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It sounds like you approve the option of running someone down from behind and shooting them in the back seven times.
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It sounds like you approve the option of running someone down from behind and shooting them in the back seven times. Well he's going to keep reframing the question until he thinks he "got ya" .... it's sort of like gas-lighting
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It sounds like you approve the option of running someone down from behind and shooting them in the back seven times. Well he's going to keep reframing the question until he thinks he "got ya" .... it's sort of like gas-lighting Or, it's being last word larry like.
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And there you have it. Another nothing burger.
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Life lesson: If you're going to criticize someone for something they did, you need to tell them what they should do, and not just what they shouldn't do.
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Life Lesson; When advocating something is the proper thing to do, make sure it isn't chasing someone down and shooting them seven times in the back.
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Life Lesson; When advocating something is the proper thing to do, make sure it isn't chasing someone down and shooting them seven times in the back. Yes! Instead, make sure you advocate for allowing kidnapping. #kidnapthechildren - Slogan of the Left
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You are trying to get informed opinions about what ifs without all the information being available. None of us know enough to condemn the black man for anything, but the video is enough to condemn the cop that shot him. Now if evidence later shows the cop was under some immediate threat that called for shooting a man trying to leave peacefully in the back 7 times at point blank range, we can cross that bridge then. Have a good day and welcome to PP.
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So, it sounds like from your answers, you would both be ok with option A for Q1, since the suspect is not shot in that option.
So, you are ok with allowing a man with a weapon to kidnap 3 kids while doing nothing...Bold move. Oh you are one of those... what is your display name on your regular DT account, you sound like some guys who were banned?
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Haha, so, basically, you guys can't even give an answer  That's because there is no right answer to you. How about multiple choice? Will that help? Q1: What should the police do as the suspect walks toward the car door, assuming he had a knife? A. Stay back, allow him to enter the vehicle with a knife, and then drive off; do not chase suspect in car B. Stay back, allow him to enter the vehicle with a knife, and pursue him in your car C. Stay back, allow him to enter vehicle with knife, and then shoot him D. Stay back, allow him to open car door, then shoot him E. Stay back and shoot him before he opens car door F. Attempt to prevent him from opening car door by restraining him, but opening yourself up to possibly be stabbed G. Other - please mention what they should do, in your opinion Q2: If restraining fails, what should the police do? A. Allow suspect to drive off without pursuit B. Allow suspect to drive off, but persue C. Continue trying to subdue the suspect until you succeed or you are stabbed D. Shoot the suspect All those situations are "no win" situations. It is not the cops' fault, if the suspect had a knife, that he put them in that situation by not complying. Really, the only thing you can point to and say is that shooting 7 times seems excessive. But don't blame the cops and say they acted wrongly when the actions of the suspect are what put them in a "no win" situation. Shoot the tires on the car... he is going nowhere...
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Life lesson: If you're going to criticize someone for something they did, you need to tell them what they should do, and not just what they shouldn't do. You shouldn't vote republican. You shouldn't support Trump. You should not post anything else in this thread. <- Well if that is all you wanted, just ask and most of us will give you proper directions. 
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Life Lesson; When advocating something is the proper thing to do, make sure it isn't chasing someone down and shooting them seven times in the back. Yes! Instead, make sure you advocate for allowing kidnapping. #kidnapthechildren - Slogan of the Left Umm, YOU ARE RIDICULOUS.
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So, it sounds like from your answers, you would both be ok with option A for Q1, since the suspect is not shot in that option.
So, you are ok with allowing a man with a weapon to kidnap 3 kids while doing nothing...Bold move. Oh you are one of those... what is your display name on your regular DT account, you sound like some guys who were banned? Registered since '08; been reading the board since it was the official board for the Browns. Sorry to burst your bubble detective OCD.
