I might have to settle for another type of gun because the ones I want are "out of stock" in every site I have visited. I put requests in to be notified when they become available, but time is running out.
I have to add..........while I have guns, I am not a gun guy. I used to love to hunt. That's it. I don't get off like most do on simply shooting a gun at a target. I am not bad-mouthing those who do. Just saying that is not me. For years, my son and my friends before him have tried to talk me into getting more guns, but I always said my fists were my guns. This C thing that I have along w/being 63 years old is changing things. Not sure if I can beat anyone's ass anymore. I have to protect my wife and pups if it comes down to it. I never had a problem w/beating another dudes ass if he started a fight, but man, I have never wanted to kill anyone. But, I see the potential for some violent times ahead. The world has been turned upside down. I will never allow anyone to harm my wife.
Humanity has shown a propensity to do ill will with weapons. I’m not trying to sound disingenuous, but don’t complain about mass shootings, if you accept weapons into your society.
Im currently in Florida at my Dad's. We assembled my new 20 Ga shotgun and went to the range and tried it. I never shot a shotgun before. At first we just fired it so I could get used to it. And load/unload.
It didnt want to eject the empty shells. So we got some different ammo and it worked better.
Then I shot some clays on the easy course. I didnt expect to hit any, but I hit 5, so I was super pleased.
I'm pumped and want to go clay shooting when I get back to Ga.
To make this on topic, I just won a 1993 Beretta 92fs 9mm. Looking forward to shooting it.
Congrats on the Beretta! That's pretty freaking awesome!
Yeah, some shotguns need to be fed magnum or "full" load shells. I have one that supposedly (haven't tried it, yet) will fail to eject fairly consistently if I try to use "Light Target" loads, particularly the #7.5 Winchesters, lol.... of which, I just happen to have a 10-round magazine for the shotgun full of those right now. Go figure
My brother-in-law just turned me onto a new shotgun to look at: the Escort BTS12, made by Hatsan (Turkish) and imported by Hatsan USA.
It is a 12-gauge, or .410, bullpup AR-based shotgun. It's kinda a thing of beauty, and under $600.
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Just a heads up for anyone and everyone. If you've never heard of a 'hang fire', look it up.
Never, EVER point the gun where it is unsafe to fire.
I had a hang fire once. It's an unexpected delay between pulling the trigger, and the gun going 'boom'. I almost killed my 4 wheeler. Thank God I didn't do the stupid thing and pull the gun up to look at it.
Just a heads up for anyone and everyone. If you've never heard of a 'hang fire', look it up.
Never, EVER point the gun where it is unsafe to fire.
I had a hang fire once. It's an unexpected delay between pulling the trigger, and the gun going 'boom'. I almost killed my 4 wheeler. Thank God I didn't do the stupid thing and pull the gun up to look at it.
Solid advice. ANY failure to fire, keep that muzzle pointed in a safe direction and under your control (not just laying down, in case it fires) until the chamber is cleared!!! Give the gun at LEAST 30 seconds (preferably two minutes) before attempting to clear the chamber after a F2F.
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Just a heads up for anyone and everyone. If you've never heard of a 'hang fire', look it up.
Never, EVER point the gun where it is unsafe to fire.
I had a hang fire once. It's an unexpected delay between pulling the trigger, and the gun going 'boom'. I almost killed my 4 wheeler. Thank God I didn't do the stupid thing and pull the gun up to look at it.
Solid advice. ANY failure to fire, keep that muzzle pointed in a safe direction and under your control (not just laying down, in case it fires) until the chamber is cleared!!! Give the gun at LEAST 30 seconds (preferably two minutes) before attempting to clear the chamber after a F2F.
Tks.
What would cause such a delay and the round go off 5-10-20+ secs after the original "failure to fire"?
I've no doubt heard of it but never knew the reason(s) for a "failure to fire".
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Faulty primer. Slow primer? Poor firing pin that doesn't cause instant ignition? Old ammo?
Doesn't really matter. If the gun is loaded, and you pull the trigger and it doesn't fire...........do NOT move the gun from a safe firing position. Period.
