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Thought. Somebody mentioned a 5 men on the line defense,

Well, that just puts em steps closer to the impending manhandling.

You don't have to reach the 2nd level to knock em on their backside.

The recipe doesn't change!

Were they, I didn't seem to notice.
Water under the bridge.

Can the Browns protect the Quarterback, Baker, This week vs the Colts, that may be the question,

Aw of course not, it's Run the Dang Ball !! The Recipe hasn't changed.

j/c...

Just heard on GMFB that Wyatt Teller is the highest rated Guard, through four weeks... since 2006.

Pretty crazy!

I would say that was a pretty good trade I mean Teller for what a 5th

Browns receive:

G Wyatt Teller
2021 7th round pick

Bills receive:

2020 5th round pick
2020 6th round pick

That is just a shocker to me. I have been pleased with his game thus far, but hats off to this player. Gotta work harder at being impressed with him!

Unleash The Elf!

The 5th became part of the deal for Stefon Diggs (first, fifth and sixth rounders to Minnesota)

With the 6th they drafted Tyler Bass, K, Georgia-Southern

With their original Round 5 Pick - 167 overall, they drafted QB Jake Fromm, Georgia

j/c:

I have to give a huge shout-out to the offensive line today. I get that the Bengals sold out to stop the run and dared the Browns to beat them though the air, but the OL gave Baker all day to throw almost all day long. Completely different story for Burrow.

I think our OL deserves a lot of credit and Callahan has been a huge upgrade from the dude we had last year.

Correct. Agreed.

After the Pitts game some put the blame for Baker’s bad game on the OL and play calling. It looks like the OL and play calling were big reasons for his success today. But not seeing that many putting that out there.

Well, some said last week's loss was a team loss and not a Baker loss.[I actually agree w/this.]

Then, they said that Baker put the team on his shoulders and won this game. [I don't agree that others didn't help win this game.]

Double standards by fans who care more for Baker than the Browns as a team.

For the way our team is constructed, I think this is going to be the closest we'll ever get to any 1 person 'putting the team on their shoulders'.


I'm really impressed how Baker turned it around mid-game. Obviously, he had help (football is a team sport... hate how this has to be said in order to avoid the 'agenda' tag), but Baker's mental toughness was on display in order to flip things around from a disastrous start.

This shows how little pressure the line gave up. An awesome job by everyone!

That second play to Hunt counts as a completion...? :-/


Baker was definitely given easier throws early on, but those definitely gave way to more difficult playcalls and throws. That's a testament to both Baker and Stefanski.

Who said this?
Oh - that's right. No-body.

Man, that long play to Higgins that set up the game winner...

Bengals rushed 6 initially and did a delayed blitz bringing it up to 7 and Mayfield had a clean pocket. Kudos to the OL on that one. Obviously, kudos to Mayfield too for putting it in a good spot.

I think I read somewhere that Hubbard when he's not filling in at RG, frequently comes in as a blocking TE. So for those jumbo running plays, Teller being out actually weakens two spots.

We definitely miss Teller, but I have been watching Hubbard and he is doing a good job. He is ranked 13th of 77 guards by PFF.

The weak link on the line has been Wills. He is ranked 66th out of 74 OT's. With that said, the OL has done an outstanding job this year. As has been noted before, teams are stacking the box against the Browns to stop the run because of the early-season success Cleveland had at running the ball. It seems that sometimes the Browns can exploit that like they did in the second Bengal game and sometimes they can't, like the Steeler and Raider games.

That's literally the difference between our wins and losses: teams that our OLine match up well against, we've won. The ones we haven't, we've lost. It's for a myriad of reasons, and it gets compounded when the QB makes a bad decision/throw or a receiver drops one that hits 'em in the hands.. .but, for this offense it boils down to one simple truth: when we cannot run it effectively, we bog down.

Now, we actually had some success running against the Raiders, but we threw it all away every time we got something going simply by dropping a ball or committing a penalty. I have not sat down and tracked it, but I would bet money that every single drive of ours that did not end in points was killed by one of those two things. We simply just reverted to Browns'ing it up, and the weather was all too happy to amplify the consequences of that.

How much is Teller and how much is having the 6th man be Hubbard vs a TE?

I guess it doesn't matter, because unless Teller is there, we don't have the option of Hubbard as the 6th.

True.

It's probably both. Carlson has been...less than stellar when lining up in-line (in his defense, it's not really something we can ask Njoku to do when Bryant has been handling TE1 reps).

I think Teller has been great. I was talking about how good he looked after week 1. But, Hubbard has been good as well. Not as good as Teller, but way above average.

Again, I think the biggest difference is we are facing more 7 or more boxes than any team in the league. I doubt that was the case early on and we exploited it. Now, we need to exploit the D w/the passing game. If we can do that, I think the running lanes will emerge again.

Makes sense to me, Vers. One truism of martial arts is that your opponent cannot be strong in every way and in every direction at once. If the box overloads, something else should work elsewhere. Hope we are trying to take advantage of the obvious as you stated it. But if we are not doing it, those overloads will never stop in the second half of the season.

Bottom line is no lead is safe with this defense as played currently. Berry seemed to avoid the issue.

Hmmm... they cannot be strong in every way in every direction, but they only need to be strong enough in some directions. If they can stop the run and pressure the QB, that's 2/3rds of everything right there.

Think you have it, Grasshopper! The trick is knowing which way they are selling out to strength. You sacrifice something to gain that extra. Like dropping nine, you sacrifice the blitz and your run defense.

This is where Baker now has to show he can take the next step and be the passer we expect him to be. If he can exploit the D playing 7 or 8 in the box our O, when healthy, will be as difficult to stop as any. Its up to him and our O coaches now.

an news on teller?

I hope he plays against the Texans ...

Isn't his run-blocking grade like 55, though?

Just playing around. I'd rather have a tackle who can pass block. Run blocking should come with an off-season strength and conditioning boost.

Has to limit those penalties, though.

I am shocked at how good Wills has been and he has been about average. Switching positions with no off-season camps while being a rookie is difficult and he has done it pretty seamlessly. I look forward to his future development.

He played right tackle in high school. He’s only ever played right tackle. It’s a different position.

Being the QB's blindside doesn't impact much for him.

As you mentioned, the left foot is now the drop step, but also his left hand is in the dirt.

In some ways, the run blocking might be harder to adjust.

Clearly, preconceived notions are changing in the NFL. This is no different.

That's what I was getting at. The reason the LT was such a coveted position, was because it protected the blind side of the QB. He was already doing that.

Now that teams finally move their best DE around, this will matter even less.

If I am playing chess I would always line my best player up against their worst. Coaches never considered doing that. Not sure why?