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Maybe Putin is supposed to hook him up with his next mail order bride? But want to be dictators put current dictators on a pedestal. I mean Trump said it himself. He said he's in love with the dictator of North Korea.

Can you imagine the stroke Republicans would be having if a Democrat president ever said something like that or that they believed Putin over our own intelligence community?

But all they have are cheap excuses and blame us for TDS. What a crock.

I'll reply to this later. Even though you have flat out called me a racist on many occasions, I still read your posts with an open mind. Unlike last word larry.

bro you've called me all kinds of crap on this board and we've still moved on.

tis the way of DT. look and Vers and I. trash each other constantly and still reply to one another.

i'm too old to be holding grudges. you're DEFINITELY too old to be doing that.

Which one would you like? The fact that Russia just conducted the biggest war games off the coast of Alaska since the cold war? Or that they threatened one of our bombers over open water?

In case you missed it, neither of those are good things no matter how much you protest. But you see, those aren't isolated incidents in regards to Russia no matter how much you would like to ignore the situation in its totality.

Or the one where you try to blame everyone else for it by using stupid BS like LWL? Unless you think a dumb comment like that was staying on topic?



Of course looking at only one aspect of it would be best for you.

Way to stay on topic!

thankfully the military personnel aren't supporting the clown anymore.

US bounties, Trump selling us off to the Saudis as if we're mercenaries, etc.

If obama stood side by side with putin and took his side over our own US intelligence agencies, the republicans would've had him impeached and removed from office before he even landed back in the states from Helsinki.

Trump? they completely ignored it.

No, no he's not.

j/c

World War 3 fears: US intercepts six Russian warplanes in furious Alaskan coast standoff
WORLD War 3 fears have been ignited once again after the US intercepted six Russian military warplanes near Alaska's coast.
By STEVEN BROWN
PUBLISHED: 16:17, Sun, Aug 30, 2020 | UPDATED: 16:17, Sun, Aug 30, 2020

According to the North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD), launched a F-22 fighter aircraft to intercept three groups of two Tu-142 Russian maritime patrol aircraft which entered the Alaskan Air Defense Identification Zone (ADIZ).

The planes were believed to have loitered in the zone for around five hours and crept within 50 nautical miles of the shoreline.

However, the Russian aircrafts stayed in international airspace and did not enter US or Canadian airspace.

NORAD’s commander, Air Force General Glen VanHerck said: “Our northern approaches have had an increase in foreign military activity as our competitors continue to expand their military presence and probe our defences.

“This year, we’ve conducted more than a dozen intercepts, the most in recent years.

“The importance of our continued efforts to project air defence operations in and through the north has never been more apparent.”

Tensions between Washington and Moscow have escalated this week after US defences were alerted to a Russian submarine which surfaced near Alaska.

Northcom wrote on Twitter: “We closely track vessels of interest, including foreign military naval vessels, in our area of responsibility.

“The current Russian maritime activity is taking place in international waters well outside the US territorial sea.

“We have not received any requests for assistance from the Russian Navy or other mariners in the area.”

A senior Pentagon official said the submarine was unusual and could carry a message.

They told Newsweek: “A military submarine’s purpose is to operate undetected against adversary forces.

“To surface in a highly-populated fishing zone is either an indication of an emergency or to strategically broadcast its presence.

“It is highly unlikely that the Russians would risk detection unless that was their intent.”

On Friday, the US State Department issued a statement condemning the Russian activity and said they would be investigation the “unprofessional interactions” of the Russian military forces.

US officials have warned Russia’s military off the US coasts, especially submarines, poses a national security threat to the US.

Earlier in the week, a group of Alaskan fishing vessels raised alarms to Washington after Russian warships conducted nearby military exercises.

The US confirmed the Russian military were taking part in drills known to American officials and claimed to be tracking nearby activity.

APM report the drills are likely to continue into September.

Back in July, a Russian warship was spotted near the coast of Britain.

The Russian submarine was reportedly conducting a surfaced transit from the Eastern Mediterranean alongside its ocean-going tug Sergey Balk and passed through waters close to the UK.

