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Trump Orders Feds To Begin Process Of Defunding New York, Portland And Other "Lawless" Cities

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So you are in complete denial that both sides are contributing to it?


I know which group is publically supporting it and doing it everyday. Video does not lie. The Dems are desperate to blame it on somebody else.


BS Eve... I have no doubt that there are some left leaning folks up in arms and wanting to take advantage...

But the facts are clear, Trump supporters are stirring up trouble. They've been doing it for years.. But now, Trump appears to be backing them up.

So give me a break...


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Open fire.

Wait until they turn their backs though.

Pfffft trump supporters.


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I'm disregarding the articles you posted that either don't work, were from a few years ago, or blame Trump or Facebook groups for rioting and looting. These people are actively deciding on their own, right or left, to do these things. To try and blame their choices and the frequency of all of this on something other than themselves is terribly weak and is part of a poor argument.

Now, for the few Richmond articles you posted that referred people to Nazis and White Supremacists, I think the headings are rather misleading and the content incorrect as I share below. These people they are referring to are the Boogaloo Boys, yet to attract attention/clicks (and anger) they are labeled the aforementioned names. I have no doubt people in these far-right cells are participating in rioting largely organized by far-left groups like Antifa and BLM radicals, but I think people need to understand their corrupt reasoning. Their mission is alluded to in maybe one article but I think this article posted a few days later with more information while quoting a research fellow from GWU does a much better job and the evaluation of this group and the Richmond incident:

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But Richmond officials have presented no direct evidence showing white supremacists organized the protest, encouraged violence or participated in any property damage. Early Tuesday afternoon, The Virginia Mercury asked officials to clarify the basis for the mayor’s comments. As of Wednesday evening, neither the Richmond Police Department nor the mayor’s office had provided additional evidence of white supremacist influence.

The confusion in Richmond appeared to arise from an unlikely alliance between members of Black Lives Matter 757, an independent, Hampton Roads-area group that has clashed with other Black Lives Matter leaders and progressive organizers, and a boogaloo supporter named Mike Dunn, who appeared with the BLM757 group in Richmond. Dunn insists he is not a white supremacist and both he and BLM757 say Dunn’s group had left the protest before it turned raucous.....

.....“Based on police intelligence, the mayor believes the boogaloos and the alt-right played a role in influencing and inciting the events that unfolded Saturday night,” Nolan said. “This does not preclude the known involvement of antifa and other protesters from inside and outside of the city whom police and the mayor believe also played a role.”

.....In an interview, JaPharii Jones, the leader of BLM757, said he does not believe Dunn is a white supremacist and insisted Dunn’s group left “before any of the mayhem even started.”

......Other Richmond-area activists have also said the boogaloo group left the protest quickly after other protesters identified them.


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J.J. MacNab, a research fellow at George Washington University’s Program on Extremism who studies right-wing extremist groups, said it’s incorrect to assume anyone in boogaloo garb holds white supremacist beliefs. “Anybody can be a boogaloo just by wearing a Hawaiian shirt with a gun,” MacNab said, adding that she too didn’t fully understand the basis for the claim of white supremacist involvement in Richmond. MacNab said there have been examples of boogaloo boys marching with Black Lives Matter protesters in about a dozen states, largely because they see police as a “shared enemy.”

The mission of the boogaloo movement, MacNab said, is “accelerationism,” a general push toward civil war or an armed uprising against the government, though not necessarily race-based.

https://www.virginiamercury.com/2020/07/...ts-complicated/

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Another side is characterized as radical libertarian, notably men carrying weapons and wearing Hawaiian shirts. Some have recently been spotted at Black Lives Matter protests, waving anti-police signs alongside protesters, Newhouse said. They believe in defending the rights of individuals against the government and have been known to incite violence against police.

The libertarian side of the movement becomes enraged when referred to as a "white supremacist group," said JJ MacNab, research fellow at George Washington University’s Program on Extremism. She said there are some Black and Hispanic members.

"The earlier boogaloos were white supremacist," MacNab said. "The ones that came later did not inherit that side of the belief system. Most of them aren’t even aware of white supremacy in subsets of the movement until they read it in the newspapers. A vast majority on Facebook are adamantly against it."

The boogaloo bois' relationship to antifa – left-leaning, anti-racist groups that monitor and track the activities of neo-Nazis – is murkier. The libertarian side of the movement is split between members who see antifa as communists, whom they want to dissociate from, and members who see them as "brothers-in-arms," MacNab said.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/06/19/what-is-boogaloo-movement/3204899001/

These Boogalooo Boys are a problem and their activities should be condemned for their anti-democratic views, endeavor for war, and destructive intentions. To me, although lesser of a threat than Antifa, share a common mission, explained rather well by VOX of all places:
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“They have no allegiance to liberal democracy, which they believe has failed the marginalized communities they’re defending. They’re anarchists and communists who are way outside the traditional conservative-liberal spectrum.”

