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Nah man. You just said I would show him where my wife and daughter were.

You are SO far out there it's sad.

You can prove that when it happens, until then you have no credibility when it comes to all things Trump, no matter how much you love and would do to protect you wife and daughter. You have shown nothing but 100% Trump loyalty, parroting, and devout following. Sickening really, smh.

That is uncalled for. While Arch may have some wacko political ideas he has shown numerous time that he is a standup family man.

Nope. I'm not going to tailor my general statements to fit arch's ego or pride. He's trying to bait me and I'm not giving him the satisfaction. They say things about the left and pedos all the time and I've never confronted him or any of them for that. arch is out of line.

What are arch's wacko political ideas?

Arch and I were going back and forth on deflection. I tossed that in to rib him a little bit and to try to lighten up a tense situation

Jacinda Ardern kicked ass early, and with a fierceness. She presided over her nation's SARS-CoV-2 protocol which provided the model every country should have emulated.

Kiwis understood her message because she delivered it clearly, and with a sense of purpose.

She did not incite panic, but she:

1. told her citizens exactly what the circumstances were
2. told her citizens what steps her admin was taking to protect the populace
3. informed New Zealanders what they could/should do to keep their country safe.



Jacinda Ardern had the same head start afforded to Donald Trump. She attacked the problem head-on, and asked her citizens to sign on to the mission. Kiwis understood the stakes... and acted as citizens united for a common cause: the protection of us all.


Two different Heads of State.
Two entirely different 'crisis management' results for the same existential threat.

Scale and proportion be damned- there are global, existential events that require each and every nation's leader to step the fk up- in a big way- with policies to help the people who constitute his/her governed.

Jacinda Ardern soared.
Donald Trump snored.

There is so much hatred in our 2 party system that no leader, D or R, would be able to do that. I don't care if he/she were the most intelligent, compassionate and charismatic person on the face of the earth. The opposing side would be flooding the media calling BS, and having a parade of "experts" say why the leader is harming the country. They wouldn't even consider that the way he's managing it would obviously be what's best for the citizenry. I really think we've reached a point of no return for the Dem/Repub monopoly to effectively run this country.

When you talk politics with just about anyone anymore, you hear why they're right, the other side is ignorant, case closed, no room for debate. If you go by the elections the past 2 decades, it's split right down the middle of our population. The power mongers in the 2 parties and the media are responsible for this.

No, the people are responsible for it.

We got too many Americans who don’t take their rights seriously, and we have a government that reflects exactly that.

Yet more insults, labeling, and false accusations leveled by the left. I don't see these types of posts from the right. Yet, it happens multiple times a day on this board from posters who are on the left.

Do you generally read your own posts?

It's a very stark contrast. And yes, Factual: and now with an audio of Trump to back everything up just in case peeps have not been paying attention ! And we still get deflection and posters wanting to whine and play victim. Victim Culture - the new American Norm.

...is it Victim Culture or Democrat Culture?

It's going to be funny (sad funny, soul crushingly, laugh to keep from crying...) when Jacinda loses her election and Donnie wins his.

I don't like it, but it's not hard to see coming.

People have been playing the victim card in US politics for a long time. There's nothing new about it.

Never take responsibility and blame the other side. It's practically the politicians' creed. Now it's just reached critical mass in the general populace.

It's worse than ever.

“The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.”- George Orwell, 1984

“What you’re seeing and what you’re reading is not what’s happening,” -a recent trump quote

I can’t wait until this lying scumbag is gone. Maybe he can buy an island and take his cult followers with him.

The biggest question everyone should be asking themselves is if trump tried to downplay it for the people......

Or did his precious stock market. Those are two different motivations.

trumps only priority is to try and get reelected. If over 200,000 us citizens die "it is what it is"

I am not a Trump supporter, but the media coverage on this issue is completely slanted and needs to be identified as such.

The media never points out that these quotes came in early February when the whole world was still gathering information on the virus from China and trying to better understand what was going on. The press had acccess to the same information as the Executive branch and the CDC. If they thought that Trumps statements or any other statements from the government were misleading in early February, then they should have called him out on it then.

The whole criticism is based on an interpretation of small sentence fragments, lacking context, and viewing thing through a lens of what we know now in September. Based on peoples general lack of knowledge on viruses, saying that Coronavirus is "like the flu" is completely reasonable at the time, because it is a family of viruses that most people are familiar with and that likeness helps distinguish it from other viruses like West Nile Virus that spread through other means and produce different symptoms.

In early February, we didn't even have the information from the Diamond Princess Cruise. There were less than a dozen known cases in the U.S. I was booking a vacation for March because I had assumed that this was just another virus hysteria that wouldn't have much impact in the U.S., as I had seen many times before like H1N1, SARS, and Zika. When he shutdown flights to China, I figured he was just using COVID-19 as another excuse to criticize and punish China for trade and political reasons.

Did anybody reasonably expect Trump, of all people, to present sound scientifically supported information with regard to COVID-19's infectiousness and impact at that time?

While it is always fair to criticize the President for the information that he provides to the public, it is not necessarily reasonable. In this case, it is not reasonable because a) He is in no way qualified to discuss infectious diseases, b) your news organization has access to the exact same information that he does, and c) the news organizations are critiquing him with the benefit of hindsight.

The irony of all of this is that the news media, who also has a moral obligation to do its best to provide fair and accurate information to the public, could hold itself to the exact same standard, but they will not. Having access to the same, if not better, information from China, did they ever compare it to the flu? How many deaths did they predict? Could any sentence fragments be harvested from the same news source and be perceived as contradictory? I am sure the answer to all of these questions is YES.