The Royal Navy was deployed to intercept the submarine.

Lieutenant Justin Shirtcliff, HMS Tyne’s Operations Officer, said: “Tyne responded in a coordinated effort with allies to shadow the Russian submarine and her escort while transiting the English Channel.

“This routine undertaking is an enduring task for the Royal Navy, in which Tyne and her sister ships of the Royal Navy’s Overseas Patrol Squadron play a key role.”

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/132...ws-Alaska-coast

Last post till I take off. We've gone at it.

But dude, when you call me racist, repeatedly, because of who I voted for without really knowing me.....in the words of biden "c'mon man".

We had an uproarious laugh one time when a teen girl confused busting a gut with some other phrase,
(for nearly losing it in laughter)
and I don't mean blowing a gasket.

DHS withheld bulletin warning of Russian planned attack on Biden's mental health: report

The Department of Homeland Security in July withheld an analysis meant for its federal, state and local law enforcement partners that warned Russia would attempt to push “allegations about the poor mental health” of Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden.

ABC reported that the analysis also touches on efforts by Iran and China to ream President Trump, but that the report mostly focuses on Russia's attacks on Biden's mental acuity.

Titled “Russia Likely to Denigrate Health of US Candidates to Influence 2020 Election,” the bulletin was submitted for review to DHS' legislative and public affairs office on July 7, with the intention of it being released to the appropriate parties on July 9.

However, shortly after it was submitted, a senior DHS officer intervened, emails obtained by ABC News show.

“Please hold on sending this one out until you have a chance to speak to [acting DHS Secretary Chad Wolf]," agency chief of staff John Gountanis wrote.

Despite this happening in July, the memo has still never circulated, according to the network.

A DHS spokesperson told ABC that although the agency “generally does not comment on leaked documents, this particular draft product lacked the necessary context and evidence for broader dissemination outside of the Department of Homeland Security’s Office of Intelligence and Analysis.”

“After briefing the Acting Secretary and he asked questions,” the spokesperson told the network, “[Office of Intelligence and Analysis] career leadership decided to delay the product for further review.”

In the report, the agency reportedly says that it has “high confidence” that “Russian malign influence actors are likely to continue denigrating presidential candidates through allegations of poor mental or physical health to influence the outcome of the 2020 election.”

“High confidence means what it sounds like -- that they are highly confident that their assessment is accurate and they don’t use that language very often,” Elizabeth Neumann, a former assistant DHS secretary during the Trump administration, told ABC News.

John Cohen, former undersecretary for intelligence at DHS under President Obama, added: “We are hearing concerns being raised publicly that, in this administration, intelligence community reporting is being modified or blocked for political reasons — or to not anger the president. By blocking information from being released that describes threats facing the nation, it undermines the ability of the public and state and local authorities to work with the federal government to counteract the threat.”

Trump campaign spokesperson Tim Murtaugh told the network “We don’t need or want any foreign interference. ...President Trump will beat Joe Biden fair and square.”

The Hill has reached out to DHS and the White House for comment.

https://thehill.com/homenews/administrat...-on-bidens-poor

I agree with you here, Swish. I think I've made known before that I am not a fan of either side, so I have no political loyalty to either party.

With that being said, Russia has very methodically increased its ambition during this administration. I objectively do not understand how people do not find Trump's repeated silence on Russia, throughout the course of his presidency, to be concerning.

I think the whole impeachment debacle was a stupid swing-and-miss tactic, and I think trying to prove collusion was a never-achievable goal. However, I do feel there has been two things which are factual: 1) Russia wanted Trump to be president and 2) He has played awfully nice with them.

I abhor the backhanded aggression by Russia and China, and I actually appreciate some of the aggression Trump has toward China, because it seems to many in politics and society that China is untouchable. But when it comes to Russia, I find a lot of concerns with the whole dynamic.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-looks-alone-world-stage-122629311.html

Trump looks alone on the world stage as international leaders line up to condemn the poisoning of Russian dissident Alexey Navalny
Business Insider
tcolson@businessinsider.com (Thomas Colson,Adam Bienkov)
,Business Insider•September 3, 2020
Business Insider

Donald Trump remained silent on Wednesday as world leaders called on Russian president Vladimir Putin to explain the poisoning of Russian dissident Alexey Navalny.