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/7/3/20677645/antifa-portland-andy-ngo-proud-boys (I encourage people to read this entire article)

A good example of this is the harassment of Mayor Wheeler not only at his residence but even when he was out during the rioting/protesting. Antifa harrassed him, was physical with him, and called for his resignation. The fact he still doesn't condemn this group is mind-boggling, but I digress.

Both Antifa and The Boogaloo Boys need to called out for their actions and dismantled as quickly as possible. However, the immediacy in which people claim white supremacy in every headline should also be called out, as well as those who perpetuate it. Especially with so much racial unrest going on in this country.

But to address your point which you were attempting to make but did a rather poor job at it.... of course there are people both left and right out there rioting. I don't think anyone here disputes that. The stance is there is overwhelming evidence that groups like Antifa are the driving force behind these events. I think I've used the phrase "vast majority" and I stand by that. They are organizing, rallying support, and executing their intent. Are there parasite groups that latch on to either assist or ramp up notoriety or incite.....I have no doubt.


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The driving force behind all these events is trump and his supporters.


We the people get no justice. They get no peace.


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Has that plane full of Antifa Fighters landed anywhere yet? Asking for a friend!


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More importantly, did Rand Paul get the brown stains out of his underwear after BLM/ANTIFA walked him home? Asking for GOPer drama club.

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Look at what they do. They refuse to take the blame for anything far right wing groups do. They pretend that it's only those on the left involved.

I have no problem admitting that there are the fringe of the far left that are committing crimes on the streets of our cities. That's what accountability looks like. Yet for republicans, accountability has become a thing of the past. As we watch on our TV in our very own living rooms truck loads of armed Trump supporters at the site of the riots, engaging in inciting further violence and conflict, all they can do is say, "Nuh uh."

Boogaloo boys were actually tracked down from their social media accounts and arrested in Columbia South Carolina. One charged with breaking into a motor vehicle, looting, larceny and possession of marijuana with intent to distribute, based on videos from the riots.

The party of personal responsibility exists no more. And they wonder why sensible Republicans are leaving their side. Why groups like The Lincoln Project, who has raised almost 17 million dollars as of mid July. There are The Republican Voters Against Trump. You have veterans against Trump. Vote vets.

More and more Republicans are speaking out against Trump and all they can do is throw arrows at them in denial that a lot of normal Republicans see the man for what he is and no longer want their party associated with him.


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Feds and Police May Have Figured Out a Clever Way to Circumvent the Failure to Prosecute Rioters in Portland



September 2, 2020


by Nick Arama


One of the problems in dealing with the rioters in Portland is that the Multnomah County DA Mike Schmidt is not holding or charging most of the people arrested, meaning they were free to keep rioting and there were no real consequences for their actions.

Gov. Kate Brown said that she had a “plan” for dealing with the rioters which involved calling in assistance from sheriffs’ offices from nearby counties. But apparently she hadn’t even asked them before she announced the plan and they said no, because why should they come in to help, only to have the cases dismissed? Their reply made it clear that the problem was in the failure to hold the criminals accountable.

But now the feds and the Oregon State Police may have come up with a clever way of getting around Schmidt.



The Oregon State Police confirmed that they are working with the U.S. Attorney’s office to see what arrests they’ve made could qualify for federal charges. Plus, on top of that, the U.S. Marshals have federally deputized the troopers making them essentially federal agents. So if the rioters attack them, they are attacking federal agents and can be prosecuted for it by the U.S. Attorney’s Office. Rioters attack them in virtually every riot.

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“OSP is not criticizing any officials and we respect the authority of the [Multnomah County] District Attorney, but to meet the Governor’s charge of bringing violence to an end we will use all lawful methods at our disposal,” an Oregon State Police spokesperson said. [….]

“The U.S. Attorney and Multnomah County D.A. work together every day deciding which cases each will prosecute.”

Part of the reason this came about was that they had the OSP helping to protect the federal courthouse so the deputizing was to give them more freedom of movement in the courthouse. But now it has the added benefit of giving more prosecutorial options.

Way to go, feds. Even with Democratic political fail, the federal government is doing what it can to help out and shut down the crazy.

https://www.redstate.com/nick-arama/2020...rs-in-portland/


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let's face it,, everyone on the right is perfect..

By the way, did you get your invitation from Jerry Falwell Jr to watch?


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By the way, did you get your invitation from Jerry Falwell Jr to watch?


Yes I did but I sent him back an email explaining to him that I wasn't interested in his wife's sex life.


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All of this is being incited and or intensified by the Trump campaign and Trump himself. Trump feels that he needs to generate as much fear as he can in his base, centrist dems, and independent (mostly) white voters. He has openly said fear is the best way to govern, just like a dictator.

