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Okay, what was it that I was trying to start that was so bad that you and others have been intent on destroying the thread by turning it into a series of personal attacks?
Tell me exactly what I was trying to start! And again, why are you so opposed to people discussing child sex trafficking? Why does it bother you and others that some of us want to educate people on the topic and bring a VOICE to those who are being abused?
I think it is repulsive that you are trying so hard to stop the conversation. It's like you don't give a damn about these poor kids. Or, it's like if we don't talk about it, it really doesn't exist.
Shameful!!! Well you started a 'political debate' by saying things like this: Originally Posted By: Versatile Dog I didn't think people would address the problem. I knew they would deflect and try to make things personal. It's the way of the left.
Deflect and attack.
Y'all are pathetic and you are going to lose yet again because your moral code is disgusting. And the way the nut job right throws around the pedo label when talking about politics and politicians or the left in general makes this topic very political... I mean even somebody as delusional as you have become can't seriously be making an accusation that the left supports child sex trafficking can you? NOPE. But here we are and that comment sure looks like that's where you are headed... If this were all about facts or actually useful as to what we can do to stop the trafficking rings, it would be a damn good thread. But the pretense that the left is full of pedos or that it is even a political topic that both sides have varying opinions on is just asinine. As soon as I saw this in PP I knew it would be a matter of just a little time before it devolved into a political issue in the Trumpian mind as opposed to a purely criminal issue that we should all be united to stop. That's why I was quick to comment and pointed out the use of the pedo label being tossed around in the political muckraking. You should have just posted this in EE.
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What are you talking about?
I never said that politics should not be discussed in this thread. I put this thread in the political forum for a reason. That reason is because I do think politics are involved. Daman either can't read or is making up the part about me complaining about politics being discussed.
I did say that I knew some of you would try and hijack the thread and quiet this discussion, because that is what you guys always do. And none of you disappointed. You have tried to silence the discussion by making it about me, which is exactly what I knew you would do.
So, how about we actually talk about the issue. It is important. Very important. There are political and social ramifications. We should educate ourselves on such things.
Will you guys please discuss the topic or take a freaking hike. Talking about me is not what is important here.
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This is political. Trump signs executive order expanding efforts to combat human trafficking 'monsters'"My administration is putting unprecedented pressure on traffickers," he said.By Joan Muwahed January 31, 2020, 3:11 PM • 8 min read Why it's so difficult for human trafficking victims to come forward Brad Myles, CEO of Polaris, discusses the indictment of Jeffrey Epstein and the power imbalance... Brad Myles, CEO of Polaris, discusses the indictment of Jeffrey Epstein and the power imbalance of human trafficking. January is human trafficking awareness month and on Friday, President Donald Trump signed an executive order expanding his domestic policy office with a new position solely focused on combating human trafficking. The president officially announced the new position during a White House summit on the topic, organized by his daughter and senior adviser Ivanka Trump. MORE: Prosecuting human traffickers poses significant challenges, top prosecutor says "My administration is putting unprecedented pressure on traffickers at home and abroad," Trump said during the event, adding "we have signed more legislation on human trafficking than any other administration has ever even thought about." While touting his administration's success in authorizing over $400 million to fight the issue, he said the internet was the main portal for human traffickers to find their victims. President Donald Trump arrives to speak during an event on human trafficking in the East Room... President Donald Trump arrives to speak during an event on human trafficking in the East Room of the White House on Jan. 31, 2020 in Washington, followed by Vice President Mike Pence, right, and senior adviser to the President, Ivanka Trump. "Human trafficking is worse than it ever has been before," Trump said. "And that's because of the internet." He outlined initiatives his administration has done thus far, including the Department of Justice shutting down certain websites found to be associated with groups accused of running human trafficking rings. He added, “My administration is fighting these monsters, persecuting and prosecuting them.” The White House event, put together in celebration of the 20th anniversary of the Trafficking Victims Protection Act, legislation signed in 2000 by former President Bill Clinton and later adopted by former President Barack Obama and Trump, welcomed lawmakers and officials who have spearheaded initiatives to fight against human trafficking -- including Ambassador Callista Gingrich and Texas Rep. Michael McCaul. "We are pleased to be among those honoring the 20th anniversary of the Trafficking Victims Protection Act (TVPA), bipartisan legislation that serves as the foundation of today’s fight to eradicate the sexual exploitation of youth," said Linda Smith, the founder and president of Shared Hope -- an anti-human trafficking