Navalny was taken ill on a plane in August after drinking a cup of tea at an airport in Siberia and is now being treated at a hospital in Germany.

German chancellor on Wednesday said that Navalny had been poisoned by a Novichok nerve agent, similar to one which was previously used to poison a former Russian spy in England in 2018.

Joe Biden, the Democratic presidential candidate, said Trump's silence on the matter made him complicit.

World Leaders, including Angela Merkel and Boris Johnson offered vocal condemnation of Navalny's poisoning and said that the Russian government should explain its actions in relation to the incident.

But Trump did not yesterday mention the incident, either in Twitter or in a statement, despite tweeting dozens of times throughout the day, and nor did US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo.

Donald Trump looks increasingly alone on the world stage, as he fails to join the growing international outrage over the poisoning of the Russian opposition leader, and leading critic of President Putin, Alexey Navalny.

German chancellor Angela Merkel on Wednesday said that Navalny, a politician and activist whose vocal criticism of Putin's government has made him a celebrity in Russia, had last week been poisoned in August with a chemical nerve agent from the Novichok group.

Navalny was taken ill on a plane in August after drinking a cup of tea at an airport in Siberia and is now being treated at a hospital in Germany.

Speaking at a press conference, Merkel said Navalny had been the "victim of a crime" and said his attackers "wanted to silence him."

She added: "There are very serious questions now which only the Russian government can and must answer. The fate of Alexey Navalny has received a lot of attention worldwide. The world will wait for an answer."

The poison was from the same group of agents used to poison former KGB agent Sergei Skripal and his daughter in England in 2018, an attack for which the UK and other governments hold the Russian government responsible.

UK prime minister Boris Johnson joined Merkel in offering vocal condemnation of Navalny's poisoning.

"It's outrageous that a chemical weapon was used against Alexey Navalny," Johnson said on Wednesday.

"The Russian government must now explain what happened to Mr Navalny – we will work with international partners to ensure justice is done."

Johnson's spokesman called on other world leaders come together to act against those responsible.

"The international community must come together and use all the tools at our disposal to hold the perpetrators accountable," he said on Thursday.

Countries, including Canada, Italy and France also joined the condemnation, with French Foreign Affairs Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian saying that he condemned, "in the strongest possible terms the shocking and irresponsible use of such an agent."

The European Union also issued a statement, with the EU's High Representative for Foreign Affairs Josep Borrell saying in a statement that "The use of chemical weapons under any circumstances is completely unacceptable and a breach of international law."

Yet despite these growing calls, both in the US and abroad, to condemn the poisoning, Trump has yet to personally address it.

Joe Biden, the Democratic presidential candidate, on Wednesday said that Trump's silence amounted to "complicity" in the attack.

"Once again, the Kremlin has used a favorite weapon – an agent from the Novichok class of chemicals – in an effort to silence a political opponent," Biden said in a statement. "It is the mark of a Russian regime that is so paranoid that it is unwilling to tolerate any criticism or dissent."

"His silence is complicity," Biden said of Trump. "As president, I will do what Donald Trump refuses to do: work with our allies and partners to hold the Putin regime accountable for its crimes."

The administration did address the incident on Wednesday with a statement on Twitter by John Ullyot, the National Security Council spokesperson.

"The United States is deeply troubled by the results released today. Alexei Navalny's poisoning is completely reprehensible," Ullyot said.

"Russia has used the chemical nerve agent Novichok in the past. We will work with allies and the international community to hold those in Russia accountable, wherever the evidence leads, and restrict funds for their malign activities.

"The Russian people have a right to express their views peacefully without fear of retribution of any kind, and certainly not with chemical agents."

However, US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, who held a press conference after Merkel's announcement, didn't mention the poisoning, according to CNN.

John Bolton, Trump's former national security adviser, called on Trump to issue an "urgent statement ... demanding a full explanation from the Russians."

