many children born out of wedlock is a problem.
--Domestic abuse is a problem.
--Child abuse is a problem.
--Brothers and sisters living together w/different fathers is a problem.
--Drug abuse is a problem.
--Violence is a problem.
--Destroying our cities is a problem.
I could go on and on and on........but, here is the thing.
The sports-world only boycotts the shooting of the first bullet point. They ignore every other injustice.
This board is a microcosm of what is occurring across the country. How in the hell can you ignore the child sex trafficking trade and focus ONLY on police brutality.
NBA players have set up charities that address many of these issues. For example, the LBJ Charity Does really great work in the Akron Area, especially on poverty and education.
I think you are missing the point that different issues require different responses. There is nobody who is "pro-human trafficking" --- and so it doesn't make sense to boycott an event to highlight it. The best thing to do is donate money - so that human rights organizations can hire people to track traffickers, and rescue children.
Police Shootings are very different. There is a substantial part of the US who think that every police shooting of a minority is justified (nobody will say that as a blanket statement, but plenty of people on this board will come out and justify every individual event). Moreover, there is a broken culture in police forces that is extremely racist - and is self perpetuating.
Unlike child trafficking, black-on-black crime, domestic abuse, etc, police brutality isn't something that can be solved with money. The police have plenty of money, and have a culture that cultivates brutality. They are the authority. This is an area where you need to bring attention, and where you need to stage a boycott.
Well said and impossible to disagree with. Clearly.
The more things change the more they stay the same.
It was very well said, but it is not impossible to disagree with. That is clearly your opinion. Lukeyoda used dramatic phrasing like 'substantial', 'extremely', 'plenty of people'...all clearly opinions. And to cite this board as evidence of anything is shortsighted to say the least.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
Well on a discussion board, when one person presents a popular talking point and perspective, and then someone eloquently and articulately counters the original point, dismantling each and every point in a polite way .... and the response is to close the conversation, to me that indicates that the debate has been proven beyond the point of debate. Just how I see it. It seems to be a trend on these boards: make a claim, statement, position of perspective on a topic ... receive feedback and differing opinions (the point of a discussion board) .... and then the person who made the original statements claims they are being shouted down or their opinion is being suppressed (clearly not the case) and then shutting down the conversation rather than try to discuss, expand, inquire, counter, educate or be educated.
The more things change the more they stay the same.
It was very well said, but it is not impossible to disagree with. That is clearly your opinion. Lukeyoda used dramatic phrasing like 'substantial', 'extremely', 'plenty of people'...all clearly opinions. And to cite this board as evidence of anything is shortsighted to say the least.
I disagree w/what Lukeyoda was saying, but I'm not going to call him out over it. I think it's important that all people be allowed to express their opinions w/out being ridiculed, mocked, and having their character questioned. I also don't feel the need to shout him down and have no interest in trying to change his opinions. Freedom of thought and expression are important to me. So, while I disagree w/his take on the situation, I fully believe he has the right to voice his opinions on the matter.