advocacy group -- in a statement to ABC News. Smith added, "Domestic minor sex trafficking is a national epidemic that has no party affiliation … In fact, it’s a cause that has benefited greatly from bipartisan support for the last two decades." PHOTO: Senior Advisor to the President, Ivanka Trump, listens to her father President Donald Trump deliver remarks during the White House Summit on Human Trafficking in the East Room of the White House, in Washington on Jan. 2020. Senior Advisor to the President, Ivanka Trump, listens to her father President Donald Trump deliver remarks during the White House Summit on Human Trafficking in the East Room of the White House, in Washington on Jan. 2020. In observation of the twentieth anniversary of the Trafficking Victims Protection Act of 2000, President Trump signed an executive order aimed at combating trafficking of persons in the sex trade, slavery and child exploitation. Among the groups invited, Ivanka Trump also brought up survivors to the podium to speak, many of whom have become national speakers for the cause. In the days leading up to the summit, some anti-trafficking groups said they declined invitations to the event, citing opposition to the Trump administration's policies as the reason. Groups such as the Polaris Project, a nonprofit that runs the national human-trafficking hotline, said they didn't want their attendance to be misconstrued as having a political bias. "At this highly politicized moment in our nation, we were concerned that our attendance at this summit would be misconstrued as taking a political side, and so we chose not to attend." Polaris said in a statement to ABC News. "Polaris remains committed to working with all parties on all issues related to human trafficking," the statement said. "Including helping everyone in a position to make change understand how certain immigration and refugee policies and rhetoric contribute to sex and labor trafficking and make it less likely that victims and survivors feel safe seeking help." While the Trump administration has continuously raised concerns about the issue, some organizations said a large portion of victims in the United States are immigrants. The groups that boycotted the event said they think the administration endangers them even further. President Donald Trump speaks during an event on human trafficking in the East Room of the W... President Donald Trump speaks during an event on human trafficking in the East Room of the White House, Jan. 31, 2020 in Washington, as Vice President Mike Pence, left, and senior adviser to the President, Ivanka Trump, look on. But, looking forward, DOJ will have a $77 million budget to support victims of human trafficking, according to fiscal 2020 budget numbers. In his executive order, Trump also called for a $4 million increase in funding toward investigating and prosecuting human trafficking in the U.S., in addition to a proposed increase in grant funding for state and local efforts, according to a White House official. Despite the criticism from some groups on how the administration has handled the issue, the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children praised it. MORE: How to identify human trafficking victims often 'hidden in plain sight' "We appreciate having a seat at the table for this important discussion," John F. Clark, president and CEO of the center, said Thursday in a statement to ABC News. "The issue of child sex trafficking is a crucial concern for NCMEC." Clark added, "We believe it’s essential to engage with all our partners in the federal government, Congress and the judiciary, as well as our law enforcement and non-profit partners to work together to prevent children from being sold for sex and help recover and provide services for victims." ABC News' Ben Gittleson and Jordyn Phelps contributed to this report. https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/anti-hum...ory?id=68615924
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California bill to lower penalties for sexual relations with minor heads to Newsom's deskBill would remove requirement for offenders to register as a sex offender after committing certain sex acts with minors within a 10-year age difference A California bill that would remove a requirement for offenders to register as a sex offender after committing certain sex acts with minors within a 10-year age difference is set to go to Gov. Gavin Newsom's desk after passing in both legislative houses. The bill, SB 145, applies in cases where the victim is between the ages of 14 and 17 and aims to lift an existing registration requirement for oral and anal sex. The state senate and assembly both voted to approve the bill on Tuesday despite Republican opposition in the Senate and bipartisan opposition in the assembly. "If signed into law, a 24-year-old could have sexual relations with a 15-year-old child without being required to register as a sex offender," Senate Republican Leader Shannon Grove tweeted Tuesday. https://www.foxnews.com/politics/california-bill-lower-penalties-sexual-relations-with-minor-newsom
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What are you talking about?
I never said that politics should not be discussed in this thread. I put this thread in the political forum for a reason. That reason is because I do think politics are involved. Daman either can't read or is making up the part about me complaining about politics being discussed.
I did say that I knew some of you would try and hijack the thread and quiet this discussion, because that is what you guys always do. And none of you disappointed. You have tried to silence the discussion by making it about me, which is exactly what I knew you would do.
So, how about we actually talk about the issue. It is important. Very important. There are political and social ramifications. We should educate ourselves on such things.