However, despite the growing pressure on Trump to speak out against the apparent poisoning of a Russian opposition figure, the president remains conspicuously silent on the issue.

Read the original article on Business Insider

Russia, China and Iran hackers target Trump and Biden, Microsoft says

Hackers with ties to Russia, China and Iran are attempting to snoop on people and groups involved with the US 2020 presidential election, Microsoft says.

The Russian hackers who breached the 2016 Democratic campaign are again involved, said the US tech firm.

Microsoft said it was "clear that foreign activity groups have stepped up their efforts" targeting the election.

Both President Donald Trump and Democrat Joe Biden's campaigns are in the cyber-raiders' sights.

Russian hackers from the Strontium group have targeted more than 200 organisations, many of which are linked to US political parties - both Republicans and Democrats, Microsoft said in a statement.

The same attackers also targeted British political parties, said Microsoft, without specifying which ones.

Strontium is also known as Fancy Bear, a cyber-attack unit allegedly affiliated with Russia's GRU military intelligence service.

Russia and China have denied the reports. On Friday Dmitry Peskov, a spokesman for President Vladimir Putin, said the Kremlin had never tried to interfere in other countries' elections.

Chinese foreign ministry spokesman Zhao Lijian said Microsoft "should not make accusations against China out of nothing".

What else did Microsoft say?

"Similar to what we observed in 2016, Strontium is launching campaigns to harvest people's log-in credentials or compromise their accounts, presumably to aid in intelligence gathering or disruption operations," said Tom Burt, a Microsoft vice-president in charge of customer security and trust.

Most of the cyber-attacks had not been successful, according to Microsoft.

"What we've seen is consistent with previous attack patterns that not only target candidates and campaign staffers but also those they consult on key issues," Mr Burt said.

"These activities highlight the need for people and organisations involved in the political process to take advantage of free and low-cost security tools to protect themselves."

Microsoft also reported that Chinese groups had launched attacks on the personal email accounts of people affiliated with the Biden campaign, as well as "at least one prominent individual formerly associated with the Trump Administration".

China, Russia and Iran 'undermining' US election

"Prominent individuals" in the international affairs community, academic institutions and policy organisations were also said to have been targeted by a Chinese hacking group known as Zirconium.

An Iranian group known as Phosphorus had unsuccessfully sought to access accounts of White House officials and Mr Trump's campaign staff between May and June of this year, Microsoft added.

The firm was unable to determine the aims of the Russian, Chinese and Iranian hackers. In June Google also said it had detected cyber-hack attempts by China and Iran.

Trump campaign deputy press secretary Thea McDonald said: "We are a large target, so it is not surprising to see malicious activity directed at the campaign or our staff."

A Biden campaign official said: "We have known from the beginning of our campaign that we would be subject to such attacks and we are prepared for them."

The report comes a day after a whistleblower at the US Department of Homeland Security alleged he was put under pressure to downplay the threat of Russian interference in the US as it "made the president look bad".

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-54110457

Sadly it's gotten to the point we have to depend on Microsoft to tell us when foreign governments are interfering in our election process.

Treasury Department says Ukrainian linked to Rudy Giuliani is 'Russian agent'

ABC News
JACK DATE and JOHN SANTUCCI
ABC NewsSeptember 11, 2020

The man the Treasury Department called "an active Russian agent for over a decade," met with President Donald Trump's personal attorney Rudy Giuliani to dig up dirt on former Vice President Joe Biden.

Andrii Derkach, a member of the Ukrainian Parliament, and three other Russian-linked individuals were designated, Thursday, by Treasury's Office of Foreign Assets Control, for attempting to influence the U.S. electoral process.

"Andrii Derkach and other Russian agents employ manipulation and deceit to attempt to influence elections in the United States and elsewhere around the world," Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin said in a statement.

Last November, Derkach appeared with Giuliani as part of a One America News (OAN) "investigation" that aired in December, the same week the House of Judiciary Committee approved articles of impeachment against the president.