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Haha, so, basically, you guys can't even give an answer That's because there is no right answer to you. How about multiple choice? Will that help? Q1: What should the police do as the suspect walks toward the car door, assuming he had a knife? A. Stay back, allow him to enter the vehicle with a knife, and then drive off; do not chase suspect in car B. Stay back, allow him to enter the vehicle with a knife, and pursue him in your car C. Stay back, allow him to enter vehicle with knife, and then shoot him D. Stay back, allow him to open car door, then shoot him E. Stay back and shoot him before he opens car door F. Attempt to prevent him from opening car door by restraining him, but opening yourself up to possibly be stabbed G. Other - please mention what they should do, in your opinion Q2: If restraining fails, what should the police do? A. Allow suspect to drive off without pursuit B. Allow suspect to drive off, but persue C. Continue trying to subdue the suspect until you succeed or you are stabbed D. Shoot the suspect All those situations are "no win" situations. It is not the cops' fault, if the suspect had a knife, that he put them in that situation by not complying. Really, the only thing you can point to and say is that shooting 7 times seems excessive. But don't blame the cops and say they acted wrongly when the actions of the suspect are what put them in a "no win" situation. Shoot the tires on the car... he is going nowhere... And watch as he speeds off and crashes with 3 children on board. Good plan...
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Sorry to burst your bubble detective OCD.
Not a detective bro, just know that some people do that and you sound like you been around here for a while... guess you are a lurker or shy with only 500 post in 12 years. BUT defending Trump brings you out of your shell I see, we'll keep you busy doing that. I don't care if you waste your time.
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Haha, so, basically, you guys can't even give an answer That's because there is no right answer to you. How about multiple choice? Will that help? Q1: What should the police do as the suspect walks toward the car door, assuming he had a knife? A. Stay back, allow him to enter the vehicle with a knife, and then drive off; do not chase suspect in car B. Stay back, allow him to enter the vehicle with a knife, and pursue him in your car C. Stay back, allow him to enter vehicle with knife, and then shoot him D. Stay back, allow him to open car door, then shoot him E. Stay back and shoot him before he opens car door F. Attempt to prevent him from opening car door by restraining him, but opening yourself up to possibly be stabbed G. Other - please mention what they should do, in your opinion Q2: If restraining fails, what should the police do? A. Allow suspect to drive off without pursuit B. Allow suspect to drive off, but persue C. Continue trying to subdue the suspect until you succeed or you are stabbed D. Shoot the suspect All those situations are "no win" situations. It is not the cops' fault, if the suspect had a knife, that he put them in that situation by not complying. Really, the only thing you can point to and say is that shooting 7 times seems excessive. But don't blame the cops and say they acted wrongly when the actions of the suspect are what put them in a "no win" situation. Shoot the tires on the car... he is going nowhere... And watch as he speeds off and crashes with 3 children on board. Good plan... Yep, a lot better deal than being paralyzed for life...
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Life lesson: If you're going to criticize someone for something they did, you need to tell them what they should do, and not just what they shouldn't do. I did tell them what to do- Do not shoot the guy 7 times in the back. Period.
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I will just say it this way, show me Reuter’s or the AP, and I will take a look. Citizens Free Press, ummmm yeah, sure, photoshop anyone?
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Doesn’t matter ...was he charged with assault with a deadly weapon at the scene? If not why not? You know if the cops knew he had a knife. Instead the cop just shots 7 times to the back. Still attempted murder by my book. Your book sucks. You supporting racist killer cops also sucks. But expected.
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Who said he was trying to kidnap his kids? Even the cops haven't said that. Making excuses why it's okay to have to chase a man down to shoot him in the back seven times is disgraceful.
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Q1: If you think he's grabbing a knife, take a step back and use your taser. If that doesn't work and he lunges at you, shoot him.
Q2: I don't even know how to answer this. Obviously you pursuit him. Shooting out tires seems like a reasonable thing to do before you chase him.
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Q1: If you think he's grabbing a knife, take a step back and use your taser. If that doesn't work and he lunges at you, shoot him. They tried a taser.... It malfunctioned or didn’t work. Not sure which. So the obvious next step was to put 7 bullets in his back.
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Q1: If you think he's grabbing a knife, take a step back and use your taser. If that doesn't work and he lunges at you, shoot him. They tried a taser.... It malfunctioned or didn’t work. Not sure which. So the obvious next step was to put 7 bullets in his back. Ahhhh ok, did not know that. Yeah I don't know. I wasn't in that officers shoes, but 7 in the back point blank makes it seems to me that you're trying to kill the person. Might as well just put it in the back of his skull if that's what you're going for.