And I don't like the violence and destruction from those rioting regardless of who it actually is that is sparking the riots and looting in these racially charged hotspots. But I have to ask serious questions like how is the damage and cost of working class people rioting and looting any higher than the decisions made behind closed doors in corporate board meetings every day?

Corps sent jobs overseas to the detriment of the working class. Corps pay starvation wages to the detriment of the working class. Corps created the trade deficits with China and many other countries to the detriment of the working class. Corps buy and sell politicians to manipulate laws to the detriment of the working class. Corps are considered people but they don't go to jail or get shot in the back at point blank range. Corps don't vote or have citizenship. Corps commit fraud, sell products that destroy lives or kill, rig our political system, and run often criminal enterprises on a global scale with relative impunity! Corps can wipe out a person, family, community, economy, country, and even the world's markets knowing that even if they are caught it will only cost them pennies on the dollar to pay a fine! Rarely does anyone go to jail or even get called a criminal...

Yet when working class people peacefully take a stand for the INJUSTICE of blacks being targeted and killed by cops at a crazy disproportional rate compared to others, only to be incited to rioting and looting by outside influences and circumstances that keep factions of divided Americans infighting... Somehow that's all on BLM, ANTIFA and the Left?

When did the guaranteed constitutional right to protest suddenly become a radical extremist political, cultural, religious, race based class war/crime against the country when it's working class and poor people make a stand?

And why is this 'radical extremist' criminal classification held in much different regard than the same or worse type of crimes committed by corps every damn day? There is no excuse for the riots and looting or other crimes committed during the protests. But even as much of it as we have seen recently, the cost is miniscule compared to what has happened in the corporate boardrooms since the 50s.

Yet our POTUS paints it as the end of all things American for his political advantage, and condemns those who are not like him and his corporate/billionaire buddies (above the law)or those who have different political views. The POTUS views people like me as un American radical extremist leftist and not as a person who is a citizen with constitutionally guaranteed rights. The POTUS is trying to declare war on people like me, citizens like you, and somehow half the country thinks this is acceptable... half think it's okay to kill a person based on the color of their skin... half think it's ok to devalue the life of others based on political views, religion, country of origin, size of your bank account, and or color of your skin...

But BLM and ANTIFA is a problem... not the Corps that created so much inequality, not the POTUS who divides and runs a wannabe fascist admin, not the violent gun toting, bible thumping, racist white supremacy militia types instigating violence and killing people... NOPE, not those bad actors... It's all BLM and ANTIFA. rolleyes

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So most people championing how dangerous and violent BLM is and Antifa .... COMPLETELY IGNORE THE ALT RIGHT SUPREMACIST WHO ACTED AS IF HE WAS BLM TO MAKE THEM LOOK BAD !!!

Figures. #Factsdonotmatter


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Good news. Time to start punishing the anarchists and thugs who are terrorizing our cities.

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While I certainly do not dismiss the points you made, I actually agree with them. However I do believe it's a false equivalency. The deck has certainly been stacked in favor of large corporations. That point is certainly clear. As much as I dislike the way the laws have been set up however, for the most part the things you have brought up are within the confines of the law.

That is most certainly a shame yet it's true. Let's take how the blame falls on the unions by many people. I think people certainly make a valid point that unions went too far in many cases. I mean it has gotten to the point it's almost impossible to fire anyone in some major unions. Yet it's the only actual protection that your average worker has to protect themselves.

Rather than place the blame on the corporations, they blame the unions for job losses. The reality of the situation is that with or without unions, some of the nations these corporations move jobs to have wages that an American couldn't possibly live on with or without a union.

But let's look at another factor. We lose jobs to nations like Canada. It's not due to the wage discrepancy. Regulations are not all that much different. Those are the two major factors many blame the loss of American jobs on. But let's be honest here, the difference between us and Canada have to do with health care. Can you just imagine the savings a corporations rakes in by not having to provide an employee with healthcare benefits over the course of 30 years? Multiply by the number of employees in a big automotive factory and the answer as to why we are losing jobs to a place like Canada becomes painfully obvious.

But back to the main topic. We and almost everyone who is not a Republican certainly do not condone criminal acts that we see on our streets. I'm sure you would agree that they should be arrested and prosecuted for their crimes.

But what we see is the usual bait and switch con game. Take the focus away from the message trying to end police brutality and focus on the violence. Ignore the actual message of the average protestor on the street and attack the organization BLM rather than why these protestors are there. Most of the very same people we see doing this are actually aware of the difference between the movement and the organization. Yet that doesn't stop them from twisting the message they are trying to push.

If they can take the focus away from why the vast majority of the people are protesting and instead bring the focus on the small percentage of those wreaking havoc, their message becomes easy to sell. As per usual, Trump paves the way and his followers spread the disinformation.