Giuliani appears on-camera seated at a table with Derkach for an interview with OAN reporter Chanel Rion in what Giuliani calls their first meeting, which, according to OAN, lasted more than three hours.

"This interview is being conducted by OAN… an American network, journalistic organization," Giuliani explains in the OAN piece. "My role, you should understand, I don't represent the government, I am President Trump's private attorney, so my role throughout, going back over a year, before I had met you,(referring to Derkach), is to try to get the facts about Ukrainian collusion, Ukrainian corruption, that interfered in the 2017, um 2016 election."

Giuliani goes on to say, "My goal here is just one simple goal and that is to defend the President of the United States individually against the original false charges of Russian collusion and now the false charges with regards to his conversations with President Zelenskiy," referring to the call between Trump and the Ukrainian president, which by then had become the focus of the impeachment inquiry.

But, in his effort to defend Trump against allegations of Russian collusion in the 2016 election, Giuliani, wittingly or unwittingly, met with someone the Trump administration would later designate a Russian agent who was actively trying to influence the 2020 election.

The OAN documentary said that Derkach provided Giuliani and OAN with access to hundreds of pages of documents related to the former vice president, his son, Hunter Biden, and allegations about Burisma, the energy company that Hunter Biden served as a board member.

Giuliani, in a statement to ABC News, said Derkach did provide him with information about "unaccounted for foreign aid," but that "all the rest of the information he gave us we had already gotten months earlier from other witnesses and documents."

Giuliani said in a statement to the New York Times, and confirmed by ABC News, that he had "no reason to believe [Derkach] is a Russian agent. There is nothing I saw that said he was a Russian agent. There is nothing he gave me that seemed to come from Russia at all."

Authorities say this past spring, Derkach released a series of heavily edited audio recordings designed to interfere with the U.S. presidential race. Some of those recordings were an apparent attempt to smear the Bidens.

"Derkach has directly or indirectly engaged in, sponsored, concealed, or otherwise been complicit in foreign interference in an attempt to undermine the upcoming 2020 U.S. presidential election," a Treasury Department press release said.

Under the Treasury designation, Americans are prohibited from engaging in transactions with Derkach, and any property he has that is subject to U.S. jurisdiction is blocked.

The Justice Department, Thursday, also brought wire fraud and conspiracy charges against three Russian nationals allegedly involved in election interference operations connected to the Internet Research Agency (IRA). The IRA was previously charged in the Special Counsel investigation into Russian election interference led by Robert Mueller.


https://www.yahoo.com/gma/treasury-department-says-ukrainian-linked-043030662.html

j/c

Here's something that...you know...actually happened.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/republicans-demand-answers-on-muellers-team-wiping-phones

How to wipe your phone or tablet before you sell it

https://www.cnet.com/how-to/how-to-wipe-your-phone-or-tablet-before-selling/

Here is how to wipe your personal data from a mobile device the right way before trading up to a new model.

Lexy Savvides
Dec. 4, 2017 5:00 a.m. PT
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Trading in or selling your old mobile device? Wipe it the right way to reduce the risk of personal data falling into the wrong hands.

Remember that no method apart from physically destroying the device and its storage is 100 percent foolproof -- data may still be recoverable with the right tools.

These tips are for the three main mobile operating systems, but if you have an older phone or an alternate OS, check the manual for full details on how to wipe your device.

READ ON WILLIE...

"Wiping your phone"..IT IS A COMMON PRACTICE, recommended, instructions in your manual.

It's what criminals do when they have nothing else. They try to make accusations in the other direction for something that isn't criminal at all in order to distract away from criminal activity. "Yeah but this sounds suspicious so let's try and make it out to be something whether there's any evidence to support that or not."

On one hand we have Guliani working with a known active Russian agent.

On the flip side we have , "Yeah but some other people wiped their phones!"

You would think with all of the foreign election interference people might think wiping your data would be a good thing to keep from being hacked. But nah...

So what crime is it to wipe your phone? Do you think you should leave personal information on your phone for hackers? Once again, you're trying to throw darts at a dart board wearing a blindfold here. Anything other than accusations with no substance? Yeah, that's what I thought.