Now to be balanced and provide a reasonable criticism of Trump, As a President, we shouldn't expect him to know much about diseases or science in general. It is part of his job to select people around him that are competent in the sciences to lead organizations like the CDC and NIH. They also need to be people that he has confidence in. In my opinion, he has done a poor job in this respect. For example, he clearly does not highly trust Fauci's opinions, but he also hasn't replaced Fauci with a competent person that he does trust. On the other hand, I am not sure that such a person can be found, because, on this particular issue, is clear that he is so reluctant to support anything that will damage the economy, that he only wants to hear good news when it comes to the virus.

I think a lot of these statements are from Mid-March or even April:

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/presiden...ory?id=72912827

I'm certain that you already know the answer to that, Swish....

I'm not sure they are completely disconnected. There's definitely not a direct correlation, but generally speaking a strong economy is good for most citizens. A market crash is bad for most people.

I certainly wish that the benefits of a strong economy were more equitably distributed.

There's a balance to be struck between restrictions for "health" reasons and not contracting the economy (perhaps catastrophically.) I don't think Trump struck the right balance, but it's not as simple an either/or, straightforward, binary situation as you are presenting it there.

“Now the Democrats are politicizing the coronavirus,” Trump said. “They have no clue, they can't even count their votes in Iowa.”

“This is their new hoax."

^^ that was in february.

please enlighten us. what was taken out of context?

also, reread your entire post. literally nowhere did you address the fact that Trump TOOK it seriously behind closed doors, and decided to blow it off in public anyway.

that has nothing to do with slanted media. you keep trying to make excuses for the president using perspectives thats not even applicable.

for crying out loud, the right keeps mentioning him shutting down china, when the main cause of the pandemic in America came from EUROPE TO NYC.

i mean good god you missed the entire point: Trump KNEW the freaking virus was serious, but decided to drag his ass anyway.

thats not the media's fault, 003.

except it is, because Trump is a linear thinker.

i love how the right now doesn't bring up H1N1 anymore. that virus killed 12000 americans in one year.

COVID-19 killed 180,000 in 6 months.

and what was trump's response?

"i dont take responsibility for any of it."

"it is what it is."

"I give myself an A"

yea, thats the media's fault alright....

at what point is the right gonna hold trump responsible for anything?

this man was so correct when he said he could shoot someone on 5th ave and still have support. cause even the people who claim not to support him....get on the internet and defend him, despite no credible defense existing.

but we all know the play calls. blame the libs, the media, and now its somehow Woodward's fault for not bringing this up earlier.

never Trump's fault. the POTUS isn't responsible for anything, unless its good.

Just can the BS already! I stayed out of here (most conversations) for almost a week. And I watched you GOPers having cirlce smirk after circle smirk bashing the left. Calling us everything from commie scum to pedos and there were zero ref edits or whoa is me responses from the left. You aren't doing anything grand or novel with your shift to the right, you are just another GOPer voice crying about how bad you have it and how mean the world has been to you... wha wha wha.

Dems have every right to say anything they want about GOPers, y'all strapped us with Trump. You are responsible for the crap he does and says 100%! If y'all didn't enable him, he wouldn't be doing any of this. Kick rocks. And call my posts out again and we can just have our own little ALL OUT WAR on here. I so don't like your political new you or true you I should say... Always knew you were a closet conservative.

He's "unfit" is not an excuse because he has cost lives, lots of lives.
He's stupid is not an excuse because he's cost lives, lot of lives.
He's trying to not cause a panic... well that's just BS. He is the embodiment of chaos and confusion, he thrives there.

yo the "try not to cause panic" line is freaking gold.

are we talking about the same guy who is claiming NOW that the upcoming election will be rigged and full of fraud?

the same guy who is currently trying to scare suburban housewives into voting for him?

don't get me started over his panic over the migrant caravans. him and his entire cult was in full panic mode over that.

this crap is hilarious.

I think it's hard to qualify or quantify what impact good leadership would have had on the USA death total. I always feel that focusing on something so subjective gets the topic off course. Virtually any sane person including Trump supporter can accept and say Trump failed miserably with CV-19. I'm happy to stick to that.

Yeah but alot of other people do listen and abide by what the politicians and health professionals tell them. And if that narrative is not honest and for the good of the people-you have a crap show like what is happening now.

Case in point-
2 days ago in a meeting for work-one of our owners lamented that we are still under the telework order from the state of Pa-and he said that he was upset that there really hasn't been any update lately-but as soon as the governor says that we can start working in the office-they will look at restrictions required and start bringing back people to the office.

We had a zoom school board meeting about 3 weeks ago and the school board members kept asking the superintendent when she changed from 5 days in school to a flex schedule because in working with the staff, that was the only way the kids could go back to school was if there was 40 to 50 percent that chose to go remote. The board members kept asking whats it really matter-2 of them said that this is not dangerous for kids and they need their social interaction skills and parents need to go back to work-the superintendent said that we only have 15 percent going remote and if you listen to the medical and not the political people-there is a short term risk to teen age kids and an unknown long term affect.
and there have already been a significant increase in college age covid numbers-now we will see about middle and high school age.

And even if he was not trying to panic-then why almost 7 months later are there still in some areas issues with testing. Then why was the defense production act not instituted for the production for PPE. Our business for months had women in the office sewing facemasks for workers out in the field. And we are still having trouble finding certain other items like wipes.

why push people back to work if you know?

Why make kids go back to school?

Then why was there a rally in Michigan yesterday where there were 4-5 thousand people and only about 10% had a mask on-

you knew-you just don't care

There are a lot of "stupid" people in the world. Trump's one of them.

Well at least we have had beautiful tests for anyone who wants them since March 6th. Thats on tape too! No lies there

Once again, the left resorting to personal attacks, threats, and insults.

He's the leader of a very large portion of them.