None of what you just said changes the fact that your response to Lukeyoda was an opinion stated as fact.
It's a shame that Vers didn't continue the discussion because I think his post highlights a point that is being overlooked. No matter how many times someone shouts "they have other initiatives for those other things!" I think it's hard for the average Joe Schmoe to reconcile the passion they see for stopping police brutality with the lack of the same amount of passion for these other things. I am not saying it's true that there is a lack of passion for these other things or that things aren't being done, but perception is reality, and it is not common knowledge about efforts to fix all of these things. It creates a disproportionate sense of weight to what is really important and what isn't. When you are trying to convince a group of people to see something your way and help you affect change and they are struggling with this concept, it's going to make it a lot harder to get them on your side.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
It's a shame that Vers didn't continue the discussion because I think his post highlights a point that is being overlooked.
I would gladly have an intelligent and fair conversation on the topic. It's just almost impossible to do that on this board though. People misrepresent intentions. They lie about what is being said. They ridicule, insult, and mock others for contrary opinions. I find it best to just say what I want and move on.
Disclaimer: I am not saying that Lukeyoda. I don't know him well enough to say one way or the other. I just thought it best to let his opinions on the matter stand unchallenged.
None of what you just said changes the fact that your response to Lukeyoda was an opinion stated as fact.
It's a shame that Vers didn't continue the discussion because I think his post highlights a point that is being overlooked. No matter how many times someone shouts "they have other initiatives for those other things!" I think it's hard for the average Joe Schmoe to reconcile the passion they see for stopping police brutality with the lack of the same amount of passion for these other things. I am not saying it's true that there is a lack of passion for these other things or that things aren't being done, but perception is reality, and it is not common knowledge about efforts to fix all of these things. It creates a disproportionate sense of weight to what is really important and what isn't. When you are trying to convince a group of people to see something your way and help you affect change and they are struggling with this concept, it's going to make it a lot harder to get them on your side.
I wasn't trying to write something that couldn't be argued with.
I believe that the techniques you use to right the wrongs committed by those in power are very different than the techniques you use to right the wrongs of those that are not in power.
That doesn't mean one thing is more important than the other - per se.
I also object to the "whataboutism" where everybody has to spend all of their effort fixing whatever the author decides is the "biggest wrong" in society. We saw this in the NBA's extremely weak response to China (which I've criticized) -- and now we are seeing this with the "why aren't they talking about trafficking".
Why didn't Gandhi care about starvation? Why wasn't MLK fighting against domestic abuse? Why doesn't Greta Thunberg care about inner city violence or David Hogg about the climate? We can't advance as a society if the only person who is allowed to lead is us is flawless.
Officials Blame Sacramento Antifa For Vandalism After Jacob Blake Protest, Call In National Guard
SACRAMENTO (CBS13) — As they prepare for more planned protests on Friday, authorities are vowing to stop and prosecute the people behind the unrest that took place in Downtown Sacramento on Thursday night after demonstrations over the police shooting of Wisconsin man Jacob Blake.
Crews were boarding up windows and cleaning up broken glass outside the Sacramento County district attorney’s office overnight.
Sacramento County District Attorney Anne Marie Schubert had harsh words for the group who appeared to be behind the destruction.
“The Sacramento District Attorney’s Office was targeted last night by a domestic terrorist and anarchist organization – Sacramento Antifa. This attack was planned,” Schubert wrote in a statement on Friday.
“These anarchists have waged attacks across this country, in major urban cities, including Portland, Seattle and Denver. Their tactics are rooted in organized violence and terror,” Schubert continued.
Now, a fence is put up to keep those who are planning destruction, out.
The building was one of the hardest hit during Thursday night’s demonstrations. Sacramento police say the crowd dispersed around 11 p.m. – but not before causing significant damage throughout downtown.
What started as a peaceful protest Thursday, organized by local group J.U.I.C.E. Sacramento, turned destructive when a second group of people in riot gear started setting fire to government buildings, including the district attorney’s office.
Demonstrators broke windows, spray-painted government buildings and set fires as they walked from Cesar Chavez Plaza to the State Capitol building and back.
It appears the vandals mostly hit government buildings, including a sheriff’s building.
Sacramento County Sheriff Scott Jones said his department had reached out to the California Office of Emergency Services and has requested help from the National Guard.
“It’s been one day and I’m already over it,” Jones said at a Friday press conference where he too excoriated Antifa for the destruction.
The District Attorney’s Office released video Friday, asking the community to identify those responsible in the video.
“Expect to be treated according to your conduct,” said Sheriff Jones.
So how do city leaders feel about the vandalism and destruction in the city?
Sacramento City Councilmember Angelique Ashby said she is proud of the peaceful protests, but said what happened after takes away from the first group’s messages.
“I hope folks don’t lean towards destruction and chaos. I don’t think its necessary, and I don’t think it makes the point they want to make I think were better than that,” Ashby said.
J.U.I.C.E. held the peaceful march through downtown on Thursday. While marching towards the State Capitol, the group ran into Sacramento Mayor Darrell Steinberg, who was having dinner nearby.
“You say one thing, but your actions and then when you go behind closed doors is something totally different,” Nehemiah Johnson from J.U.I.C.E. was heard telling Steinberg.
“That’s not true,” Steinberg replied.
Earlier in the day, the mayor released a statement saying the city was expecting two protests on Thursday. He pleaded with demonstrators to not vandalize or destroy Sacramento businesses.
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“My reaction is that I have great respect for people who are willing to come out to the streets peacefully,” Steinberg said.
Those with J.U.I.C.E. said they won’t protest by breaking windows or instigating violence.