Trump's Rigged Election Cries Are Right Out Of Kremlin Playbook, Warns Ex-Intel Official

HuffPost
Mary Papenfuss
HuffPostSeptember 14, 2020

President Donald Trump’s repeated complaints that the presidential election is rigged dovetails perfectly with Russia’s strategy for creating chaos and voter confusion in the U.S., a former top intelligence official warned Sunday.

“That message that you can’t trust our system, that you can’t trust the vote, that you can’t trust the other party — that you can’t trust — is exactly what the Russians, particularly, hope to achieve,” said Sue Gordon, former deputy director of national intelligence.

“Their aim would be to sow the divisions and to get Americans to say, ‘You know what? It’s not worth it. I can’t trust it. We’re not going to vote,‘” Gordon noted on CBS’ “Face the Nation.”

Trump has a particular responsibility to instill trust in the election, Gordon said.

“I’m going to always hold the president more responsible than anybody else because he’s, well, the president, and his voice carries further, speaks louder,” Gordon said.

Despite Trump’s repeated cries of election fraud and U.S. intelligence showing that Russia, China, Iran and other foreign interests are working to influence the 2020 vote, Gordon declared that the nation’s election infrastructure is “as well protected as it’s ever been.”

Gordon said she believes that the “most significant strategic threat to America is if we end up not believing in ourselves — and I’ve shared this with the president.”

https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/trump-rigged-election-russia-sue-gordon-115211175.html

The rigged election is right out of the kleptocracy playbook ... it was mentioned in the podcast I mentioned. And as someone else quoted the other day - Trump and his machine is very Orwellian at the moment.

Exactly.

I wipe and/or factory restore broken/aged company devices before I dispose of them. In the case of PCs I remove and reformat the hard drives, then remove and destroy them.

We then offer the PC to employees for free, minus the hard drive. If they bring a hard drive in, I will even make time to install it and re-install the windows software for them.

I thought Trump was trying to hush this up so no-one knows how much effort is being made by Russia to re-elect Trump. I mean, a rationale person might wonder why, but probably better to sweep this under the rug right?

jc

U.S. Admits That Congressman Offered Pardon to Assange If He Covered Up Russia Links

The Daily Beast
Jamie Ross,The Daily Beast•September 18, 2020
Reuters/Henry Nicholls


LONDON—Lawyers representing the United States at Julian Assange’s extradition trial in Britain have accepted the claim that the WikiLeaks founder was offered a presidential pardon by a congressman on the condition that he would help cover up Russia’s involvement in hacking emails from the Democratic National Committee.

Jennifer Robinson, a lawyer, told the court that she had attended a meeting between Assange, then Republican Congressman Dana Rohrabacher, and pro-Trump troll Charles Johnson at Assange’s hide-out, the Ecuadorian embassy in London, on August 15, 2017.

Robinson said the two Americans claimed to be emissaries from Washington and “wanted us to believe they were acting on behalf of the president.” The pair allegedly told Assange that they could help grant him a pardon in exchange for him revealing information about the source of the WikiLeaks information that proved it was not the Russians who hacked Democratic emails.

“They stated that President Trump was aware of and had approved of them coming to meet with Mr. Assange to discuss a proposal—and that they would have an audience with the president to discuss the matter on their return to Washington, D.C.,” Robinson said.

The White House has denied that Trump took part in any such plan.

The claim itself is not new—Assange’s lawyers previewed the allegation in a pre-trial hearing in February—but this is the first time Robinson’s testimony has been heard in full. The WikiLeaks lawyer said Rohrabacher offered Assange the deal a year after emails that damaged Hillary Clinton in the presidential race had been published, when the Russia investigation was gathering pace. The stolen DNC emails posted by WikiLeaks were hacked by Russian operatives.

After Robinson read her testimony in a London courtroom on Friday, lawyers representing the U.S. accepted the witness statement as accurate and confirmed they had no intention of cross-examining the claim. They did dispute, however, that President Donald Trump gave his blessing for the pardon offer.