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https://www.personaldefenseworld.com/2019/06/knife-vs-gun/https://moderncombatandsurvival.com/featured/tactical-firearms-training-vs-a-knife/There is debate as to whether he had the knife as he rounded the front of his car, after scuffling with police on the curb side of his vehicle. What's not debatable is he DID scuffle with them on the curbside. That puts cops on edge. They also knew, apparently, that he was known to carry guns in his car. So, you try to tase him again while he's disobeying lawful orders, and heading to the drivers door with a knife OR to get a knife or gun? Hopefully, and the sooner the better, more info comes out. It's not in my job qualification to determine, nor is it in others on here.
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Did some more researching today, found some good info. First, here is the criminal complaint brought against Blake in the incident in May by his ex-girlfriend, found through this Snopes article: Criminal Complaint (be warned, it is graphic)Snopes articleThe interesting info: Blake has stolen his ex-girlfriend's vehicle before. Blake's ex said he didn't even own a car back when the complaint was filed in May. Blake shares custody of the 3 children with his ex-girlfriend. Also, the attorney representing the police union has come out and said the SUV in the video does not belong to Blake. All this information, coupled with the fact that the woman who called the police (presumably Blake's ex) said a man had taken her car keys, and I'm going to say that Blake did not own the SUV shown in the video. So, that pretty much proves that Blake had a knife on him as he was walking to the driver's side of the SUV, unless you guys have another way that the knife, which Blake admits to owning, got to the driver's side floorboard of a car that isn't his. And finally to answer you Pit: when you attempt to flee the cops, in a car you don't own, with a weapon in your hand, and 3 kids in the car that you don't have full custody of, that is called kidnapping.
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Thanks Sherlock......I guess the next logical step was to shoot Blake in the back 7 bloody times. Pffft
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I don't know all the facts, but that looks like a spit mask to me. They use them all the time on people who spit at officers.
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7 shots in the back... That's all I needed to hear.
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Yep ....the next logical thing for a racist killer cop to do is slam the guys head into the pavement because he complained about the spit hood. Pffft screw these bad cops, and those who protect them. This is just another example of the systemic racism In police departments across America.
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Yep ....the next logical thing for a racist killer cop to do is slam the guys head into the pavement because he complained about the spit hood. Pffft screw these bad cops, and those who protect them. This is just another example of the systemic racism In police departments across America.
this is trump’s America ...on trump’s watch Nobody slammed his face into the pavement. Dude was high on PCP running through the streets naked. He was cursing, threatening and spitting at cops, whom he told he had Covid. Has nothing to do with systemic racism, nor is it accurate to depict cops as racist when arresting someone running through the streets naked. Has even less to do with Trump. You need a timeout.
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I believe Blake had an open warrant for felony sexual assault. I believe he had a restraining order against him w/the alleged victim. I think that that person is who called police. I think was attempting to avoid arrest. I believe he was attempting to get into a car that may or may not have been his and that there were three children inside. I think that he resisted arrest prior to being shot. I think that was tased and that he had one of the officers in a headlock.
I think the police were in a tough spot given the history of Blake, his accuser, the kids in the car, the alleged claim that he stole her keys, the restraining order, his past criminal behavior, the warrant for his arrest, the resisting of being arrested, etc.
I don't think he should have been shot seven freaking times, but I can see why shooting him was justified.
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I believe Blake had an open warrant for felony sexual assault. I believe he had a restraining order against him w/the alleged victim. I think that that person is who called police. I think was attempting to avoid arrest. I believe he was attempting to get into a car that may or may not have been his and that there were three children inside. I think that he resisted arrest prior to being shot. I think that was tased and that he had one of the officers in a headlock.
I think the police were in a tough spot given the history of Blake, his accuser, the kids in the car, the alleged claim that he stole her keys, the restraining order, his past criminal behavior, the warrant for his arrest, the resisting of being arrested, etc.
I don't think he should have been shot seven freaking times, but I can see why shooting him was justified. I don't know all the facts ... but I can agree with everythin you said except for the last 8 words. Resisting arrest isn't grounds for being shot. Not once not seven times. Especially not in the back.
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Blake has stolen his ex-girlfriend's vehicle before.