Keep the weapon pointed down range, into the ground or away from anyone near you. Make sure you alert anyone around to get behind where the weapon is pointed. Release the magazine so no more than one misfire could possibly occur. At that point try to determine if it’s a jammed slide, firing pin or a captured casing that didn’t eject properly. Whatever the cause of the misfire may be, clear it if you can, lock the slide if possible, if not, set the weapon on the ground pointing down range and have someone go for assistance.
Yes. But they're going to cost ya right now if you can find them.
I was lucky enough to find 500 rounds of .380 hollow points here bulkammo.com, although they have nothing now you just have to keep an eye out. But they do have some 9mm hollow points available if that's what you're looking for. I just prefer them for my .380 since that is what I carry.
A failure to eject is easy to diagnose, instantly. But, a failure to eject is completely different than a hangfire. Totally.
I think you're talking 'misfire'. What you describe is pertinent to 'misfire'. Not hang fire. IMO.
In a hang fire, to my knowledge, you NEVER want to open the slide. Ever. (well, for up to 2 minutes - you never know how long the primer will sizzle before ignition)
A hang fire and a mis fire are similar. A jamb? Gun goes bang when you pull the trigger, but the slide doesn't close on the next round.
It's easy to see if it was a failure to eject, and if it was a failure to eject, the next round is not in the chamber OR not fireable since the slide hasn't closed.
You'll know a hang fire if you ever have one now that you know what one is.
Even revolvers can have a hang fire, though.
If you pull the trigger on a legit loaded gun and it doesn't go 'boom' keep it pointed down range. You can look at the slide........just keep the gun pointed down range. In a hang fire, since it didn't fire, it won't have cycled the slide - meaning the slide will still be shut/closed.
A misfire would do the same thing. Give it time. 30 seconds at a minimum. Prp said 2 minutes.
Failure to eject will almost always mean the shell casing is stuck in the ejector or slide - but it went boom first.
I am far from an expert. I grew up in a home with NO guns. Anything I know about guns has come from a first hand experience AND/or someone else's experience.
The hang fire I had, years ago? Even though I 'knew' what a hang fire was, I almost screwed up.
That is why I posted what I did way back.
Guns are fun. Guns are dangerous.
Hang fire and misfire can be misconstrued and the only way to know is time. Open the slide on a hang fire? Probably not good.
Failure to eject? Pretty noticeable, and generally speaking, a new round didn't go into the firing position since the slide didn't close. (that's on semi auto hand guns, and actually, semi auto shotguns, and semi auto rifles)
Also, learn the sound of your gun, and if you fire a round and it sounds weak, off, or soft, do NOT fire the next round. You may have a squib round which is a bullet that for whatever reason doesn't properly fire the bullet from the barrel. It could be too light of a load (not enough powder added to the casing when it was loaded) or a faulty primer or bad powder.... but, the end result would be the same, a projectile lodged in your barrel. If the follow-up round is able to chamber and you fire it, you could blow up the gun.
GENERALLY SPEAKING - with factory ammo this is not going to be something you need to typically worry about and it is far more common when you load your own ammo, but it is still a possibility, so learn your firearm. Get familiar with how it sounds and how the recoil feels... if it sounds or feels weaker than normal when you fire it, stop, unload it, clear the chamber, and look through the ejector port down the barrel to verify you have daylight at the other end and are all clear.
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While it's not 100% on-topic, I didn't want to make a new thread. Also, it'll be pertinent to the OP once said handgun is purchased.
Where/what are people's favorite methods of getting ammo? I've seen bulkammo.com referenced on here already.
Are there vendors and/or brands to avoid? Is the situation different for different types of guns (I know someone said 9mm is especially difficult to find?).
For me (long story short) I own a rifle and am bringing it from where it's at to my home. It has a place to be locked up, but I want to get it checked (I have a couple local places), and I want to get to firing it so we can get acquainted. I need to find ammo, and a reliable source would be best. My specific rifle takes 5.56.
Any tips, in general or for me specifically, would be much appreciated.