James Lewis, who was representing the U.S. government, said, “The position of the government is we don't contest these things were said. We obviously do not accept the truth of what was said by others.”

Rohrabacher, who was known as Putin’s favorite congressman, partially corroborated the claim back in February, saying at the time, “I spoke to Julian Assange and told him if he would provide evidence about who gave WikiLeaks the emails I would petition the president to give him a pardon... He knew I could get to the president.”

Rohrabacher said he followed up the meeting by calling then White House chief of staff John Kelly to discuss the pardon. However, the ex-congressman said he never spoke to Trump about it.

Regardless, Assange turned the offer down, his lawyers said.

Assange has argued that he should not be extradited to the U.S. because the American case against him is politically motivated. He spent almost seven years hiding in the Ecuadorian embassy in Central London, claiming that he would be jailed in the U.S. if he wasn’t granted asylum. He was kicked out of the embassy last year.

If Assange fails in his fight against extradition to the U.S., he will face 18 charges including conspiracy to commit computer intrusion, which, his defense argues, could result in a prison sentence of 175 years.


https://www.yahoo.com/news/u-admits-putin-favorite-congressman-121215555.html

j/c...

I wonder why we see these reports all the time and yet China, which has much more influence in America than Russia does, is allowed to pollute America w/out any resistance?

Let’s talk about China in a Russian collusion thread LOL. Typical voice of the GOP’ers.

Do you happen to have an example or report explaining what you mean? I mean the Chinese have their hands in everything around the world, so I am not denying it probably happened, but there are reports from our own government showing that the Russians activity are trying to influence the elections, and I have not seen the same for the Chinese, though it is probable.

I think in general their aims are different.

China Owns a Lot of US Debt - and makes a lot of money of money via trade surpluses with the USA. They want the USA to be very stable -- and they don't want to induce chaos in the US election system. They "win" via the competitive advantage of being table to treat 3/4 of their population like crap.

Russia - Mostly competes with the US for economic control of Eastern Europe. They feel more directly threatened by NATO activity, and would like to disrupt US/EU relations. They have a lot of incentive to sow disorder and induce chaos into the US election system.


I'm not saying that China doesn't exert influence in the US (including by manipulating social media etc.) But they are going to do so to their own ends (for example, fighting to prevent NBA players from speaking out about Chinese human rights abuses).

But China has a much smaller incentive to directly interfere in US elections.

China's goal is more to be an economic power by overwhelming us economically. They are investing in infrastructure all over Africa in exchange for trade and the opportunity to exploit their great wealth of resources. And they have been successful at it.

Russia by contrast knows that from a military standpoint they're too weak to confront us. So their method is to break America down from the inside. To create a situation where we're more divided than ever. To where Americans no longer trust our institutions and the democratic process. As such they have been supporting the very person they feel will help achieve such goals. And he has.

I think that was an accurate characterization of China up until very recently. I think they're moving in a direction where they won't be so dependent on the US, economically.

If you are going to plagiarize General McMaster, at least give him credit.

H.R. McMaster: It's tougher, you know. It's tougher because our economies are intertwined in a way that gives tremendous coercive power to the Chinese Communist Party. I describe their approach as co-option. Co-opt us in with the lure of access to their market and short-term profits. And then coerce us. Coerce us to adhere to their worldview and to make concessions that allow them to achieve competitive advantage against us.

Scott Pelley: What do we misunderstand about Russia?

H.R. McMaster: Whereas China wants to harness its strength and create exclusionary areas of primacy and challenge America, Russia knows it's too weak to do that. What Putin wants to do is, he wants to drag all of us down, right? He wants to polarize us, pit us against each other, reduce our confidence in our democratic principles and institutions and processes.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/h-r-mcmaste...tes-2020-09-20/

Gopers....Mission accomplished.

It’s all about China.

The fact that anyone with an ounce of common sense can see what's going on isn't that hard to comprehend. Some of us have been saying this for a very long time. If you had been willing to dig your head out of the sand you would have been saying it too.

Still, you should give credit to the person who did your common sense thinking for you.