Blake's ex said he didn't even own a car back when the complaint was filed in May. Yet there is nothing anywhere accusing Blake of trying to steal her car on this occasion and no charges were filed concerning anything related to it. Blake shares custody of the 3 children with his ex-girlfriend. So much for your "kidnapping theory". Also, the attorney representing the police union has come out and said the SUV in the video does not belong to Blake. But no mention of it being her vehicle. All this information, coupled with the fact that the woman who called the police (presumably Blake's ex) said a man had taken her car keys, and I'm going to say that Blake did not own the SUV shown in the video. Yet you claim above he was trying to steal her vehicle. So, that pretty much proves that Blake had a knife on him as he was walking to the driver's side of the SUV, unless you guys have another way that the knife, which Blake admits to owning, got to the driver's side floorboard of a car that isn't his. No, no it doesn't. It's odd how there are videos and pictures of the event everywhere yet you managed to find the only one that shows him holding a knife in his hand. There was a knife in the car. And finally to answer you Pit: when you attempt to flee the cops, in a car you don't own, with a weapon in your hand, and 3 kids in the car that you don't have full custody of, that is called kidnapping. No. If you have shared custody, you aren't kidnapping your children. Other than your convoluted story, can you show any law enforcement official or prosecutor that has accused Blake of attempted kidnapping? No you can't. Can you show any law enforcement official who states the vehicle belonged to her or that he was attempting to steal her vehicle? No you can't. Once again, the man was walking away. At that time he was no longer a threat. He was chased down from behind and shot seven times in the back. You have zero evidence he was stealing her vehicle. You have zero evidence he was kidnapping his children. You have zero evidence he was threat to the police at the time of his shooting. All you're doing is making a feeble attempt to excuse an attempted execution.
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But that's the thing .... even if all those other factors were in play ... theoretically because we don't know .... but even in the "Worst Case" scenario ..... There was NO justification for shooting the guy. Not once, not 7 times. That is attempted murder. It's not hard. Use of deadly force in a life threatening situation ... and we did not have that.
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I can understand that my comment about shooting him was justified is controversial. I'm not comfortable w/it myself.
I did try to paint a picture of the situation by using the alleged "facts" in the case. I am not sure if all those things are true or not, but they have been reported. I also deliberately left off the knife because that seems to be very unclear.
I just think that if there is a guy who has a felony sexual warrant out on him and his alleged victim is the one who called the police on him for violating the restraining order against him and if he is allegedly stealing a car w/three little kids in it while considering the police might not know if they are his kids or if he is kidnapping them, letting him drive away could have led to devastating consequences.
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Yep ....the next logical thing for a racist killer cop to do is slam the guys head into the pavement because he complained about the spit hood. Pffft screw these bad cops, and those who protect them. This is just another example of the systemic racism In police departments across America.
this is trump’s America ...on trump’s watch Nobody slammed his face into the pavement. Dude was high on PCP running through the streets naked. He was cursing, threatening and spitting at cops, whom he told he had Covid. Has nothing to do with systemic racism, nor is it accurate to depict cops as racist when arresting someone running through the streets naked. Has even less to do with Trump. You need a timeout. Being mentally ill and high on drugs should not be a basis or justification for homicide. Remember... To protect and serve... says nothing about killing.
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Yep ....the next logical thing for a racist killer cop to do is slam the guys head into the pavement because he complained about the spit hood. Pffft screw these bad cops, and those who protect them. This is just another example of the systemic racism In police departments across America.
this is trump’s America ...on trump’s watch Nobody slammed his face into the pavement. Dude was high on PCP running through the streets naked. He was cursing, threatening and spitting at cops, whom he told he had Covid. Has nothing to do with systemic racism, nor is it accurate to depict cops as racist when arresting someone running through the streets naked. Has even less to do with Trump. You need a timeout. Being mentally ill and high on drugs should not be a basis or justification for homicide. Remember... To protect and serve... says nothing about killing. Not sure where I said it is, actually said nothing of the sort. Just refuting the non-fact of the cops being racist, the lie about him having his face bashed into the pavement, and the clearest non-fact of it being Trump's fault. Obviously there can be no real objective conversation in any of these threads... Anybody says anything that doesn't stand in lockstep with those with their megaphones (not you), and the response is "so that means they should shoot him?!?!" It's easier to have a lucid conversation with my dog.
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