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It’s good to see Teller on that list. It would be nice to not worry about that spot.

For us to ever be in a 3 WR set is a recipe for disaster. We have a lot of information to support us using 2/3 TEs per play.

Also, I’ll say two things about our TE play yesterday:
1. Njoku balled out ... that was one of the few positives
2. Hooper with 2 targets? Unacceptable

Baker was 3-10 passing to OBJ for a 30% completion percentage.

Baker was 18-25 passing to everyone else for a 72% completion percentage.

I do not know why these two cannot get in sync with one another.

I went to PFF and here is their grades for the game:

Offense

QB
Mayfield - 57.0 on 73 plays

RB
Chubb - 60.2 (35)
Hunt - 64.4 (36)
Janovich - 57.7 (10)

TE
Hooper - 60.7 (56)
Njoku - 92.3 (17)
Bryant - 50.5 (31)
Carlson - 74.7 (13)

WR
Beckham - 46.6 (55)
Landry - 69.2 (52)
Hodge - 54.3 (41)
Higgins - 66.2 (16)

OL
Tretter - 74.0 (73)
Bitonio - 75.8 (73)
Teller - 91.2 (73)
Conklin - 73.1 (73)
Wills - 63.2 (57)
Lamm - 62.7 (16)

Defense

DL
Garrett - 65.0 (48)
Vernon - 48.3 (42)
Richardson - 76.8 (36)
Ogunjobi - 94.1 (32)
Clayborn - 66.4 (32)
Taylor - 74.6 (12)
Elliott - 76.4 (26)
Gustin - 58.1 (11)

LB
Goodson - 38.4 (49)
Takitaki - 66.3 (54)
Smith - 87.2 (19)
Phillips - 47.5 (12)
Davis - 61.1 (10)

S
Joseph - 51.8 (59)
Sendejo - 30.9 (59)
Harrison - 60.3 (2)

CB
Ward - 58.0 (59)
Mitchell - 60.9 (59)
Thomas - 45.8 (28)

Thanks for sharing this info!

What I saw :

Baker does not throw in rhythm, he waits too long because he doesn't trust what he sees which results in most plays being broken plays. I'm not sure how much of this is a Baker problem or play call problem.

Baker locks on to his primary target and his eyes stay there....he doesn't look safeties off...big problem

On Andrews first TD Karl Joseph was at the back of the end zone and actually slid the other way where there were no receivers....go back and watch it...ridiculous

Our secondary looked really confused all game

Hunt looked explosive... I thought he looked better than Chubb and Chubb looked fine. It will be a problem finding enough touches for these two

Our Tackles looked really good...pass protection was excellent

OBJ looks disinterested. Hardly saw Higgins

jacob Phillips has good burst... he is thinking too much right now but I like his potential

Too many empty backfield sets.... I hate that, especially on 3rd or 4th and short. Need to keep the LB's and safeties honest which we didn't do

Well Phillips is probably out for a long time ... he was injured

Interesting.

I think there are four missing incompletions in the "everyone else" part.

Baker had 4 throwaways when avoiding a sack/pass rush so he threw 39 passes, but only had 35 targets.

I know this is piling on Baker, but I don't think it has anything to do with OBJ. I think a better QB gets better results from Odell. Baker doesn't go through his progressions, doesn't recognize who's open, doesn't have any anticipation of what might happen after the snap, and ends up running a very disjointed offense where no one is in rhythm or flow. Then you probably have guys losing confidence in Baker as well and things start to snowball.

I don’t even think Baker's presnap recognition is where it needs to be. There was a play yesterday where someone other than Humphrey was guarding Odell. I don’t care what the play call in the huddle was...you recognize that and your first read now becomes OBJ. Baker never looked at him and threw an incomplete pass. Odell was wide open. Come on, this should be football 101 ....elementary stuff.

Believe it or not, I think Stefanski was a bigger disappointment than Baker. I kept commenting on here that it didn't look like they were accomplishing much in training camp and that Baker didn't look good and needed more work. Stefanski gave an even number of reps to him and Keenum from the stuff I saw. It was obvious Baker needed more work than this. Your objective as a coach is to prepare your team to win games. It looks like the only thing Stefanski did was "teach" the playbook and try to keep everyone healthy. That didn't help us win the game.

Could have gotten the same result with Freddie. Where's this huge improvement we were supposed to see.