“We have our way that we feel like is going to be the most effective, but we certainly don’t judge anybody else’s way,” said Meg White, with J.U.I.C.E.
Police said no arrests were made on Thursday night, but detectives will be following up on reports of vandalism.
We can’t address race relations in tUSA on a micro level, this is a macro problem. Comparing the ills of humanity, to systemic racism does absolutely nothing for us.
The people not showing compassion to BLM, are the the same people that brought us here. Right and wrong is not debatable.
They're not going to stop. What you have to do is actually listen. Protests are peaceful. Riots are not. If people could remove their heads from where they're firmly planted, it's not that hard to figure out the difference.
People are tired of watching other people who look like them being killed by the police. When they stop protesting nothing ever gets done.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
They're not going to stop. What you have to do is actually listen. Protests are peaceful. Riots are not. If people could remove their heads from where they're firmly planted, it's not that hard to figure out the difference.
People are tired of watching other people who look like them being killed by the police. When they stop protesting nothing ever gets done.
And last night again was a bad night. A group of trump supporters had a caravan that happened to have their route go right thru Portland. There was some violence from both sides and member of the caravan was shot and killed. They don't know how it happened.
Tear gas was being deployed in DC. I saw a live stream-at the time I watched, there didn't seem to be that many protesting. i was busy most of the day and didn't look at the stream until about 11pm.
and trump is supposed to go to Kenosha on Tuesday-I think that is going to add more fuel to the fire-
Adding fuel to the fire is his specialty. I wonder how many from the right will be talking about the caravan being outside agitators and spreading violence? I'm not holding my breath on that one.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
Adding fuel to the fire is his specialty. I wonder how many from the right will be talking about the caravan being outside agitators and spreading violence? I'm not holding my breath on that one.
I thought only a small percentage of people are being lawless. Is that only for one side?
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
Maybe you can do the math on what percentage 200 is out of 2000. I'll give you a hint. It's 10%. And yet people exactly like myself have condemned the lawless acts that are being committed. We have advocated they be arrested and convicted for their crimes.
And I'm still waiting....
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
Aren't you the one who is always stating that there is a difference between peaceful protest and rioters? And that the unlawful rioters are a small percentage of the protesters? I just thought it was funny you now wanted to shine light on the unlawfulness because it was the other side.
As to waiting ... do I owe you something?
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
You don't owe anyone anything. And I certainly didn't expect anything. You didn't disappoint.
Like I said and you wish to ignore because you really don't have an answer for it... I have called out those who are committing crimes from the left. Yet I certainly don't expect you to do the same.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
If he shot the guy they can hang him, but NGO is putting him on front street without even knowing if he was the shooter! Very dangerous and irresponsible of NGO.
If he shot the guy they can hang him, but NGO is putting him on front street without even knowing if he was the shooter! Very dangerous and irresponsible of NGO.
I'm guessing the authorities have named him.
At DT, context and meaning are a scarecrow kicking at moving goalposts.
If he shot the guy they can hang him, but NGO is putting him on front street without even knowing if he was the shooter! Very dangerous and irresponsible of NGO.
I'm guessing the authorities have named him.
Not officially - but anonymous sources affiliated with the police have:
I challenge any MSM reporter or Dem who has repeated the lie that these are "mostly peaceful protests" to prove it and show up to a "protest" in Portland this week for a few hours wearing a red #MAGA hat...Then come back and let us all know how "peaceful" things went for you!
Conservatives still whining about the TVs that cost 25 bucks to build in a country they despised, which is also insured anyway. Those stores are getting their money back.
People who are killed by cops unjustly are not getting their lives back.
There are a lot of businesses that don't insure against everything (there are lots of types of insurance to consider) and a lot of innocent business owners are going to lose everything. Insurance gets expensive and when there is a lot of crime, the cost of some insurance just goes up.
I know that you didn't mean it like this, but you are coming close to using insurance as a rationalization for crime. Just be mindful of this. It's a slippery slope because homes and lives can be insured as well. Doesn't make it okay to burn down someones home or, as you pointed out, murder someone.
He did mean it like that. This is one reason why BLM is a terrorist organization.
The right is a radical extremist group. The alt right is a terrorist organization. Trump is just human scum.
The left is a radical extremist group. BLM is by FBI definition a terrorist organization. Biden is a puppet with alt left socialist hands up his ass.
Let me fact check for you:
No, Black Lives Matter is not a terrorist organization
Quote:
IF YOUR TIME IS SHORT The State Department keeps a list of foreign groups that have been formally designated terrorist organizations. Black Lives Matter, a domestic organization, is not on it.
There is no legal process for designating domestic groups as terrorist organizations.
Black Lives Matter is not listed as a perpetrator group in a global database of nearly 200,000 terrorism incidents.
Well anyways .....nearly 200,000 Americans lives lost under trump’s America, trump’s virus. American streets are on fire under trumps watch.
Now trump steps off the golf course to visit Kenosha. he's trying to turn racial unrest into an election advantage and fan the flames of hate. trump’s America
“state and local leaders urged Trump not to come to Kenosha. In a letter to the president, Wisconsin Gov. Tony Evers said, "I am concerned your presence will only hinder our healing."
‘Evers wrote he is concerned the visit "will require a massive redirection" of resources to support the president's visit "when it is critical that we continue to remain focused on keeping the people of Kenosha safe and supporting the community's response."
In trump’s America minorities don’t get equal support or equal safeguards.
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson.
Nope last call in Ohio is at 10 PM. No drinks served after 10 PM and bars must be closed by 11 PM
I question the sanity of anyone hanging out and chilling at a bar during this pandemic that trump supporters call a hoax. Especially down south in those red states that can’t get the trump virus under control at all.
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson.
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