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Feds and Police May Have Figured Out a Clever Way to Circumvent the Failure to Prosecute Rioters in Portland



September 2, 2020


by Nick Arama


One of the problems in dealing with the rioters in Portland is that the Multnomah County DA Mike Schmidt is not holding or charging most of the people arrested, meaning they were free to keep rioting and there were no real consequences for their actions.

Gov. Kate Brown said that she had a “plan” for dealing with the rioters which involved calling in assistance from sheriffs’ offices from nearby counties. But apparently she hadn’t even asked them before she announced the plan and they said no, because why should they come in to help, only to have the cases dismissed? Their reply made it clear that the problem was in the failure to hold the criminals accountable.

But now the feds and the Oregon State Police may have come up with a clever way of getting around Schmidt.



The Oregon State Police confirmed that they are working with the U.S. Attorney’s office to see what arrests they’ve made could qualify for federal charges. Plus, on top of that, the U.S. Marshals have federally deputized the troopers making them essentially federal agents. So if the rioters attack them, they are attacking federal agents and can be prosecuted for it by the U.S. Attorney’s Office. Rioters attack them in virtually every riot.

From KOIN:

“OSP is not criticizing any officials and we respect the authority of the [Multnomah County] District Attorney, but to meet the Governor’s charge of bringing violence to an end we will use all lawful methods at our disposal,” an Oregon State Police spokesperson said. [….]

“The U.S. Attorney and Multnomah County D.A. work together every day deciding which cases each will prosecute.”

Part of the reason this came about was that they had the OSP helping to protect the federal courthouse so the deputizing was to give them more freedom of movement in the courthouse. But now it has the added benefit of giving more prosecutorial options.

Way to go, feds. Even with Democratic political fail, the federal government is doing what it can to help out and shut down the crazy.

https://www.redstate.com/nick-arama/2020...rs-in-portland/


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Fascist overreach! Trump shredding the constitution again. That DA was elected by the people he serves. He is not a rubber stamp prosecutor for Trump or Barr and it his sole responsibility to make the decisions he is making rather your political views align or not. There is NOTHING right about circumventing the law... smh

Fascism isn't knocking on the door, it's here and has been for the last 4 years. I simply can't like or defend anyone who supports or wants fascism in America. And why are GOPers so concerned with what is happening in urban "Democrat Cities"? How does that remotely affect rural Trump supporters other than give them a reason to play with their guns and spread hate/fear amongst their klans.

If the GOP would call off the militant right's involvement, most of the rioting and looting would end AND even the protest would lose steam. But the right is fanning the flames just to try and lay the responsibility for the riots and looting at dems feet. SHAMEFUL!!!

EDIT: BTW - Show me where BLM or ANTIFA have killed anyone? So far all the people I've read about doing the killing have been right wingers and cops. But gunning down citizens in the streets is all cool with the right? And somehow BLM and ANTIFAs fault? GMAB

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Seems white on white crime is now driving the violence in Portland. Nothing to do with BLM.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nati...led/5713274002/


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Michael Reinoehl, Suspect in Portland Shooting, Is Killed by Law Enforcement

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By the way, did you get your invitation from Jerry Falwell Jr to watch?


Yes I did but I sent him back an email explaining to him that I wasn't interested in his wife's sex life.



LOL,, I see where your mind went rofl


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If your own family says that, you were probably a bad egg. Sad, but it happens.


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Kind of like the comments Trump's own sister made about him.


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If your own family says that, you were probably a bad egg. Sad, but it happens.


Yes it is.


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April identified her brother to police after the deadly Portland shooting, saying he was verbally abusive to their dementia-stricken mother and in a “downward spiral” of debt after a failed career as a professional snowboarder.


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Probably just a little sibling rivalry!

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I mean... even with the context/backstory, I still felt like I got punched in the chest when I read that tweet.


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The violence is now white on white violence. Whites killing whites. Antifa fighting White supremacy trump supporters spraying everyone with tear gas. BLM the only peaceful protesters now.


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Originally Posted By: PerfectSpiral
The violence is now white on white violence. Whites killing whites. Antifa fighting White supremacy trump supporters spraying everyone with tear gas. BLM the only peaceful protesters now.


I yi yi yi. And not one person challenged that post. It's not about right vs wrong on this board. It's about which agenda you favor.

The lack of honesty is disappointing.

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Originally Posted By: PerfectSpiral
The violence is now white on white violence. Whites killing whites. Antifa fighting White supremacy trump supporters spraying everyone with tear gas. BLM the only peaceful protesters now.


I yi yi yi. And not one person challenged that post. It's not about right vs wrong on this board. It's about which agenda you favor.

The lack of honesty is disappointing.


I'm pretty sure he was being ironic...


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