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I'll be ok with early-season struggles so long as we iron them out as we get into the middle of the season. If we struggle out of the gate and then continue to find different ways to struggle... then that means something isn't right.


This is the problem with the Browns, IMO ... this franchise has such a huge cloud hanging over its head that just seems to weigh down on the players and staff and snowball over a season when things aren't going good. The pressure is immense.

I think it's important they get off to a fast start. I am not confident there will be a mid-season surge or turnaround. No other franchise has the amount of pressure to be good and just falls apart when things aren't going good the way the Browns do.

Add in the explosive personalities that will be distractions if we lose, and a slow start will be disastrous, IMO.


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Dark clouds are only a part of the sky and weather.

The Browns are who they are today. Not a team from any other era.

Haslam is the owner. The decisions made by him both in the past and today are what is relevant.

Haslam and the people he hired failed. The record is the result of those failures.

Every team is under pressure. Every part of the NFL is about winning. Those who earn their living in the NFL all face that pressure.

The 2020 season is about this team and the staff that runs it.

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49ers not getting much love this year. What's the deal??


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I think it would be really hard for Brees to win MVP ... he’s slowed down considerably


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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People realized Garoppolo ain't that great?

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People realized Garoppolo ain't that great?


This.

Shannyn is good. D is good.

Jimmy G...eh, I see a crash down to earth.


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I’ve said it quite a bit, but IMO Shanny is the best coach we’ve had here since Marty


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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The guy takes a ton of abuse from media types and some fans. I wonder if people are jealous of him because he is so good-looking? Because, his record indicates that he isn't as bad as people make him out to be. I think I have this right:

--Jimmy G was 2 and 0 w/NE.

--SF went 5-0 w/Jimmy G in 2017 and 1 and 10 w/out him.

--SF went 4 and 12 w/out him in 2018 after they won the last 5 games of the year w/him in the previous year.

--SF went 13 and 3 last year w/him.

Thus, in SF alone, the 49ers are 18 and 3 w/Jimmy G and 5 and 22 w/out him. I think most reasonable people would at least recognize the significance of those numbers.

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The guy takes a ton of abuse from media types and some fans. I wonder if people are jealous of him because he is so good-looking? Because, his record indicates that he isn't as bad as people make him out to be. I think I have this right:

--Jimmy G was 2 and 0 w/NE.

--SF went 5-0 w/Jimmy G in 2017 and 1 and 10 w/out him.

--SF went 4 and 12 w/out him in 2018 after they won the last 5 games of the year w/him in the previous year.

--SF went 13 and 3 last year w/him.

Thus, in SF alone, the 49ers are 18 and 3 w/Jimmy G and 5 and 22 w/out him. I think most reasonable people would at least recognize the significance of those numbers.



Trent Dilfer won a Superbowl. Just sayin'.

Jimmy G is a competent QB that's been on pretty great teams.

When this happens the last time you take the field in a game that counts, there will be questions:



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Originally Posted By: devicedawg
People realized Garoppolo ain't that great?

Not ready to go there. I really wanted him on the Browns when he moved out of NE. He was playing really well before the sideline injury his first year with SF... I'm going to be interested to see where he is at this year, I actually expect him to be very good but I did not see a lot of him last season, don't think I saw the playoff loss.


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Nobody is saying Jimmy G is Peyton Manning re-incarnated. There are VERY few teams in the NFL that would NOT jump at the opportunity to add JG to their roster and start him.


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People realized Garoppolo ain't that great?


This.

Shannyn is good. D is good.

Jimmy G...eh, I see a crash down to earth.

Devil's advocate might say it's Shanny that may crash. In two SuperBowls he's been outscored 46-0 once the 4th quarter begins. He seems to forget how he got to that point, tosses his game plan in the trash, and plays "smartest guy on the field".

Neither indictment would make sense to me. Most of "Jimmy ain't that great" is never murmured if he completes that pass late in the game and is crowned SB MVP.

We'll see. He's young (as a QB), humble, and has the tools.


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I predicted the 49ers will win the Super Bowl this year. They were so close to winning it last year. They did lose some key pieces due to trades, FA, and injuries. The NFC is really tough, so it's a risky prediction. I do think they have a really solid team. I did pick the Chiefs to win it all last year.

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NFC is tough. The Saints, 49ers, Cowboys and Seahawks seem to be making it a guessing game. And then there's Tom Brady in TB...

I've been thinking about this because I'm a student of sports betting "futures". Look at the current odds to win the Superbowl among the NFC teams...

San Francisco 49ers +1000
New Orleans Saints +1000
Seattle Seahawks +1200
Dallas Cowboys +1200
Tampa Bay Buccaneers +1200

I'll throw out SEA because they'll be a Wildcard and have a tough road, I'll toss Dallas because Garrett simply cannot beat good teams, throw out TB because, uh no, just can't see it.

I'll add in Green Bay at +3000 to make things interesting (and those odds are way too high in the scheme of things).

I'll hedge my bet on SB Sunday by betting on the AFC team.

I'll make money as long as one of those three make it to "the big game".