Got it. Thanks for clarifying.

j/c...

That doesn't sound good for Siebert.

Agreed.

Man, I feel bad when these guys lose their jobs, but you almost have to cut Seibert at this point. One, he missed his only two kicks in beautiful weather with no fans in the stands. Two, send a message to the rest of the team about accountability. Third, he wasn't that good last year. No reason to think he'll turn it around.

I hate the Ravens, but Justin Tucker might be the best kicker I've ever seen.

I thought that too. Tucker is dang near automatic

Just send Seibert to the PS and promote Cody Parkey. Also, tell Seibert to get to the hair salon and get his hair dyed back for good measure.

We can watch Parkey doink the ball off the uprights for a game.

I think Baker's troubles w/reading post-snap coverages is also causing him problems in other areas, such as accuracy. It's gotta be hard to be real accurate when you don't trust what you are seeing.

I think OBJ was bad yesterday. Dude stepped out of bounds on a route. That's lame. The drop was off of a ball that was a bit behind him and kinda high while running over the middle and receivers hate that......but, you gotta catch that pass.

I heard a commentator earlier this morning ripping on Baker and mentioned that there's trouble when your receivers are looking at you sideways because that usually means they don't think you can ball. I wonder if that will happen here or if it already happening?

This is a tough call. It's way too early to consider replacing Baker. He needs more time. However, this team has a ton of talent and it would suck to waste it on a guy who is never going to get it.

I would never wish even a slight injury on a player, but kinda wish Baker's wife was pregnant and he would miss one game to be w/her for the birth of their child, just so I could see what the offense would look like w/a different qb in there.

Too bad the different QB is Case Keenum.

I know, but in a way, it might be more telling. For example, if the team actually looked good w/Case at qb, that might be more telling in regards to Baker.

Based on what we saw during training camp both are terrible but Keenum is more terribler.

If the side-eye starts coming from more than just OBJ, then I'm right there with you. OBJ (for me) is too much of a diva to take these types of things at face value. Landry or one of the TE's, on the other hand... yeah, ok definitely sound the alarm.


If Case Keenum does end up playing, I hope it's for 5+ games. Gotta get him past those first ~2-3 games so that backup magic can wear off and they regress back to the mean. Then we can make a good comparison.

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j/c

Okay, after muddling through this entire thread, I'm sensing somewhat of a theme. The blame game of how one play or two plays are responsible for the entire failure in the game. This is a false narrative at best. Each individual player and how he is prepared for the game and performs in the game is not the responsibility of others.

This is not a dis on Baker. It's a dis on those blaming OBJ for Baker's woes.

If as some contend OBJ takes Baker's focus away because he isn't the "alpha male" since OBJ is here, that isn't a fault of OBJ, that's a weakness on the part of Baker.

If as some contend one dropped pass causes everyone else to fail, that's not the weakness of the guy who dropped the pass. That's a weakness on those who lose focus when even the smallest of obstacles cross their path.

If a single missed FG causes your defense to give up a huge scoring drive right before half time, that's not on the kicker, that's on the defense for giving up a huge scoring drive.

Let's quit pointing the finger in blame because others failed.

Baker chose to keep passing the ball to OBJ. That's Baker's decision, not OBJ's. And many of those passes were not accurate. OBJ had a terrible game. Baker had a terrible game. The defense, especially LB's and the defensive backfield had a terrible game. Seibert had a terrible game.

There's plenty of blame to go around. What I won't do is blame another player for the terrible play of someone else as an individual.

As for what I saw yesterday it was disappointing even for me. And I'm a guy who predicted a 6-10 record. Sure, I understood we were limited in time to prepare for the season with a new HC and no preseason. But yesterday looked more like a complete meltdown.

It's only one game. And maybe the team will learn from it and improve as time goes on. That I can't say. But the deeper we dig the hole the harder it will be to dig ourselves out of. Time will tell.

lmao this is true

My thoughts on our play:

Defense: DLine was aggressive, but seemed to give up gaps easily. Linebackers - I'm not sure they mattered; Secondary was hot garbage.

Offense: Ever watch a hyperactive, over-tired puppy surrounded by toys? He can't figure out what he wants to do and just kinda spastically jumps from one to the other without warning or rhythm..... that's how our offense felt. Now, spray every single one of that puppy's toys with bitters and his reaction is how we executed my of the time. 3rd and 41.