Will you guys please discuss the topic or take a freaking hike. Talking about me is not what is important here. I haven't done anything to stop the thread. I simply pointed out that the right is seeing pedos everywhere for political reasons. Don't confuse that with the very real scourge of child sex trafficking, they are not the same. And don't pretend or insinuate that the left, especially me, would do anything to stop child sex traffickers from being brought to justice OR even to derail a real conversation about the topic if it was purely about child sex trafficking ONLY! You knew it would become political because your side sees pedos like the kid in 6th sense saw dead people... you think they are everywhere and that the topic is good for your side of the political spectrum. That's truly sickening.
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I think you are trying to equate everything to QAnon. Child sex trafficking and pedophilia is a disgusting problem in our country and on a global scale. But not everyone who brings it up is someone who thinks the way QAnon does.
We can all see Vers was inviting a political battle in about the third post on his own thread. That's obvious. And now he wishes to play the blame game by diverting it to someone else.
That however does not diminish how severe and horrible the topic truly is.
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Never said that and wasn't even thinking about Q. Hell I see talk about pedos on here all the time. I see it all over facebook/twitter in political posts too. Both sides use it at times, but recently I hear a ton of it from the right.
AND of course it's awful and should be a topic where we are all united against it, but in Trump's America everybody just wants to blame the other side. All human trafficking is disgusting and needs to be weeded out and dealt with, especially when it involves kids. However, I don't hear anyone in power or trying to get into power talking about human trafficking other than for political gain. There should really be a coordinated worldwide/nationwide task force to track down these criminals and bring them to justice, including the Johns.
And if I were prosecuting a case like Epstein's, I'd lock up every name in his books regardless of what political side they are on and make them prove their innocence on some kind of guilt by association organized crime charge.
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And if I were prosecuting a case like Epstein's, I'd lock up every name in his books regardless of what political side they are on and make them prove their innocence on some kind of guilt by association organized crime charge. Firstly that would be illegal and secondly if we allow it to happen once, soon it will be happening everywhere. Not a path I wish to see our nation walk down.
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Not so sure an organized crime RICO charge would be illegal, but if it is then I would agree with what you just said. But if not, then I would bring that to keep them from killing Epstein in his cell to cover themselves. Somebody did that or made it happen and that somebody is going to get away with it just like all the pervs Epstein served kids up to...
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At least we aren't wishing any of them luck.
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True that. But we wouldn't defend cold blooded murder or hate crimes either.
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While the left continually tries to make this personal and throws out accusations as if they don't start threads for a particular reason...LOL........I still think there has been a lot of good information posted on this thread in regards to the depth of the problem, warning signs, who is being exploited, who is exploiting them, what we can do to help fight the problem, etc.
I feel good that I brought this topic to the board. I hope that some people actually read some of the articles from government agencies, children's rights groups, and other factual articles that help educate us about this sickening subject. Turning a blind eye to it will only further the exploitation of innocent children. I'll gladly take the insults from the left in order to get the message out.
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Please try and tell me this is not a political issue. We need to make our voices heard to have some of these laws changed. Please take the time to read the article. Children who are being forced into sex trafficking are also being charged w/prostitution crimes. We need change!!! Child sex trafficking survivors deserve to be protected, not criminalizedFrom Crosscut by Manka Dhingra & Tina Orwall & Shoshana Wineburg She was violated and raped in plain sight at all hours of the day and night. She was sold and threatened with violence and death. She scratched and kicked the walls of her motel room. She cried for help from anyone who could hear. Instead of helping, motel staff told her to “keep it down.” She would later be arrested for prostitution that she was forced into. Her story isn’t unique. It’s the story of American sex trafficking and it’s trapping girls in every community in the sexual-abuse-to-prison pipeline. Between the ages of 12 and 15, a woman known only as M.L., was raped up to 10 times a day at a Motel 6 in Washington state. After employees allegedly turned a blind eye or enabled her abuse, she’s now fighting back with a lawsuit filed in U.S. District Court of Tacoma against the major motel chain and Craigslist for enabling child sex trafficking. The lawsuit claims that many people within the hospitality industry and Craigslist knew that children were being sold for sex and did nothing to stop it. In fact, M.L. alleges that the motel manager tried to buy her, along with other girls, for sex. Once Motel 6 found out about the prostitution, the lawsuit claims, all it did was transfer him to a different location. Cases like M.L.’s are far too common across the nation. We don’t know the full scope of child sex trafficking within the United