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Cowboys have McCarthy now, so that may change things on their end. A lot will be how they stay healthy and how Dak performs obviuosly


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Good point, somehow forgot all about that and wrote them off lol.


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Good point, somehow forgot all about that and wrote them off lol.

haha i get it i cant even keep track of our own coach


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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My question with the Cowboys is the health of their OL.

Collins is starting on IR with Cam Erving likely filling in, and Tyron Smith and Zack Martin have missed practice time already. The latter two aren't on the injury report now, I don't think, but I don't think they're 100%, either.


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Cowboys have McCarthy now, so that may change things on their end. A lot will be how they stay healthy and how Dak performs obviuosly


If McCarthy has the Cowboys playing great and Stefanski and team stumble through the season, that's going to be a bad look on the Browns.

I can see this happening.


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People realized Garoppolo ain't that great?


This.

Shannyn is good. D is good.

Jimmy G...eh, I see a crash down to earth.

Devil's advocate might say it's Shanny that may crash. In two SuperBowls he's been outscored 46-0 once the 4th quarter begins. He seems to forget how he got to that point, tosses his game plan in the trash, and plays "smartest guy on the field".

Neither indictment would make sense to me. Most of "Jimmy ain't that great" is never murmured if he completes that pass late in the game and is crowned SB MVP.

We'll see. He's young (as a QB), humble, and has the tools.



I think you and Vers make good points. I was disappointed when we didn't acquire Jimmy G in a trade.

But when I watch him play, I feel like the team wins despite him. Dominate offensive system. Dominate defense. Everything went right for them last year including year 3 or 4 of Shanny and the consistent systems finally maturing.

Plus, I know it's hard to criticize a bad play in a Super Bowl, but he connects with Sanders and they win the Super Bowl.

I'm just not a big fan. I understand if others are.


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I see Stefanski just said he’s calling the plays


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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I can see how comparing a first time HC the same as a man who has had 13 years as an NFL HC is something you would do. You're setting the stage for things to come from you and people can see it.


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I can see how comparing a first time HC the same as a man who has had 13 years as an NFL HC is something you would do.


Ok, great. My first choice was McCarthy. I still don't know why we didn't hire him.

I hope Stefanski is great for a long time for the Browns.

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You're setting the stage for things to come from you and people can see it.


Who are the "people" that you speak of? I don't think people pay that much attention to me, but if you know differently, let me know. I'd like to use that "rent free" meme that gets tossed around here.

I don't care who the coach is, just win. But if Stefanski and Baker go 6-10 this year, I'm going to say they need another year. But I'm also going to gripe and moan about it all along the way too. I don't find it enjoyable watching a losing team Sunday after Sunday.

If McCarthy leads the Cowboys into the playoffs, I'm going to be peeved about that.


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McCarthy was my first choice as well. Most of us read the threads. Much like myself, yours is just another voice in the crowd. But it's still a voice. Let's just say that you seem to make it obvious you are setting the stage to complain if the team struggles and not really take the actual circumstances in mind as any reason to buffer it.


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I wanted McCarthy as well but I don't think he was coming to Cleveland.

Jones wanted him and he wanted them.

I may be dead wrong but I think we got a good coach. Time will answer that.

End the end I am a optimist. Especially when 0-0. Way to difficult to begin a season being negative. The year Cody Kessler started I knew we were the worst team in football and it killed me.

I know now we have talent. Is that enough? No. We found that out last year. It takes a team and coaches to be good.

This season will tell us a lot. I am hopeful but cautious. Weekly improvement will go a long ways for me.


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I wanted McCarthy as well but I don't think he was coming to Cleveland.


There was a lot of us who wanted him #1. There were probably as many who didn't want him... going to be interesting to see how they do. my memory is that McCarthy wanted nothing to do with us.


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j/c...

Cleveland was nothing more than McCarthy's backup-to-the-backup plan. He'd already interviewed with Carolina twice, had the Giants scheduled, and had to be well aware of the Garrett rumors. He just spent 13 years in Green Bay... next stop was Cleveland? No freakin' way!


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My gut tells me Stefanski will be a very good coach.

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Looking for a new coach on the clock.
Fake punt, same old Brown's

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Lol the fake punt was an abomination


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Lol the fake punt was an abomination


This was Stefanski's 4th and 12 draw play.


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I may need to re-think my prediction


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I may need to re-think my prediction

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I originally said 7-9 or 8-8. I'm thinking we may struggle to get there


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If we lay an egg Thursday, I think 3-4 wins is possible


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Originally Posted By: Dawgs4Life
If we lay an egg Thursday, I think 3-4 wins is possible


I'll take it if it nets us Lawrence.


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We lost by 32 this week.

Next biggest blowout in the league was a team losing by 14....


So it's going great.


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Originally Posted By: Lyuokdea
We lost by 32 this week.

Next biggest blowout in the league was a team losing by 14....


So it's going great.
thats a troubling stat. The narrative of having a new coach/system and no preseason games plays an impact, but we were the outlier .. even among teams with new coaches


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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