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I had a very large reply typed up that I lost to network issues and a reboot, but here's the short version: if you find it, buy it. End of story. Do no concern yourself with manufacturer, brass vs steel, lead, flat point, hollow point, FMJ, Ball, wad cutter, etc.... if your firearm will eat it, feed it.
The longer version follows.
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The longer version is this: there is a global shortage on primers right now. This is equally affecting the home reloader and the large-scale manufacturers. Everybody has all the brass, powder, and boolits they could want, but without primers you cannot make a functioning bullet. Globally, primer manufacturers are struggling to meet the demand... the US manufacturers like CCI, Winchester, Remington, Federal, and the Euros like Prvi Partizan (Serbia), Armscor (Phillipines), Sellior & Belloit (Czech), Fiocchi (Italy) are all trying to keep up. I have nothing to confirm this, but I suspect that the issue is likely in the global supply chain for minerals/materials used on the production of primers being disrupted by COVID.
With the exception of ammunition like 22LR and other rimfire cartridges, ALL calibers are equally affected (although 50BMG is a little less affected since it doesn't share primer sizes with anything else that is popular/common).
Supposedly, according to an article in Guns & Ammo, there are several million primers en route from Europe via cargo ship, but they need to arrive, be unloaded, pass customs, and then make it into the distribution system. I suspect the majority will go to the large manufacturers leaving a much smaller portion for the consumer market.
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Check around your local sporting goods stores. There is one here that has all calibers, but limits on how much you can buy per day. It's a Mom n Pop store. So be sure to check those, not just the chain stores.
Ranges will also sell you some with the caveat that you are also using their range that day.
Also, you can find some online, just do some searching. The only problem with online is they tend to hit you with a large shipping fee.
I generally buy a box of ammo here and there, as opposed to a bulk buy. But, a number of years ago, I did bulk buy when things, ammo wise, were tight. I have what some would consider "alot". But they are in ammo boxes with silica gel packs for moisture.
12 gauge shot is what I go through the most. Shoot, an afternoon of shooting clay targets can easily go through 200 rounds, so that is what I pick up most often. 25 here, 50 there.
Are there vendors and/or brands to avoid? Is the situation different for different types of guns (I know someone said 9mm is especially difficult to find?).
Any tips, in general or for me specifically, would be much appreciated.
If you find any, as others have said, buy it. I can find jacketed hollow points around, but they’re trending at $.80 to $1 a round, which of course is insane compared to last year. Thing is, those are self defense rounds. You need to shoot some through each gun, but only enough to ensure they work and you know how they kick.
Finding target ammo is another whole quest. It should be around $.40+ a round, which again is insane compared to last year. If you go to Federal’s website, you can order directly from the manufacturer, which I did two weeks back. They deliver to Ohio, so all good there.
In general, the cheaper the ammo, the crappier the powder. Meaning, it may be cheap, but you’ll need to clean your gun a lot more often. Two years back I bought some magtech 9mm for cheap. It shot well enough but my gun looked like the inside of a 25-year old coal chimney. Gross.
If you don’t mind cleaning your gun a lot, then buy all the cheap ammo you want (non-pandemic times that is). The more you buy, the more you shoot, the more you practice and the better you get. I ended up becoming a decent shot before all this happened. I could hit where I wanted with my G43 (single stacks can be hard to control for some).
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The bigger issue with inexpensive ammo like MagTech isn't the powder, though some powders do leave more residue, it is the case material.
Steel cases are super strong and incredibly rigid. They can hold up to anything, but the downside is that the case doesn't expand and seal against the chamber walls as well as brass (if at all), so you end up with a LOT more gases blowing back into the inner parts of your firearm.
Aluminum cases do expand readily and do a much better job of sealing the chamber than steel cases, but the metal is weak and easily have material blown off them. The inside of your barrel and chamber can kinda end up looking a little like a glitter party happened.
Brass really is the end-all, be-all of casings... but, again, COVID rules change things. Buy what you can find because you don't know when you'll be able to find any again.... e.g. my 300BLK rifle: I cannot find 110gr ammo for it at all, much less the brand it is sighted for. Finding ANY 300 Blackout is a chore in itself.
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