Special teams: Seibert is gone; well earned.

I was kind of thinking the same thing, but with OBJ instead of Baker. It's a lot easier to swap out one WR than it is the QB. Just to see if things look better without OBJ out there. The first series Baker looked fairly sharp until Calais got his hand on the one- none of them were to OBJ, though OBJ looked like he was doing his job that series.

I'm going back through the game on gamepass. All-22 isn't up yet, so trying to see what I can see in the second pass of the broadcast version.

One thing that stands out so far is Sendejo might have been even worse than I thought. It looks like on the first Andrews TD, he randomly decided to play man when everyone else was in zone and Andrews was wide open in the space that he vacated.

On the fake punt, I think Priefer got too cute. They were trying to take a play out of rugby it looks like. I think it was supposed to be an option, and what looked like Sendejo missing a block was him trying to swing wide for a planned pitch/lateral. If it had been called a straight run, it probably would have worked.

Usually fake punts are based on a presnap read. The punt protector probably saw something and then called for the fake.

I don't feel as bad as I did after the second watch. Lamar Jackson to Mark Andrews is going to give a lot of teams fits. Also, there is a reason Tavierre Thomas has primarily been a special teamer. If he was in coverage, they pretty much picked on him at will. Hopefully we get some corners healthy soon.

I was probably harder on Sendejo than I should have been. He did have the one blown coverage on the first TD it looked like, but it was week 1 with limited reps and a weird offseason. The long completion to Hollywood Brown was just a perfectly placed ball, and I don't think any safeties are keeping up with that guy for long in a foot race. The fake punt, I'm leaning more and more towards blaming the stupid playcall (brilliant if it had worked, of course.)

We ran play action more than I thought. However, we might as well not have, it was consistently sold so poorly. If the running back is nowhere near where you half heartedly jab out the ball, it becomes obvious that its not a running play pretty quickly. The deficit didn't help.

Baltimore's too good to become one dimensional. Once we fell behind, they stayed plastered to our receivers pretty well. Humphrey, Peters, and Tavon Young are all good players.

OBJ's drops are still frustrating, but he didn't check out as badly as I thought he had live.

Add in Sendejo and it is little wonder at the success they had. They were literally just playing catch out there.

I don't know if a player would have the authority to call it on his own in that part of the field. I'm guessing there was an "if they give us this look" you can try the fake conversation. Whoever decided, that's probably not the situation to do it.

Especially with how little live special teams practice we've most likely had.

I don't think Sendejo was as bad as it felt live. Thomas on the other hand was getting blown by by the likes of Willie Snead (and his 4.6 combine "speed") like he was standing still.

I understand what you are saying about his 4.6 speed. However, Jerry Rice ran a 4.7 at the combine. It's not about inline speed. It's about route running.

I feel so horrible right now.

I tuned in to local Columbus radio, at least to hear the talk about the yesterdays opening day of NFL football.

I have never, (and I hate when people use that word wrongly but I'm still going to), "never" in 35++ years of Columbus media

in 35++ years, Columbus Ohio media has never been this negative on the Cleveland Browns as they are this year.

First, pre game, the newscasts barely even mention the Browns anymore, it's Bengals, and
and
and
Time and time again has PROVEN, there are a TON--- MORE Browns fans in this city than Bengal fans,

EVEN IN THE BENGALS 2 Super Bowl LOSS years, it was proven there are a ton more Browns fans in Columbus than Bengals fans,

But these guys are SO NEGATIVE

I just want to give it all up, keep me away from the pills.

They want to get rid of Baker, and they love Stefanski

And I feel like

it's going to be another 10 years if they give up on Baker,

Before the Browns will even be competitive again.

I'm too old,
I'll be DEAD, before the Browns win year after year,

I have to take a step back,

And we're only one game in.

They better win Thursday

What can we say about a team that can't figure out how to cut a kicker in 12 months off,

but after one game,
Cuts the kicker, who missed every kick.


Now HOW CAN I TRUST THEM TO GET A NEW KICKER THAT CAN KICK!

And it's freaking KICKING!
it's not even
it's KICKING!!
One Snap out of 40!

and they've messed that up

WITH 12 MONTHS TO DECIDE,
I mean, did they even have a PRACTICE!

And how do you NOT SEE, that a kicker can't make a kick?

It's more obvious than a Red colored counterfeit dollar bill!