States, but studies indicate that 100,000 to 3 million children are purchased for sex each year. What we do know, tragically, is that it’s the most vulnerable children — youth who have been abused or those involved with the child welfare system — who are being sexually victimized and eventually incarcerated. Twenty years ago, President Bill Clinton signed the Trafficking Victims Protection Act (TVPA), which established the first ever legal definition of human trafficking. Following passage, commercial sex acts “by force, fraud, or coercion,” or performed on people under the age of 18, constituted a “severe form of trafficking.” Thus, the TVPA laid out that children are victims, not perpetrators, of their own sexual exploitation. This marked a turning point in the modern fight against sex trafficking, but it hasn’t come close to eliminating it. While the TVPA defined the problem of human trafficking and established minors involved in a commercial sex act as victims, the law didn’t go far enough. Today in 2020, children under 18 can still be survivors of sex trafficking, yet be prosecuted for the sex crime of prostitution. As a result, it has fallen upon individual states to fix this contradiction by passing safe harbor legislation — policies which exempt minors from charges of prostitution and provide therapeutic services instead of incarceration. Two years after the passage of the TVPA, Michigan’s Legislature charted the course for what statewide safe harbor policy could look like. As of 2019, 31 states, including Washington, D.C., have passed some form of safe harbor. That leaves 20 states that continue to criminalize child survivors of sex trafficking, including Washington state. Sexual abuse during childhood is frequently one of the key indicators that girls — disproportionately girls of color — will enter the juvenile and criminal justice systems. Often, they are condemned for crimes related to their own sexual abuse and reactions to traumatic events. This includes substance abuse, truancy, running away and retaliating against their abusers. These crimes are loud cries for help and therapeutic intervention, and should not be met with traditional detention and punishment. This is why we have proposed a holistic completion of safe harbor legislation (House Bill 1775) in Washington state. The policy would exempt trafficking survivors from crimes related to their own sexual exploitation. It would create a pilot program for therapeutic receiving centers to take children who have been trafficked and establish designated trafficking liaisons within Washington’s child welfare system. These interventions can disrupt the sexual-abuse-to-prison pipeline by offering survivors a chance to heal and build a pathway to a life free of exploitation and violence. This an ambitious but necessary step toward ending sex trafficking. Had safe harbor policies been in place for M.L., she may have been able to get the help she needed sooner. In 2020, we hope to add Washington state to the growing list of safe harbor states, and we encourage all 19 remaining states to join us. Even in a highly divided nation, this is one area where we should all be able to agree. http://sdc.wastateleg.org/dhingra/2020/0...t-criminalized/
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Girl ‘sold’ as sex slave for $500 lands 37-year-old man in jail, Washington cops sayBrooke Wolford Miami HeraldSeptember 9, 2020, 1:22 PM EDT An underage girl missing from Richland, Washington told police that two individuals “sold” her to a 37-year-old man in Oregon for $500, according to a probable cause affidavit. The girl was trafficked in April 2020, months after Robert Aguilera held a rifle to her head in Walla Walla, Washington and “forcibly raped” her at his sister’s house in Milton-Freewater, Oregon, documents state. She was sold to Aguilera by a 21-year-old man and another underage girl, according to the affidavit provided by the Walla Walla Police Department. Aguilera was arrested on Sept. 2 on accusations of assault, trafficking and rape, according to the affidavit. The girl told investigators she felt “compelled” to go with Aguilera because of the incident where he threatened her with a gun. After the victim was “sold” to Aguilera, he brought her to a house in Walla Walla, “where she was gang-raped by four to five 18th Street gang members,” documents state. - ADVERTISEMENT - Aguilera raped the victim “multiple times in multiple localities,” including: Walla Walla, College Place and Dayton in Washington and Milton-Freewater and Pendlton in Oregon investigators said. “[The victim] stated she was very afraid of Aguilera and did what he wanted to avoid being physically punished by him,” the documents state. While Aguilera held the victim in captivity, he gave her meth, heroin and fentanyl, according to investigators. The detective who interviewed the victim wrote that she was “covered in sores on her arms, legs and face” and many of them seemed to be infected, the affidavit states. Open lesions and wounds are a common side effect of meth use. A witness familiar with Aguilera and the victim confirmed with investigators that she saw Aguilera get upset with the victim for going out on a porch and smoking a cigarette “without telling him,” according to the affidavit. The witness told a detective “that she could tell [the victim] was genuinely fearful of Aguilera.” Aguilera was booked into the Walla Walla County Jail on Sept. 2, according to the jail’s inmate search. His bail is set at $50,000. He is charged with use/delivery of drug paraphernalia, first-degree assault, second-degree rape, first-degree trafficking and failure to comply with authorities, according to jail records. https://www.yahoo.com/news/girl-sold-sex-slave-500-172229777.html
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How does a guy like that even get bail set? Bury him under the jail.
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How does a guy like that even get bail set? Bury him under the jail. and a measly 50k at that...That's ridiculous.
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